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Author Topic: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric  (Read 409411 times)

Slovenia

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HELP!!
« Reply #180 on: March 19, 2011, 11:26:38 AM »
We're cooking with gas now but some other ideas would be helpful.
« Last Edit: March 19, 2011, 02:21:55 PM by Slovenia »

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Power To Be Questions Answered (from March 18, 2011)
« Reply #181 on: March 19, 2011, 12:12:18 PM »
I figured it out!!


Power To Be Questions from yesterday (Posed March 18, 2011)

1.) What material and geometry exhibits excellent acoustic harmonic qualities?
Use this for your atomizing chamber!!

Response:
The atomizing chamber must be in the shape of an acoustic horn and the material used must be brass.

2.) How do you adhere crystals to other surfaces?

Response:
Water proof epoxy

3.) How do you harvest ultrasonic waves, what shape or geometry should you make the collector?

Response:
The receiver, collector, must be in the shape of a bowl.  I noticed the bowls at the top of Power1's diagram and they really puzzled me.  Well, I finally figured out what they were and why they were there.  So, the zinc crystals are not in the water at all but coated on the inside of the bowls at the top of the cell.


Recap:

The transducers are at the bottom of the cell and there are two of them one on each side spaced accordingly.  They are aimed at the bowls, collectors, at the top of the cell.  The bowls are coated with the zinc crystals.  So, the water is atomized at the bottom of the cell with the transducers and they are harmonically aimed with a brass acoustical horn at the bowls, collectors, at the top of the cell.  So, guys we have it.

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Thanks You!!!
« Reply #182 on: March 19, 2011, 12:13:50 PM »
Thank you Power To Be for making me use my brain!!!  I really do appreciate it.  I'd forgotten I had one.

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Acoustic Horn & Receiver Relationship (Power1's Diagram)
« Reply #183 on: March 19, 2011, 02:11:15 PM »
Acoustic Horn & Receiver Relationship (Power1's Diagram)

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Power To Be 12 Volt Fan Query
« Reply #184 on: March 19, 2011, 02:20:11 PM »
Hi Power To Be,

What is the 12 volt fan for.  I've been meaning to ask about that.  I see it shown on top of your cell diagram.  Thanks!!

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Slovenia

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #185 on: March 19, 2011, 03:02:21 PM »
Wow Solvenia thats awesome thinking!  I missed the splash guards completely.  When I put the crystals into the water something didnt seem right though.  The reaction just seemed to slow to a crawl.  So when the fog comes into contact with the crystals it turns to HHO.  It does this by tapping or bumping into the crystals producing a voltage which in turn causes the fog to become HHO.  Is there anything you guys want me to do or look into further?  I have a friend who is an electrical engineer too. 

Chris

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Electrical Engineer
« Reply #186 on: March 19, 2011, 04:03:45 PM »
Hi Superman,

I think we are getting very close to being ready to do some experimenting.  There are a few loose ends still though that we need to tie up.

#1)  Best easy crystal oscillator circuit for the job.  Power says to only use old ones that were discussed in old books and not from anywhere else.  So, we still need to research that out.  There are a lot of circuits out there but we need the right one, (i.e.: something old and simple that works).

#2)  Easy cheap way to get our voltage for the cell to 36 volts.  There are some really good adjustable transformers and Peter Lindemann has an interesting voltage doubler circuit.  I'm still playing with all this.

#3)  What's the fan for that's shown on top of Power's cell?

Any outside assistance would be much appreciated.

I've got some interesting designs for pvc cells which I'll propose shortly.

Best Regards,
Slovenia




Wow Solvenia thats awesome thinking!  I missed the splash guards completely.  When I put the crystals into the water something didnt seem right though.  The reaction just seemed to slow to a crawl.  So when the fog comes into contact with the crystals it turns to HHO.  It does this by tapping or bumping into the crystals producing a voltage which in turn causes the fog to become HHO.  Is there anything you guys want me to do or look into further?  I have a friend who is an electrical engineer too. 

Chris

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #187 on: March 19, 2011, 04:35:12 PM »
I think the fan is for recirculating the fog and creating turbulence in the chamber.  The fog always tends to stay low cause its heavier than air.  Did you try creating fog yet?  This is what I observed.

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #188 on: March 19, 2011, 06:02:58 PM »
Thanks Slovenia for sharing your attempts of deciphering Power's clues. I definitely need yours and others help with this guessing game. I for one don't know how the effective US frequency's travel, whether they can still be effective outside the water, or outside of the direct path of the disks? Your idea is interesting and for all i know may be spot on? I'm going to try to simply coat the inside diameter of a copper pipe with the US disk at the bottom. Then testing it with stock frequency (because changing the frequency is beyond my knowledge and abilities).

FWIW
The these US Foggers do a lot of splashing, and a bowl like splash guards are sold here. http://www.mainlandmart.com/foggers.html

They also sell a controllers, I wonder if those controllers change the frequency?

I bought a different type of US fogger.   I wonder if it runs on a different frequency. If someone in the US has a way of testing the frequency of these things, i can send you one of mine to test if you would like you can PM me. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180603160113&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #189 on: March 19, 2011, 07:11:33 PM »

@All, thank you for your continued efforts.
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superman
there are many transducers, just make sure it is submersible and cxan operate above 43khz.

You can buy small lots from taobao.com, use a translator to search. In their electronic component section you can find transducer, complete circuits, professional high frequency drivers etc for less than 20% or less of listed price in the US. You can buy from several different vendors and have a Broker concile shipment into 1 lot to save lots$$ on shipping.
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Slovenia,
The DC fan was a quick approcah to moving fog for water injection, not practical due to auto operating conditions but gives a demo of how to move fog out. Ionic air or electric wind is much more feasible. HHO will freely flow out of the chamber but you still need to move atomize fog to help in cooling of ICE.

For circuit, you dont need anything fancy, the Nebulizer circuit will work and you can put one together with readily available parts.
In Sonochemistry, the higher the frequency, the higher the effeciency lowering wattage. This is easily done by increasing voltage alone. 

Acoustic dissociation of water wil cease at higher frequency above few mhz. If you employ electric wind or ion influence, other effects occurs too.
Brass is a great material, optimal effeciency can be utilized at a later stage to fine tune performance and scale down the device into a smaller size.
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RAD
You can dissociate water effeciently with ultrasonic alone, ZnO amplifies effect dramatically lowering input energy, Ion influence will also dissociate atomized water alone at extreme effeciency.

Sonoluminescence in water is also possible where acoustic wave is turned into light, these effects reflects cold fusion properties or may be the same thing!.
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Romo,
You have a small window to harvest moon dew of Ormes, don't let this one pass.
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fishman,
coat the copper pipe with ZnO and mount piezo on the bottom of pipe. ZnO works best when in contact with water.

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Fan
« Reply #190 on: March 19, 2011, 07:18:56 PM »
No, I haven't built anything yet.  I've been in the alternate fuel business about seven or so years now and wasted a lot of money on projects that didn't pan out, so I'm a lot more cautious now.  I do feel very good about this project.  My gut tells me this is the real deal and that's why I have spent so much time with it.  I also believe that Power1 will show us more stuff if we show him some action, activity, on his cell and I do plan to do that soon.  I got my powder yesterday and should get my ammonium hydroxide by Tuesday of next week.  I don't have my stirring sticks yet.  I've been designing my cells.  I've been utilizing some techniques Romo shared with us about a week back on contacting the higher self.  I think I am starting to see some positive results.  Thanks Romo.  Anyway, I saw the fan on the top of Power1's diagram and noticed that I hadn't heard any explanation of a fan.  There are some other components talked about though that are not shown in the diagram.  We are getting really close guys.  I think we are going to see some very positive results shortly and then Power1 will open another door for us.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

I think the fan is for recirculating the fog and creating turbulence in the chamber.  The fog always tends to stay low cause its heavier than air.  Did you try creating fog yet?  This is what I observed.

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Acoustic Horn & Receiver
« Reply #191 on: March 19, 2011, 07:23:38 PM »
The acoustic horn needs to be made out of brass and I think of fairly thin material.  The configuration of the horn needs to be just so I'm thinking also.  I also think the   bowl receivers need to be made of brass also.  Anyway, I'm thinking that the bowl needs to be able to vibrate too.  The bowl is pure speculation on my part at this juncture.  I will probably try something else first and then experiment with the brass bowls later.  There are a lot of brass bowls available from India and they are fairly inexpensive.

I may be wrong on the bowl material.

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Re: Acoustic Horn & Receiver
« Reply #192 on: March 19, 2011, 07:39:12 PM »
The acoustic horn needs to be made out of brass and I think of fairly thin material.  The configuration of the horn needs to be just so I'm thinking also.  I also think the   bowl receivers need to be made of brass also.  Anyway, I'm thinking that the bowl needs to be able to vibrate too.  The bowl is pure speculation on my part at this juncture.  I will probably try something else first and then experiment with the brass bowls later.  There are a lot of brass bowls available from India and they are fairly inexpensive.

I may be wrong on the bowl material.
There are many fascinating things you can do with Brass in acoustic cavitation!. The sky is not the limit, water has many many phases. For the water fuel project, simple atomizing ultrasonic chamber  will work just fine. For Home power,  water sonoluminescence is extreme power!.

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Thanks Power To Be!!
« Reply #193 on: March 19, 2011, 07:40:29 PM »
Thanks Power To Be for your quick response back to us.  We really appreciate you hanging in there with us.  Thanks Very Much!!


Slovenia,
The DC fan was a quick approcah to moving fog for water injection, not practical due to auto operating conditions but gives a demo of how to move fog out. Ionic air or electric wind is much more feasible. HHO will freely flow out of the chamber but you still need to move atomize fog to help in cooling of ICE.

For circuit, you dont need anything fancy, the Nebulizer circuit will work and you can put one together with readily available parts.
In Sonochemistry, the higher the frequency, the higher the effeciency lowering wattage. This is easily done by increasing voltage alone. 

Acoustic dissociation of water wil cease at higher frequency above few mhz. If you employ electric wind or ion influence, other effects occurs too.
Brass is a great material, optimal effeciency can be utilized at a later stage to fine tune performance and scale down the device into a smaller size.


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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #194 on: March 19, 2011, 09:42:22 PM »
a good read on water sonoluminescence.
http://gutengroup.mcb.arizona.edu/Publications/Gutenkunst2002.pdf

ultrasonic waves can be concentrated wth horns etc, and reciever such as tuning fork amplifies effect. ion influence accelerates implosion effect.