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Title: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on May 23, 2006, 12:55:24 AM
I work with images, when I see a screwed up one I unscrew it. In this case I wanted to know what Mars really looks like. Look just below the camera. (Thought I should share.) What do you think? Is that water?
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: hartiberlin on May 24, 2006, 01:29:26 PM
Hmm, did you color correct this picture ?
Maybe these are just rocks and as you changed the color
it now looks like ice or water... ??
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 04, 2006, 02:28:15 PM
I sent you a couple of samples of my work (just to show I am an artist). I had no idea what I was going to get, I didn't even look at the results until after I finished. They really shouldn't try to pass off a picture with a filter outside of the visible light range and expect to get away with it. The package of prints this pic came with also included pics from the droid which after the filter change shows the amount of misadjustment.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: mikestocks2006 on June 05, 2006, 03:05:18 AM
A selection of images from the Mars probes
http://home.gci.net/~wmgregg/mars.htm#head

The ob_22_reull_v2 is very interesting.


Also the following is a must see.
A very high resolution 5.9 meg.
E1001841.gif
http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/e07_e12/full_gif_non_map/E10/E1001841.gif
http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/e07_e12/images/E10/E1001841.html

Take a look at the borders of darker to lighter areas what does it look like? Those who are familiar with aerial photography high altitude here on earth may have a better appreciation of this pic. Use your picture program and magnify...
Enjoy.


Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: hartiberlin on June 09, 2006, 12:44:59 PM
You can do lots of tricks with image filters, so you can only tell,
if it is rocks or ice, if you have a spectral calibrated camera and know
how ice is showing up on it normally.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: schriss on June 11, 2006, 06:18:24 PM
Earth is blue when viewed from space, is everything blue down here? They are making fools out of us.
Real colors of Mars, more here: http://www.enterprisemission.com/spirit2.htm

(http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/Spirit/mercolor.jpg)
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 12, 2006, 08:02:47 PM
Really cool thank you, I don't feel alone in the world anymore. I did it different, I think I'm within 5% or divided between 3 colors 1 and 2/3 % off of the right colors. In other words if you were standing there with this picture printed it would look right.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: hartiberlin on June 14, 2006, 06:40:15 PM
Did you try to color correct the picture from Mars again to let it show again the yellow cable color?
What does then the surface look alike ?

BTW, here is an interesting new movie, okay, it is from Disney, so they
probably also have it with wrong colors and lots of animations only,
but here you can download at least a few HDTV clips:

http://www.apple.com/trailers/disney/rovingmars/hd/
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: hartiberlin on June 14, 2006, 07:11:29 PM
Okay, I have tried to color correct this upper picture,
so Mars probably looks more like this.
See the attachment.
You must be logged into the forum to see the picture !

Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: schriss on June 14, 2006, 07:26:36 PM
They already did that at: http://www.enterprisemission.com/spirit2.htm
It looks like a desert. They (NASA) make it look red, acid, hostile, no need to go there. But they keep sending drones there silently, they know there is plenty of artefacts and possibly burried technology to be found on Mars.

(http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/Spirit/SPIRIT-color.jpg)
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: TheOne on June 15, 2006, 06:15:49 AM
I tryed and i got this version, looking similar to the real image, the wire is yellow with blue stuff at the extrimity, and you see the sky look more blue :)

Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: hartiberlin on June 17, 2006, 12:21:54 AM
Well, how did you filter the image ?
Just the HUE ?

It probably depends also on the atmosphere as it
will filter out already a few spectral lines of the sun due to the red color of the atmosphere,
so maybe this is why all colors look wrong ?

But anyway, the most important thing wouldn?t be the color,
but to put a few plants there, so that we can generate oxygen and
thus have an atmosphere, where humans can breath, so if the sun
gets too hot here on earth, the humans can go to Mars and live there...

I hope, that the Mars observer probes had already a few plants
microorganism with it, so these will spread and produce oxygen...
probably the people at NASA will not tell us this, cause it probably would
be a secret...
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 22, 2006, 05:40:40 PM
Take a look at European mission pictures of mars. The atmosphere is blue. The U.S. is lying, the first time the Question was answered, a scientist said they used the wrong color and adjusted the color to make it look more like mars. I had a whole bunch of airbrushed pictures of the moon, that I lost. I am looking for them again, they are hiding the facts. I am sure they are hiding artifacts, you could see the edges of them. Why are they spending millions airbrushing and modifying pictures if they are not. The moon pics were done a long time ago, they were done poorly. You could see edges of artifacts. In the past I imagine we were up there and maybe on mars too. The U.S. is willing to stand between us and anything that would give us freedom. Like I said check the European Pics.
The other corrected picture here is closer to the truth than what NASA gave you.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: TheOne on June 22, 2006, 08:35:49 PM
Well, how did you filter the image ?
Just the HUE ?

It probably depends also on the atmosphere as it
will filter out already a few spectral lines of the sun due to the red color of the atmosphere,
so maybe this is why all colors look wrong ?

But anyway, the most important thing wouldn?t be the color,
but to put a few plants there, so that we can generate oxygen and
thus have an atmosphere, where humans can breath, so if the sun
gets too hot here on earth, the humans can go to Mars and live there...

I hope, that the Mars observer probes had already a few plants
microorganism with it, so these will spread and produce oxygen...
probably the people at NASA will not tell us this, cause it probably would
be a secret...

i used 2 filters, i dont remember which one, from photoshop i used (Curves.. and another one )

sorry i will need to re experiment to get same transformation :)
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: mikestocks2006 on June 22, 2006, 09:18:01 PM
Take a look at European mission pictures of mars. The atmosphere is blue. The U.S. is lying, the first time the Question was answered, a scientist said they used the wrong color and adjusted the color to make it look more like mars. I had a whole bunch of airbrushed pictures of the moon, that I lost. I am looking for them again, they are hiding the facts. I am sure they are hiding artifacts, you could see the edges of them. Why are they spending millions airbrushing and modifying pictures if they are not. The moon pics were done a long time ago, they were done poorly. You could see edges of artifacts. In the past I imagine we were up there and maybe on mars too. The U.S. is willing to stand between us and anything that would give us freedom. Like I said check the European Pics.
The other corrected picture here is closer to the truth than what NASA gave you.

Yes, according to one of the senior persons from NASA reporting in the Disclosure Project, ( I posted video link earlier ) The pics are "sanitized" from any indication of extraterrestrial presence, remains, artifacts etc. before they are released to the general public.
The readers here may want to take a look at the following video, regarding the moon...

The Dark Side of the Moon
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3288261061829859642&q=Dark+side+of+the+moon

Watch and draw your own conclusions.
Enjoy.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: schriss on June 22, 2006, 09:31:02 PM
I agree. I also believe there are wonders on every planet/moon waiting to discover, I have also seen mars pictures where you could see effects of airbrushing (I work with graphics utilities myself, which helps to notice those things).
(http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/Spirit/coverup.jpg)

I'm very glad I don't live in US. It's not just what you believe in, it's possible to affect people on global scale, make them "don't care", don't ask questions, turn into sheeps in other words.
For those interested:
http://educate-yourself.org/mc/
But there is so much more.

Anyway, I believe there are space missions we are not told about.

Getting back to Mars colors: there is an article "NASA Is Not Altering Mars Colors.", it talks about hardware used by NASA, filters and other stuff. But still, I can't imagine how would it not be possible to show real colors. They say its not possible.
http://www.atsnn.com/story/30048.html
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: IcyBlue on June 28, 2006, 08:10:53 PM
One can not just take a infrared image and say, 'red or infrared, who cares ?' and use the IR image as red plane of a RGB image. You will always end up with a pseudo color image. If you then 'color correct' the pseudo color image just to match the color of a certain part, you will end up with something that is no step closer to the truth than the false origin.

They had a green plane in the cam, and yet the image is not green. So believe it or not, the mars is not green. A green planet does not make a red spot on the night sky.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: schriss on June 28, 2006, 08:53:27 PM
No matter what, they COULD take some ordinary pics with simple digital camera we use everyday, with no stupid filters or infrared, couldn't they?

And yes, green planet does not make red spot, just like earth, which makes blue spot, is not all blue. Yet on NASA pics everything is red, sky, ground, even rocks so it looks more "hellish", toxic, no-life-there, not-friendly-environment, etc.

Anyway, ESA at least shows true color images in addition to false color and 3D, so it's not that hard:
http://www.esa.int/esaMI/Mars_Express/

an example of high res true color:
http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/marsexpress/269-2803066co-ApollinarisP_H.jpg
it is NOT insanely red as nasa pics. It looks like the desert, like we would expect it to look like.

they even offer 39MB High Res TIFF, not bad at all!

And here is the FAQ on colors:
Quote
Are the colour photographs processed?

Yes, the images have been processed but that is quite normal. We are not taking colour photographs, we have to combine the different colour channels which requires processing time. Each of the four colour channels operate with a filter of different wavelength (red, green, blue and infrared) and produce data sets which have to be combined and calculated on to a digital elevation model.

The colour channels are absolutely real, but they do not reflect the true colour as we would see it with our eyes. These views can be obtained by processing the data, which does not mean ?faking? the colours, but fitting them to standard spectral curves which we know. We adjust the obtained colour image data to a standard spectral curve derived from Earth-based observations in terms of wavelength and intensity.

If we have dust, haze or other atmospheric conditions, various wavelengths get partially filtered. Obviously, images get more blurry and some colours become more dominant. Sun-exposed slopes reflect or absorb light in a different way to dark slopes or dark material (such as dark spots of possible sediments seen in some images).

The main limitation, of course, is that from orbit we do not have any colour adjustment possibilities as for example, the NASA rovers. They have colour references mounted on their rovers and even they have problems matching their colours.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on July 02, 2006, 06:09:52 AM
Speaking of airbrush, I hope this is new and fun for you, Clementine, moon, Government foolery. Hartiberlin, I know it's a big pic but let a few people download it before you delete it. Smaller it looses too much resolution, this is original size. I think the Indian government might be honorable enough to show us the truth, I hope they go there.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: schriss on July 02, 2006, 09:42:40 AM
I have followed
http://www.cmf.nrl.navy.mil/clementine/clib/
then entered Latitude: -34, Longtitude: 207
and got same result as posted above, just not magnified but blurry blocks are clearly visible.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on July 20, 2006, 06:23:16 PM
Interesting to know a cold ware spy plane had a camera resolution of 4 gigapixels and the Mars Orbiter only 1.2. They have been lying, face it you can't get the truth out of them now either. On a happy note though Venus has been a lie too, as Dr. Greer pointed out they thought they would be caught because it was so over done. How would parachutes survive in the type of atmosphere they discribed? They would never have gotten a probe on the surface. He went on to say Venus has a population nearly the same as ours. If you have seen the crop circle videos, the speaker for that group of scientists said, there is a calculable distance from a star were life will be found. In our solar system Venus, Earth, and Mars are inside this circle of life. Has the whole space program been a lie passed down to the public. After close review of the facts I think only a privledged few have access to any real data. Maybe the best thing we can do is turn our telescopes around and take a second look at Venus. If they lie to us about the moon and Mars maybe Venus is the greatest lie of all. The history of things spinning out of control and malfuntioning is beyound suspicious. The chances of damage from decayed orbits is far greater than an orbiting object breaking orbit. How can a satellite do that? Yet we hear over and over it spun out of control and now it's orbiting the sun. A rogue planet would have to pass and suck it out of orbit. They forgot to mention that part. A device in orbit is doomed to orbit untill it decays and burns up in the atmosphere or crash lands.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: hartiberlin on July 20, 2006, 06:33:03 PM
Couldn?t these blocks be broadcasting errors ?
Sometimes the transmitter signal is lost and then Bits are missing which results
in blank areas in the picture and then the NASA probably smoothes these areas to not just show a white or black area on the photo ?
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on July 20, 2006, 06:46:51 PM
Harti this picture was released as the truth. Surly they didn't airbrush it by accident. They have had airbrush artists go career and retire in the space program. They are purposely hidding information from the public. Take another look at that picture over a 1/4 of it has been airbrushed, not just the to major areas that are at first glance obvious. There is so much stuff up there they almost have nothing to release to the public at all.

 I have to mention at this point out of 700 boxes of media from Apollo 11, 697 of them are missing. I wonder what is missing from all the rest of the Lunar missions. They will hope this falls from the attention of the public. Don't forget people sweat them, they don't have the resources to airbrush it all and even if they did it would easily be exposed. They deleted all the mail sent to NASA. They think that buried it. That makes me distrust the government more than ever and I speak out against them were appropriate. This is appropriate.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on September 05, 2006, 01:23:49 PM
Here guys, like I photo'd off spectrum like the gov does, not to hide something from you though. This is to reveal something they don't want you to know. The question is what is it "exactly" The dark thing is the Moon, the light thing is energy and the red thing below it came out of the energy and came to Earth. Speculate away people.

 The original photo is availible, Email me at raburgeson@yahoo.com for it. I'll send it as a reply attachment and not anything else. You can analyse it all you want too, I have no special knowledge about what this is, your guess is as good as mine. I can tell you that the Moon has a direct relation to the shape of the energy field or to say the field seems to take on the shape of the moon because of the curvature of space by the Moon?

Look how clear and detailed the moon is, with a nothing Sony camera with no zoom on. The frequency converted for this shot was comunication sat. Wondering what a gigapixel camera and a good telescope would show us. There's a telescope that the gov doesn't control is in my area. God I don't want to waste the time building the camera. There was a guy making cameras from U2 surplus parts, I'll look for him on the net. Microwaves (the right frequencies) pass through the atmosphere undistorted. That's why the Moon looks so clear. Microwave vision and, the Sats. light it up for you without glare, isn't that nice?

I believe you can tape a Nikon onto the back of a top grade back yard telescope and beat the quality of the pictures released from NASA. Of couse you'd need a nice dark place to set up your equipement, lol.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on September 06, 2006, 11:17:21 PM
Not getting replies so I'll show you the pic that caused me to build and active filter and converter. There was a metal sphere following a plane. The plane turned to land and the sphere just hung there. Clearly visible to the eye, I photographed it and all I got in the photo was a wispy cloud that was on the top of it. It made me mad that they could hide a huge item from site so I decided to try to do something about it. The little cloud on top is in the crop below.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on October 13, 2006, 08:02:47 AM
Come on people there are artifacts on the moon, they published a success story for the impact of a mission on the moon, what did they destroy? What marvelous thing did they take away from the general population of Earth? It was planned and planned well in advance. That ship could have been dealt with with explosives and the impact of small particules would not be very damaging. We should raise hell and make sure this doesnt happen again.

Richard C. Hoagland will be on Coast to Coast soon, he has a Artifact picture that was leaked to him that will leave no doubt in your mind. Wait a few days and catch the pic, awesome.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on May 09, 2007, 11:38:36 PM
New business on Mars. You may have noticed the new projections on the amount of ice on Mars. I'm not crowing about color correction and seeing ice , I'm speculating and ask you to speculate with me. Most of Mars should be a dust, sand covering about butterscotch in color. The area in my corrected photo seems to be exposure of hard rock, a form of Martian basalt was best I can explain. This is curious and geology is not a strong point for me. If someone can ferret out what happened in this area by looking at ariel photos of the same area and clue me in so to speak, I'd deeply appreciate it. And I'll keep a sharp lookout for a disinformer jumping on this request.



 
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: devilzangel on May 13, 2007, 04:21:51 AM
Come on people there are artifacts on the moon, they published a success story for the impact of a mission on the moon, what did they destroy? What marvelous thing did they take away from the general population of Earth? It was planned and planned well in advance. That ship could have been dealt with with explosives and the impact of small particules would not be very damaging. We should raise hell and make sure this doesnt happen again.

Richard C. Hoagland will be on Coast to Coast soon, he has a Artifact picture that was leaked to him that will leave no doubt in your mind. Wait a few days and catch the pic, awesome.

so anybody have this picture??? it is may 2007 already.

devilzangel
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Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on April 28, 2008, 02:29:51 AM
I don't know were his picture is but, I have one. Harti, feel like hosting a 48.8 megabyte picture a couple of days. I have some directions on were 4 artifacts are even though I'm unsure what they do, One of them is the square hole in a square piece. Something that is not produced by nature. I have tried posting it on picture posting sites, they won't do it. The upload happens and the picture never shows by search or surf afterwards. The pictures name is larryslookout_spirit_big2.jpg and wait until you find out how many times you can zoom in on it. I believe it went onto easy-share.com correctly, you should be able to get it there.

OK, Photobucket is uploading right now, I don't know if you need more than the name of the file to get to it. This photo has been airbrushed, they missed things. There could be far more artifacts than I think as our technology may not look like theirs. Tag is artifacts.

Across the bottom of the picture is a saw tooth pattern where all the images from spirit were put together by the Russians. Once all images are put together like this it is very apparent the shadows are airbrushed. Along the top of the hill they did a very bad job of covering up a square cut construction block with a square hole in it. No natural formation has a square hole in it.
Zoom in till things just start to get fuzzy, you can zoom out 1 after you find this.
Locate the solar panel hinge on the bottom, move to the saw tooth point just left of it. Scroll up slowly, the first thing you find should look like a dumbbell with an extra knob sticking out of one end. Just a little bit above that is the square piece with the square hole. Have fun with the rest of it, it is huge.

Looks like at least another half hour before photobucket finishes the upload. going into album name raburgeson. Tag is artifacts. Only think I did to the picture is use equalize on it. Mentioned in a previous post I tried it. It is a very good tool because it makes airbrushing much more apparent.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Bulbz on April 28, 2008, 03:12:23 AM
I don't know were his picture is but, I have one. Harti, feel like hosting a 48.8 megabyte picture a coupole of days. I have some directions on were 4 artifacts are even though I'm unsure what they do, One of them is the square hole in a square piece. Something that is not produced by nature. I have tried posting it on picture posting sites, they won't do it. The upload happens and the picture never shows by search or surf afterwards. The pictures name is larryslookout_spirit_big2.jpg and wait until you find out how many times you can zoom in on it.

Have you tried putting the photo on photobucket.com ?.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on April 28, 2008, 05:28:20 AM
Yes, tell me if they down sized it, original size 48.8 megabyte. Originally found this by searching extremely large telescopes. I was just downloading pictures they had. wound up on a Russian telescope site, got it there. At the time I had given up on getting a high res picture of Mars having tried the advanced image searches high resolution and large on several sites.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on May 16, 2008, 06:26:53 AM
OK, pick up this picture.

Dish with buildings Mars Cydonia.jpg

Should look like this. True there is one crashed, why did they over look the other one in the bottom left.

cropping below. Zoom in and look at it, it is sitting on top of the ground.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on May 16, 2008, 07:42:31 AM
If you got my pic from photobucket and it's not downsized you should have found this and it is not a natural formation.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on May 16, 2008, 07:43:45 AM
And this,
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on May 16, 2008, 07:44:38 AM
And this,
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on May 16, 2008, 07:45:28 AM
And most importantly this,
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on May 25, 2008, 11:45:30 PM
Photobucket did indeed host the entire photo. It reports itself larger because the header now rounds off in actual bytes instead of Kbytes. There is nothing more I can give you to find the file except my password.

http://s284.photobucket.com/albums/ll30/raburgeson/?action=view&current=larryslookout_spirit_big2.jpg

Here I hope this works.

Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: wattsup on May 26, 2008, 01:25:04 AM
@raburgeson

How appropriate to bring this thread back today. Phoenix is about to land in around 30 minutes.

I was wondering as a side note since you are a great observer, maybe you could give us a hand with the SM videos. We  now have a better quality video and there is a thread open on it here;

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,4486.msg99432.html#msg99432

If you go through the pages quickly you will see  images already posted.

Not that Mars is not fascinating as well as what you're putting forth, because they are, but maybe your talent could be used elsewhere. Some fresh eyes and a new perspective may be what we need.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: TheOne on May 26, 2008, 01:53:21 AM
The only problem with the mars image that NASA release are filtered to change the color in red. instead of seeing a blue sky its red, how pathetic it is! I am sure the new photo will stay red with the same kind of filter.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: infringer on May 26, 2008, 04:01:09 AM
Hrmm what kind of visual filter did you use to see this engine I see nothing but pixelated rocks and sand super zoomed in on....

Call me boring but I do not see anything of what you see.

But I will mention that anyone living in the country can expirence this red effect at times here on earth when the sky is full of pink clouds and the sun is setting... I have seen also everything lit with yellowish green hues before a storm the color seemed to saturate everything.

Obviously the world we live on is mostly water which is how we have the blue planet...

Anyhow radical thinking is always welcome I suppose

-infringer-
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 07, 2008, 09:23:42 PM
The picture has already had equalize done to it. It is the only thing done to it. I will load it back into my computer an get you directions to the engine. I'll be back soon and update this post within 24 hrs.

Directions to the engine. It is above the third sawtooth point from the left at the bottom of the picture. I use the black edge across the bottom to navigate. Scroll up from the third black peak slowly, if you miss it, (I doubt it) , it's half way up the hill.
 
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 07, 2008, 10:46:19 PM
I stand corrected, this is the raw image I downloaded from the Russians. If you have read all of the posts you will already know Equalize in Photoshop gets the red out better than Visine. Use Equalize on it. Modify is missing from my choices and I can't simply edit the above message so. I use the black part of picture frame edges across the bottom to navigate by treating them as saw teeth.

The skeleton is from the bottom left 4 and 1/4 saw teeth from the bottom left and 1/3 way up from the bottom.

For those that do not have photoshop, I will equalize this and save it on photobucket also.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 08, 2008, 01:04:33 AM
Link Equalized,

http://rapidshare.com/files/120849467/larryslookout_spirit_big2Equalized.jpg.html

Photobucket wanted to limit me to 1 meg. so I had to put it here. They might be reducing the size of the picture at the download link too, I have no idea, Rapidshare will not modify it or delete it at the request of a government.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 08, 2008, 08:22:08 PM
Oops, wrong skeleton, try 5 and 1/2 teeth over from the left and 1/4 way up the picture.

Notice the air brushers use three colors yellow and either blue or pink, then they cover the whole base tone patch with black. Well they are suppose to they missed on the edges in a lot of places. After you identify the finish coat you can see they went back over most of the shadows to try to make the airbrushing blend in. A lot of that is real second grade work, shadows do not instantly turn black. Some air brushing can be picked out by grade school kids. See if you kids can find shadows that are fake. Light air brushed areas are simply green streaks with a couple of yellow dots and dashes sprayed on. Notice the solar panels are surgically clean, my hats off to the cleaning crew.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: TheOne on June 08, 2008, 10:02:22 PM
You should maybe use pixel coordinates, the first one coord, i found it but its rocks i am sure.

For the second coord, i did not find anything
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 10, 2008, 06:51:55 PM
Look again a the area 5 and 1/2 teeth from the left and 1/4 the way up from the bottom. That skeleton has an obvious airbrush beside it. I don't know what process they used to airbrush, but they missed the skeleton. The airbrush is present and large enough to cover but it hit immediately to the right of the artifact. They may have tried to use a program to do the airbrushing. Also I found a pile of bones at the bottom of a rock that is probably the leg bones for one of these to skeletons. You may notice white spots in the instant black shadows they airbrushed around the bottoms of the rocks here and there. What I'm trying to get across is they are up there. They are not just hiding stuff with airbrushes, they are moving artifacts, they are maintaining the landers. They are on Mars right now and they have been there for decades. Who are they, the same people that have you by the nads, the rich owners of the giant international companies and control the technology they refuse you. Look to the controlling interests of Lockheed Martin and companies like it that claim the be doing reverse engineering by way of disinforming leaks from exemployees.

You are under government control on every experiment you do. The rich control the government. It's illegal to work in certain frequencies, you are limited by the capabilities of your components, information is removed from sources you might find. remember the US government stated they intend to conquer the whole electro-magnetic spectrum? You can't experiment in petrahertz but they do, the components you are able to buy aren't capable. You know full well it you experiment in the wrong range the FCC or some other alphabet organization will come and bust you. Are you doing anything with the light frequency band? There used to be on the net a site that showed using a drill to twist wire  and building coils for scalar devices. That site lasted for days and it will never be seen again. I saved it. If I come across it I will post it, it's something they definitely do not want you to see. Your componets are also limited by their voltage and amperage carrying capabilities. Last but not least you are controlled by the cost of energy. The governments and many companies do not share these limits.

If you want to start a real fight try to get what we wanted, a direct line from a 25,000 volt powerline, try to get one of those.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 10, 2008, 08:18:31 PM
http://www.stevesforums.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=47186&forum_id=72

The timer on editing is a pain in the butt, This is a continuation from above. As you can see the U2 carried a 4 gig camera. Why would they send less to mars? Why is this picture poorer quality than a picture you can take with your camera right now at home? Each section of the original picture had to be gigs in size when it was originally sent to were they send them to before they get filtered down to NASA. That's why it looks grainy, you are looking at a bunch of thumbs. You are all familiar with what thumbnails look like. look at the picture again, it's really had it's resolution cut down. By guesstimate I would say you could zoom in an additional 6 times on the original. How much proof do you need that they are hiding the truth about what's going on in space? They are outright lying to the people.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 11, 2008, 11:00:40 PM
Incase you think I monkeyed with the picture befor the post I found a link to it straight from NASA.

http://sse.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/gallery/mars_rover_panorama_half-size.jpg

This is half size of mine, remember to click the cursor on the picture and click the + on the magnifying glass before right clicking and saving image as. This way you get it the full half size, your browser does that. When at full size the skeleton is viewable directly off their sight, 5 and 1/2 teeth over and 1/4 the way up from the bottom. The legs are on this one, the airbrush skullduggery is clearly visible by using equalize and zoom in. These are not rocks. They have been lying to us. I for one want the truth.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: TheOne on June 12, 2008, 12:25:26 AM
I cannot find it, can you tell us what is the pixel coordinate? :)
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 12, 2008, 10:24:03 PM
OK, this is going to be a long one. I use paint shop pro to get the coordinates. You must not be using Photoshop, let me say first off, not all image programs are equal. If you can't see these things see a friend with a larger monitor that has Photoshop. There was a fairly large difference between the 2 programs that I was just using.

Coordinates:

Skeleton 4652,2828  Skeleton 3802,2504  Engine with bent pipe sticking out the front 2700,2248

Unknown Item 2636,3528  Pipe sticking out of the ground actually enhanced by airbrusher 6146,1144

Object with square hole 11763,1915  Dumbbell thing with extra knob 11757,2168

Item that appears several times 12102,2565  Pipe pile 17854,2087 

Couple of large pipes airbrushed but shape unchanged 7462,1052

Pile of cement blocks cut up by airbrush 14281,2540  Airbrushed 60s style pop bottle 16558,2329

another item to many times 16225,2348  One of 100 stray discarded cement blocks 22041,3639

Very interesting (think it's bone) show you another one 3805,3353 - - 13251,2703

bottle with blue cap they didn't completely brush out 3598,2222

I didn't find the pop can that pass which we identified by not only the shape but the flaring stripe on the side, an older coca-cola can you may not be able to remember. My eyes are crossed and tired now so, I'm quiting for the day.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 14, 2008, 12:26:24 AM
I've looked at a couple more pictures. I will take the results to Chemtrailcentral were I can post the pics. I have croppings. and the link to the source picture. I want to bring up a new part of the topic right now. They will probably try to claim a pristine area to be protected. They will be lying out their butts. They just back up to a crater and throw stuff over the rim. Never mind what crater they used last time. The people we have up there are ecological pigs and they have no call to say environmental protection in any way. I will post a large crop of another dump site. Go there to see it, also a large live animal and another skeleton from this other picture. That animal has to have a food chain and none is see able. Everything is airbrushed beyond recognition so that figures. I may have a picture of airbrushed over trees. I can't tell for sure so I am holding that picture for now. If they aren't short palm trees then they are a small array HAARP style antennas.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Scorpile on June 14, 2008, 05:04:57 PM
I just want to comment, every aspect of perception, name it visually, audibly, tactile, or whatever, is relative to the circunstances of the people having the perception.

If you go underwater, lets say 5 meters down, your skin, even a white paper, will not look the same color than when it's out of water.

If i show you a picture of a blue paper, but use yellow light when taken the picture, you will never know how it really looks on sunshine unless i give you the blue paper and you go out to see it.

With the athmospere conditions, you probably will perceive the colors the same way they are in the picture, or probably you will perceibe another tones, but i'm pretty sure, if you take a super white paper, and see it in mars, you will not perceibe it as white as here in earth.

We all know NASA, JPL, NSA, are hidding a lot of things, but that's just another picture of the same story.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 15, 2008, 02:25:54 AM
Well I figured out what they do not want us to know. Everybody that hasn't the equipment or is waiting for something before they can precede with their experiments had better download and save every Mars rover image they can find. I kind of understand now why US administration has gone off the deep end going crazy about weapons of mass destruction. I'm sure the whole world right now has heard of weapons of mass destruction. Mars's Humanoid race destroyed themselves and their planet in a war. They are visiting battlefields. How would you like to pry the weapon from this guys cold dead hands and go to Ebay with it?

Right click it and download the crop below and zoom in on it. It's airbrushed but, it's viewable. Yes the head is either missing or airbrushed out. That's not a rock sticking up as they would have you believe in the condensed full sized image.

We need to get together and do something constructive instead of following down the same path the Martians did.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 16, 2008, 11:25:08 PM
Once you understand how I think I believe that we will suddenly share some common ground.
An Astronaut gave most incredible disclosure up to and including the present date. He said
the object is pre-mare.Pre-mare elludes to a historic event in our Solar System that was
cataclysmic. Whether it was war, or an incredible amount of space born objects there was a
great deal of damage done to our Solar System. It destroyed the area referred to as the Mare
Crater on the Moon. The term object in this statement does not mean a rock or thing that is
natural. It refers to a constructed item made by intelligent life forms.

The pictures taken by the Mars Rover and what has been done to them. IF you have viewed all
of the panoramics released as images taken by Opportunity and Spirit rovers you will notice
these things. The mosaics are assembled after information is airbrushed out of each segment,
then exists a second airbrush campaign for matching of edges. Also views from a distance
gotten by driving up to the rim of a crater or hill top, provide images that perspectively
contain less information and is easier to modify. You will have noted that the angle at the
bottom of the picture is fairly steep in reference to the camera. Also camera placement so the solar
panels are in the shot obstructing the view of closest most informing perfectly clear focus area is
obstructed on purpose. The size of the picture may be, Image may be scaled down and subject
to copyright, only a thumb. I assure you they are, the cameras on the 1970s U2 spy plane
were 4 gigapixel cameras. In essence they have not followed court orders under the freedom
of information act and released any virgin photos that would reveal the truth about Mars or
the Moon. They can't claim national security on this either because neither the Moon or Mars
is ready to attack us.

The last released photo, the panorama, Husband Hills, I must approach this with caution. It
was popped out just days after the discovery of many skeletons on Mars. This release has a
large amount of anomalies on it. Hidden objects you can see the outline of. A city and ruins
are present. Husband Hills also has a name sake in California. Pros and Cons of this picture
at first look. Con, a man with a huge pistol and an armed vehicle behind him. Outlines of
animals, unknown value, Requires study, The ruins if this is a picture of Mars would
probably be pre-mare. The city in the top right corner. I have already shown the presence
of discarded cement blocks. A city exists somewhere on Mars. This picture of  Mars has been
presented somewhere between 2002 and 2004 containing the cement block. Then here is your
smoking gun.


Notice the sandy built up area were upon the long low building is sitting. This would not be made on
Earth, erosion would make it impossible to construct a city on a base unprotected by ground cover. I
believe at this time the picture is of mars and the cities existence at this time is not a basic fact.
I do however stand behind the discovery of a vast number of skeletons on Mars. Spirit
actually landed in a dense area of skeletons and the ramp it drove off the lander on the left
side looking down it has a skeleton right there. By war or nature Mars was delt a death
blow. Most died on their backs, I assume they had trouble breathing in their final moments.
Whether this was the result of chemical or biological weapons, radiation, or
electromagnetic weapons I don't know. I do no the majority of skeletons I have been able to
view has weapons. This may have been an act of war.

There was the presents of a live animal in one of the pictures. This indicates there is a
food chain. All other lifeforms has been hidden from view by skullduggery.
Cement blocks are Earthly technology, designed and produced here it is unlikely that they
would be paralleled by an ancient Martian technology. The find of cement blocks is proof in
itself that we have not only been to mars, we stayed to do construction. This is a situation
that would require the support of steady supplies. I have already revealed the smoking gun
for those that do not need to be dropped off inside a Martian city to believe it's there.
So being at the end of this post it only remains that we must turn our attention to the
people that have been doing the lying and deceiving.

I also believe if we make them reveal the facts the facts will also reveal not only tons of new technology but, free energy as well. It's official, the last release Husband Hill is released as a spirit rover shot on Mars, we have a city on mars, there are artifacts and ruins on Mars and there is life there. Go and download a full copy of it before they change it. It's big yes. Here's the ruins, the city is far to large to post here. Save image and zoom in. NASA's complaining it's hard to put together a panorama is a crock too, the civilian world is having no problem doing it. there are many fine examples
of mosaics with no loss of information on the net, produced by people that have almost no resources.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Bulbz on June 16, 2008, 11:59:24 PM
Once you understand how I think I believe that we will suddenly share some common ground.
An Astronaut gave most incredible disclosure up to and including the present date. He said
the object is pre-mare.Pre-mare elludes to a historic event in our Solar System that was
cataclysmic. Whether it was war, or an incredible amount of space born objects there was a
great deal of damage done to our Solar System. It destroyed the area referred to as the Mare
Crater on the Moon. The term object in this statement does not mean a rock or thing that is
natural. It refers to a constructed item made by intelligent life forms.

The pictures taken by the Mars Rover and what has been done to them. IF you have viewed all
of the panoramics released as images taken by Opportunity and Spirit rovers you will notice
these things. The mosaics are assembled after information is airbrushed out of each segment,
then exists a second airbrush campaign for matching of edges. Also views from a distance
gotten by driving up to the rim of a crater or hill top, provide images that perspectively
contain less information and is easier to modify. You will have noted that the angle at the
bottom of the picture is fairly steep in reference to the camera. Also camera placement so the solar
panels are in the shot obstructing the view of closest most informing perfectly clear focus area is
obstructed on purpose. The size of the picture may be, Image may be scaled down and subject
to copyright, only a thumb. I assure you they are, the cameras on the 1970s U2 spy plane
were 4 gigapixel cameras. In essence they have not followed court orders under the freedom
of information act and released any virgin photos that would reveal the truth about Mars or
the Moon. They can't claim national security on this either because neither the Moon or Mars
is ready to attack us.

The last released photo, the panorama, Husband Hills, I must approach this with caution. It
was popped out just days after the discovery of many skeletons on Mars. This release has a
large amount of anomalies on it. Hidden objects you can see the outline of. A city and ruins
are present. Husband Hills also has a name sake in California. Pros and Cons of this picture
at first look. Con, a man with a huge pistol and an armed vehicle behind him. Outlines of
animals, unknown value, Requires study, The ruins if this is a picture of Mars would
probably be pre-mare. The city in the top right corner. I have already shown the presence
of discarded cement blocks. A city exists somewhere on Mars. This picture of  Mars has been
presented somewhere between 202 and 2004 containing the cement block. Then here is your
smoking gun.


Notice the sandy built up area were upon the long low building is sitting. This would not be made on
Earth, erosion would make it impossible to construct a city on a base unprotected by ground cover. I
believe at this time the picture is of mars and the cities existence at this time is not a basic fact.
I do however stand behind the discovery of a vast number of skeletons on Mars. Spirit
actually landed in a dense area of skeletons and the ramp it drove off the land on the left
side looking down it has a skeleton right there. By war or nature Mars was delt a death
blow. Most died on their backs, I assume they had trouble breathing in their final moments.
Whether this was the result of chemical or biological weapons, radiation, or
electromagnetic weapons I don't know. I do no the majority of skeletons I have been able to
view has weapons. This may have been an act of war.

There was the presents of a live animal in one of the pictures. This indicates there is a
food chain. All other lifeforms has been hidden from view by skullduggery.
Cement blocks are Earthly technology, designed and produced here it is unlikely that they
would be paralleled by an ancient Martian technology. The find of cement blocks is proof in
itself that we have not only been to mars, we stayed to do construction. This is a situation
that would require the support of steady supplies. I have already revealed the smoking gun
for those that do not need to be dropped off inside a Martian city to believe it's there.
So being at the end of this post it only remains that we must turn our attention to the
people that have been doing the lying and deceiving.

I also believe if we make them reveal the facts the facts will also reveal not only tons of new technology but, free energy as well. It's official, the last release Husband Hill is released as a spirit rover shot on Mars, we have a city on mars, there are artifacts and ruins on Mars and there is life there. Go and download a full copy of it before they change it. It's big yes.


I have also had thoughts that we are not being shown the whole picture. For all we know the images could be of a Martian dessert, just like we have right here on Earth.

I have also wondered what is beyond the hills and valleys in the background.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 20, 2008, 12:55:37 AM
I have them we have a city on mars. It's a whole lot off typing so go to,

http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/

The go to forums, conspiracy, Expose them

I'm burnt out and need a nap. The explanations are there. I urge members and visitors to request hacking groups to crack the Image husbandhill_spirit_big.jpg. The actual viewing resolution for this picture is 700% and the background has a code in it. That part needs cracked to make the image clear.

Check it out, I'm not wasting your time. They have transparent stamped images on the picture that tells your subconscious  mind you are focused at the right resolution. The image does not pixelate because you are going out of focus. It pixelates because of a background code which needs to be subtracted from the picture to clear it up. I told the US government it is time to tell the truth, way past time.

That's not a ruin that's a building in use.

I have put copies here in case they change the data in the images. Special note one of the landers is being worked on and did not send out pictures. Search the news for this article.

2 Images in rar file includes press release image with more city data on it. Get a look at the suburbs. Raw file not equalized, on the file there may be a better way to crack the image.

http://rapidshare.com/files/123646219/HusbandHillMainRar.rar.html

I believe this one went perfectly.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=M105RS60

I'm sure this one did.

They will probably replace all the images they can with a image with tougher protection.
Rapidshare and megaupload are still mad about their cables getting cut under water and will hang on to these images forever. 
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Bulbz on June 20, 2008, 01:56:17 AM
There is one thing that puzzles me...

If there is life that is actually inteligent enough to  construct buildings, why have they not started to investigate the equipment that NASA has landed there ?.

Could it be that these are actually modified images of our own planet ?. The government are a bunch of lying assholes, so it wouldn't supprise me.

Or could it be that the government already has regular contact with Martians, and the Martian bodz have agreed to leave the equipment alone ?.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 20, 2008, 04:36:15 AM
We built the cities there. There are no aliens. The cement blocks are made on Earth. We have space travel and it's hidden from the public. We took the picture of the Milky Way Galaxy from at least 100 light years away. We take close ups of other galaxies. Our rich are raping Mars for it's resources. We have a half million missing persons a year without a trace. I would copy and paste the whole post here but, I can't display the large picture crops here. Your stock money, retirement, and tax monies are doing fantastic things. The government is suppressing these technologies.

The government: They spend 50 times the research money the civilian world does every year, your tax money, were is the science? The government selects the school curriculum to teach you not to think in a way you will make advancements. They limit your frequency and power in your experiments. The components you use are very limited. Star wars alone cost 3 trillion dollars in research, many times what was spent on the entire cold war by both sides in it's entire history. They robbed Tesla and Leedskalnin and many other civilian scientists. Look at Stanley Meyers, he signed, they can use his device free for the military, now he's dead and where is the device. They not only out develop us they steal technology from us to hold us down. The industrial military complex exists and they have lied to us long enough now they can cough up this technology and give it to us as if we didn't pay for it in the first place. They invented NASA and the space program to lie to us. I'm not being mean here just in a hurry, I have to go get my wife at her work place, I'm late leaving now. I hope I covered everything.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 20, 2008, 08:06:56 AM
Check out DR. Evil suit guy and what ever he's driving has a tank positioned like a fork truck fuel tank.

They really try to keep people out of camera range, gee I wonder why.

Oops, just revealed it's not uncrackable huh Gov.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Bulbz on June 20, 2008, 12:59:59 PM
We built the cities there. There are no aliens. The cement blocks are made on Earth. We have space travel and it's hidden from the public. We took the picture of the Milky Way Galaxy from at least 100 light years away. We take close ups of other galaxies. Our rich are raping Mars for it's resources. We have a half million missing persons a year without a trace. I would copy and paste the whole post here but, I can't display the large picture crops here. Your stock money, retirement, and tax monies are doing fantastic things. The government is suppressing these technologies.

The government: They spend 50 times the research money the civilian world does every year, your tax money, were is the science? The government selects the school curriculum to teach you not to think in a way you will make advancements. They limit your frequency and power in your experiments. The components you use are very limited. Star wars alone cost 3 trillion dollars in research, many times what was spent on the entire cold war by both sides in it's entire history. They robbed Tesla and Leedskalnin and many other civilian scientists. Look at Stanley Meyers, he signed, they can use his device free for the military, now he's dead and where is the device. They not only out develop us they steal technology from us to hold us down. The industrial military complex exists and they have lied to us long enough now they can cough up this technology and give it to us as if we didn't pay for it in the first place. They invented NASA and the space program to lie to us. I'm not being mean here just in a hurry, I have to go get my wife at her work place, I'm late leaving now. I hope I covered everything.



That definately explains a lot of things  8).

As for the government swagging civilian inventions, and then pretending that they dont exist... If they deny that the technologies exist, then we civilians can make that backfire and use it to our advantage, because if the government say that they don't exist, then we can re-invent and use these technologies at will. Always remember this... If the government says that it don't exist, then they don't own it already. What they don't own, we can copy and use it.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 21, 2008, 02:06:54 AM
No this is government theft, we paid for the research and they shared the results with their rich buddies.
We don't reinvent the wheel, make them get all of this technology out and give it to the people. It is not the function of the United States government to be in business, they are not supposed to own land driving up real estate prices or get in bed with the people strip mining Mars. Congress and the Senate is to uphold the Constitution and the Whitehouse is supposed to house the figure head and that's it, that's their complete job description. They are crooks.

Those people they took up there better be enjoying human rights. The whole world economy is rocking and reeling under the weight of the finances behind this. And a chosen few are basking in mined products they have stored to financially enslave humanity for centuries and we stop this now.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Bulbz on June 21, 2008, 03:45:27 AM
I wonder if the atmosphere on Mars, contians breathable air  :-\.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 23, 2008, 07:54:04 AM
Look at the guy on the forklift type device. He is wearing a yellow hard hat, not a helmet. I must not have made the meaning clear. This crop is a crop of the reflection of a little gold connector on the rover. I have gotten more information from the reflections so far than I have from the forward information they present. This information is closer to the camera small and escapes a lot of the coding in the picture. The reason for that is the rovers are the prime prop in this disinformation campaign. Well until now, now they will be sure to airbrush any reflected information. Do you notice the rover tracks in front of the rover. They take your eye from the information. They set your perspective wrong. If you drive up somewhere and take a picture are your tracks in it? Looking for the rail guides for the forks on that special lifting truck would be like looking for the boom on a modern wrecker. Remember I have found roads that work with the buildings. They work for the rover too, just load it on the back of a truck and take it to the next destination. You never see huge rocks in the reflection of the shiny parts of the rovers, that's all airbrushing out buildings and equipment. I really have been working hard on this. I welcome any help I get. I feel it is important to stop the lie, I think I've found evidence that the people up there are not enjoying basic human rights.

I did try to get this across at chemtrailcentral, I'm talking about the first crop you come to above.
Yes that is a building in the crop and they are on Mars.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 23, 2008, 08:49:53 AM
Here zoom in on both fork truck crops here's one of the back end, notice it has 2 radiator support guards, vertical ones. Zoom Zoom Zoom, study it good.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 24, 2008, 03:38:35 AM
I wrecked my back pushing a car and can't stand, sit, or lay down. I have to do something so I decided to sit and further try to answer your question. I searched through crops and pictures and I found something to add to the answer.I found a guy that is not even wearing a t-shirt. That doesn't mean he is entirely comfortable mind you, remember what I said about questionable living conditions. On the right side of the metal piece beside the bright spot on the edge. The bottom half of the man is fogged out by air brush. Also notice the building on top of the cliff and they air brushed the left side because there was something on it they were really afraid we were going to see. It looks like in the middle of the day the environment is moderate. It could still be cold at night, not that bad though, at worst you would probably need a coat. So there you go air, water, survivable climate. Hope people are going to request a crack and asking for Husbandhill_spirit_big.jpg to be cracked, we need that done. We need the background code removed and it wouldn't hurt if all 3 images were separated. In the case of these small crops it makes little difference on the posting size. This is only cut down 150 pixels, on the ones I post here the quality is OK. This crop just doesn't have more or better information in it. Again play with the zoom.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Bennyboy on June 24, 2008, 12:14:23 PM
Mate, I'm looking at your picture, am I supposed to see half a man there somewhere, coz buggered if I know what I'm looking at.

Is it just me or do most of these pictures you post have nothing but landscape on them?

 ??? ???

Please enlighten me!
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Koen1 on June 24, 2008, 02:05:03 PM
Yes, I also do not see any men with yellow hard hats, nor do I see any forklifts...
Are you sure you're posting the right pictures to go with your secriptions?

Also, I visited chemtraicentral but there's only lots of stuff on chemtrails,
I don't easily find anything on the mars pics you're so anxious about...
Perhaps you can more clearly indicate where we can find these pictures
and where we must look to see these men with hats etc?

Don't think I'm dissing you or anything, I do believe Nasa has been
forging pictures and colours to keep us from the truth, and it simply
does not make any sense to spend billions to get to the moon
and then not take that last step toward Mars... So it is very well
possible they have been there since the 1960s. After all, they've got
huge underground bases in the US, and although hauling the stuff
to Mars is quite a bit more difficult, once you've got it there it should not
be excessively more difficult to build your underground base there...
A typical false argument opposing that has always been the fact that
Mars does not have a proper atmosphere. Well, maybe not on the highlands
where the probes generally land, but what about those 5km dep canyons?
That's quite a depth, and we know that the bottoms of our Earthly canyons
(on the ocean floor) have significantly higher pressures... It is not impossible
for atmospheric gas pressures to be significantly higher on the bottom of
those canyons. And of course it is easy to drill into a canyon wall to start
an underground complex. And you'd be hidden from view too, way down there
on the bottom. You'd just need to build a topside communications link I guess.
So perhaps that's what the topside buildings are for?
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Bulbz on June 24, 2008, 02:22:22 PM
I also believe that a lot of the pictures are put there to keep us busy while the government play around with the big stuff.

What I am saying is... For a mission that is supposed to cost billions to achieve, they seem to have fitted some seriously crap cameras. I reckon that they use an extremely high quality camera for their own stuff, and use a crappy camera to release stuff to the media. Either that, or there are actually humans up there, which would eliminate the need for decent lander cameras.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 25, 2008, 08:55:07 AM
The only way I can clarify the no teeshirt is crop it down even further so here. And the fork truck is clear, I don't know maybe try a different contrast and brightness on your monitor. Get 5 People in and ask them if they can see a fork truck and don't tell them it's Mars. Bet you don't have a problem finding it then. Man with his back turned to you below.

I'm using a 21 inch CRT IBM monitor set brightness and contrast at default. I can see it clear.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Bennyboy on June 25, 2008, 09:00:32 AM
That's a negative. 

Whilst I'm sure things are being kept from the camera's or airbrushed out, I don't think you're on the right track here mate.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 25, 2008, 09:07:24 AM
I'm sure I am on the right track and I can even see the fork truck without even downloading it and zooming in on it.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Koen1 on June 25, 2008, 01:05:16 PM
The only way I can clarify the no teeshirt is crop it down even further so here. And the fork truck is clear, I don't know maybe try a different contrast and brightness on your monitor. Get 5 People in and ask them if they can see a fork truck and don't tell them it's Mars. Bet you don't have a problem finding it then. Man with his back turned to you below.

I'm using a 21 inch CRT IBM monitor set brightness and contrast at default. I can see it clear.

Well we looked at the pic (and some others) with 3 people on a full HD screen of 80cm diagonal,
zoomed in and out and fidgeted with the contrast and brightness and everything,
and all we see is a vague whitish blur next to more blur.
We cannot determine if it is a man or not, it is just a different coloured blur.
We can certainly not determine if "he" has his back or his front turned to the camera...
Nor can we determine if the other blur is anything at all, let alone a forklift.

But then again, all 3 of us have 20-20 vision so we do not have experience with
guesstimating images that hit our visual cortex in the form of a vague blur.
It may be that people with bad eyesight who are used to seeing vague blurs
all the time can clearly identify this specific type of blur as a man with his back
turned to the camera, and the other specific type of blur as a forklift...

I'm just offering suggestions here because you seem so convinced that you're
seeing clear shapes at all, and I don't want to dismiss that as pure wishfull thinking...

@Bulbz: yeah, indeed, shoot a billion dollar probe to the next planet and use cheapass
wallmart webcams for eyes... make sense? No it don't. ;)
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Bennyboy on June 25, 2008, 01:10:23 PM
Unfortunately Koen my eyes are shithouse and I cannot make out anything either...

@Raburgeson are you seriously telling us that you see these things in all the photo's you've posted??
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 25, 2008, 08:00:45 PM
I can't change the data that would make me as dirty as they are. Look the light is really bright, the sun is behind him on the left and a window is reflecting on the right. Tell you what, these military game players are everywhere. If you know one have one that has sniped, that's just about every one of them, have one of them show you the best head shot and chest shot for a man on a forklift with the sun behind him. Don't give him any more details than that. Show him this tiny crop and I don't think you will get any hesitation. I think he'll start pointing right away. I did change the picture for my wife with just a couple quick air brushes. You've been seeing what others want you to see for far to long already. The government of the United States has been taking more than poetic license with these pictures and I can't do that to anybody and then sleep at night.

I'll tell you something else about the rover pictures to, the post with the 2 concentric rings around the top has the same reflection right down to the last pixel on it no matter what photograph it's in. It doesn't matter if it's a color or gray scale picture or any thing else. Lot's of times the paste work on it comes out wrong an the whole post isn't displayed.

The crop with the silver pipe on the side of the rover doesn't show the tank and has no driver at the time the picture was taken. The tank can't be view because of the curve of the pipe. If it's not there it's simply no there.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Koen1 on June 26, 2008, 02:06:54 PM
I can't change the data that would make me as dirty as they are. Look the light is really bright, the sun is behind him on the left and a window is reflecting on the right. Tell you what, these military game players are everywhere. If you know one have one that has sniped, that's just about every one of them,
Although in my country they are not "everywhere" at all, may have to do with a less militaristic attitude, I do know a few, and I can tell you that it is not true that the majority of them have been snipers.
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have one of them show you the best head shot and chest shot for a man on a forklift with the sun behind him. Don't give him any more details than that. Show him this tiny crop and I don't think you will get any hesitation.
Well in fact I did, and the guy who happens to have been
in the red beret special forces and happens to have done sniper missions told me he'd never had to snipe anything or anyone with such crappy visibility. He said
even the worst scope he's had gave him a much more detailed and much clearer picture than the crappy crop-out. He did hypothesise that, assuming it is a man,
there is a lot of glare and reflection going on there as if he were standing next to a mirror in a very bright spotlight, but there must be some kind of fog or haze
because the image is so blurry and vague. Or the scope was of very low quality, or the camera was junk; in that case only the bright light remains.
Assuming this was all so, he did point at a spot where he would aim. Which is not very difficult, for with a good long-range sniper rifle with nice caliber
it should be possible to tag the head or upper torso which will be lethal. But he repeated several times that, if given that info and given the order he would
assume it was the target and would fire, but if not given the info and the order he would not have concluded that the blur must be a man. He said the image
is just too fuzzy and blurry for that. He suggested that moving images might clear up the problem, as human bodily motion is quite typical and easy to
recognise even if you can't see the details. But with such a still pic of a vague blur he would have to go on intel, he would not conclude it was definately
a man if asked for confirmation. And he does not see a forklift either.
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I think he'll start pointing right away.
Yes, when told that he is looking at a man he did point at a spot (or actually a zone) where he would aim.
But he needed to be told it was a man, he could not conclude that from the blur on the picture.
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I did change the picture for my wife with just a couple quick air brushes. You've been seeing what others want you to see for far to long already. The government of the United States has been taking more than poetic license with these pictures and I can't do that to anybody and then sleep at night.
Please do not think I am accusing you of producing false pictures. I do believe that you honestly feel you are seeing a man, and a forklift, and what not.
I just do not see them, I only see blurs, and I would really like to get a bit of a clearer look. I'd love to see a construction worker with a yellow hard hat
on a picture of what Nasa claims is a barren and empty planet! :D

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I'll tell you something else about the rover pictures to, the post with the 2 concentric rings around the top has the same reflection right down to the last pixel on it no matter what photograph it's in. It doesn't matter if it's a color or gray scale picture or any thing else. Lot's of times the paste work on it comes out wrong an the whole post isn't displayed.

The crop with the silver pipe on the side of the rover doesn't show the tank and has no driver at the time the picture was taken. The tank can't be view because of the curve of the pipe. If it's not there it's simply no there.
Tank? I'm sorry, I must have missed that earlier, but did you say there's a tank on Mars? As in tracks, pantzer, cannon, tank?
Wow...
I mean, the colour shifts, the "martian bunny" the rover drove and backed up over, the weird-looking shrapnel with what look like
engine parts littering the surface ("rocks" with symmetrical square holes in it? Right angles? yeah, sure, we see them all the time in nature... ;)),
even that video of a landing where you hear Russian and American at the same time and the American voice shouts "it's 1961, and we've landed
on Mars! And we've got LIFE! If they ever release this, this is going down as the greatest day in history!", the very clear evidence of the pictures
having been manipulated and parts airbrushed out of them,
there's so much that doesn't fit the official story...
And I'd like to see that expanded with pictures of construction workers in forklifts on the planet surface and the other things you mention.
But so far I don't see the things you claim to see, I just see blurs...

If you can get any more and clearer pictures of such things and people that shouldn't be there, I would like to see them. :)
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 26, 2008, 03:09:24 PM
The tank was a transparent stamp just disinformation. I finally finished last night. I was seeing skeletons, they are disinformation too either stamped or air brushed onto the picture. That result came from the observation that no humanoid would develop with a solid bone foot. 2 images that I have been highlighting allowed real information to get through in the way of artifacts and solid info. The solid information on husbandhill_spirit_big.jpg revealed the real information on other previous pictures. The real information is found at or very close to 700% viewing range. It's a 3d map, it's like looking at legoland,  They used the transparent stamps to fool your sub conscience mind into believing you are at the right viewing aspect. There was 2 layers of those. They also covered key information about the roads and added air brushings of rocks and fog hide the buildings and most importantly the roads. It's all about the roads. if you know the complete road system you can figure out were the buildings are. Look at the faces on Mars, they don't exist. The air brushers had some fun and look at all the controversy caused by it. Look at the scientists from NASA that helped fuel the thing. It kept people from looking for the lie, arguing about a lie. I have look at the so called face and it has roads on it, it gets traffic.

This whole thing is about money. They are mining Mars. This is a journal of my quest for the truth. They have been lying to me from the day I was born. The rich have been skimming the easiest to get and the highest concentration ores. The military is in on it and hiding technology that can change your life for the better. If you were looking for a steering wheel and all the garbage and old fashioned forklift has forget finding them. The lift has a post in the front holding a touch pad control. They were probably going to bring those out in about 50 years, but now I have exposed them, they can put them on the market tomorrow. Trees require at least 50 if not 100 gallons of water a day. There are 2 trees at the entrance of the city. There are other scattered trees. Even the trees say there is a temperate climate.
I have finished my investigation, now it's time to get out an air brush and highlight all the roads. We need this image cracked to view the buildings clearly. The background code is still on it.
The military industrial complex exists and it's primary function is to make the rich richer through theft.

It costs absolutely nothing to do this.

requestcracks@gmail.com

Just type

 : Please crack the image husbandhill_spirit_big.jpg :

 and send it.
 3 minutes or less can change your life for the better for the rest of time. Copy and paste this message and cut it down to one minute.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: nfeijo on June 26, 2008, 03:25:43 PM
               I tried with a few photo programs I have. I just see blurs. I am sorry. Maybe we need a photo expert here.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Koen1 on June 26, 2008, 03:54:03 PM
An Astronaut gave most incredible disclosure up to and including the present date. He said
the object is pre-mare.Pre-mare elludes to a historic event in our Solar System that was
cataclysmic. Whether it was war, or an incredible amount of space born objects there was a
great deal of damage done to our Solar System. It destroyed the area referred to as the Mare
Crater on the Moon. The term object in this statement does not mean a rock or thing that is
natural. It refers to a constructed item made by intelligent life forms.

So what object was he talking about, who was this astronaut, where did he see this object,
where did you find the statement by the astronaut?
All very important factoids, it seems to me... ;)
You're not talking about the YouTube video that claims to be a clip filmed by Apollo astronauts
while going around the moon, and that shows what looks like the front end plus cockpit of
a shuttle or other spacecraft sticking out of the lunar soil, are you?
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Freezer on June 26, 2008, 04:19:06 PM
Might not necessarily be us on Mars or other locations mining those materials.  ;) 

There's no question that NASA (Never A Straight Answer) is covering up activity on other planets.  Unfortunately they edit out any anomalies now a days and have all the hardware and software to do it.  Of course some stuff slips by now and then.  They've been portraying Mars as some orange dusty uninhabitable planet for decades as well as all the others.  Its laughable how they are supposedly searching for water on Mars when there is a huge ice cap at its north pole..

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/207495main_Spirit.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/hortonheardawho/536615119/sizes/o/

http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/m07_m12/nonmaps/M08/M0804688.gif

If you are interested in this subject you might want to take a look at what John Lear has done, and his research can be found on his site here.  He's the one who posted those unedited high res images of the moon on ats a while back before he was banned from the site.  I guess he was stirring up too much trouble for the big boys and brought too much attention to the subject.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/Moon_Images_Menu.html
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 26, 2008, 04:51:09 PM
There is a audio file that has the information about pre-Mare on it. As I have said this is a journal, I was fooled by information and previous knowledge several times. It took me a while to get to the truth. I took you on the journey with me, you know every misstep I took. I did what no one else would do, I applied myself to the images, I tested the information. I came up with a final result. All these other sites are just conjecturing. I'm finished, pre-Mare has nothing to do with Mars. The statement made about pre-Mare may have been coriographed by the government, he could have been told to make that statement. Whatever it refers to the moon and I'm investigating Mars. There are a few things to clean up. Where do they bring the materials down? Antarctica? View the rules to occupy  Antarctica, they throw you off the continent without ceremony just because your there. All that crap about operation high jump and all conjectures relating to it is probably all disinformation. This is about money and the people that will lie steal and kill for it. They have been doing this a long time. It took me a while to get to the truth, that's something the rest of the world didn't do so give me a break for a few mistakes. They are out in the open for everyone to see. I stumbled along yes. This still needs cracked has anyone spent the time to ask a hacker on the net? That's why they hid this stuff so long, nobody is willing to put 3 lousy minutes of effort out. No effort, no return. I even gave the link!
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Koen1 on June 26, 2008, 06:03:02 PM
There is a audio file that has the information about pre-Mare on it. As I have said this is a journal, I was fooled by information and previous knowledge several times. It took me a while to get to the truth. I took you on the journey with me, you know every misstep I took. I did what no one else would do, I applied myself to the images, I tested the information. I came up with a final result. All these other sites are just conjecturing.
What do you call what you have been doing? Empirical evidence? You're talking about seeing guys with yellow hard hats, forklifts, stripmines, engines, soda bottles, skeletons, etcetera etcetera and I'd like to believe you but I do not see any of these things in the pictures you present as proof. I have read your entire chemtrail section and looked at all your pictures, I have even downloaded the full size ones and looked at those spots in the pics myself, altering contrast and all kinds of things,
and I do not see those things. I keep seeing blurs. There's a few very curious blurs that must be airbrush as they don't look like normal camera artifacts, and the
picture quality is astoundingly bad for such an important space mission, but other than that I cannot see the things you claim to see. :(
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This still needs cracked has anyone spent the time to ask a hacker on the net? That's why they hid this stuff so long, nobody is willing to put 3 lousy minutes of effort out. No effort, no return. I even gave the link!
Why don't you do it yourself? If you can give the link you can also send the email...

And please, if you do have any clearer images of what you claim to be a stripmine, soda cans or bottles, men, forklifts,
whatever, then please post links here, because I really want to see something like that...
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: utilitarian on June 26, 2008, 06:10:04 PM
This whole thing is about money. They are mining Mars. This is a journal of my quest for the truth. They have been lying to me from the day I was born. The rich have been skimming the easiest to get and the highest concentration ores.

Dude. . . . dude.  Do you have any clue at all about the costs of space travel?  Mars could be made of solid gold, and it still would not be worth it.

Edit: I just went back to read some of your earlier posts.  Nevermind, you are just way out there.  You are in your own reality.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Koen1 on June 26, 2008, 06:27:18 PM
Dude. . . . dude.  Do you have any clue at all about the costs of space travel?  Mars could be made of solid gold, and it still would not be worth it.
Well that depends doesn't it... You're right that space travel costs a lot of money, but as you may know the dollar is not backed
by gold anymore so they've managed to make people do a lot of work for very little actual gold value, and if there's enough
water on Mars to electrolyse rocket fuel setting up and running a Mars mining base would not necessarily have to be
extremely expensive...
Besides, do you have any idea what an ICBM costs to build, maintain, and dismantle? They had and still have
thousands of those. And they don't even bring back any gold or anything. ;)

Also, the case for underground bases is quite convincing, and if they really do have nuclear powered tunnel
boring machines like Phil Sneider said, it would only take one of those and they could build entire underground
cities on Mars...
And if you've got a base, it might be a good idea to build some mining, refining, and production infrastructure
for whatever you may need, be it gold (for what?), water, salt, uranium, whatever. ;)

And those pictures of what look like water and trees and other bushes on Mas look pretty convincing I think...

So yeah, going to Mars only to mine gold seems a bit implausible, but going to Mars as alternative 3 (second
chance for mankind if things go wrong here) and while you're at it doing some mining there does not sound
as farfetched. I think. ;)
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Freezer on June 26, 2008, 06:38:01 PM
I don't understand what you mean by the term "crack" the image..NASA also does not use airbrushing anymore as it's all done digitally now.  I have a great computer system to do image analysis, and am happy to enhance images for you, but I need to know what you are exactly referring to and where it is.  A lot of what I've seen so far looks just like rock formations.  I could see elvis if I stared at it long enough.

It took me a while to get to the truth, that's something the rest of the world didn't do so give me a break for a few mistakes.

Actually there are many people out there who spend endless hours sifting through NASA's scraps.  Most of it is pointless since they sanitize the material before releasing it.  Many people know NASA is lying and they've been caught manipulating images time and time again on countless ats threads.

We built the cities there. There are no aliens.
Sorry but I have to strongly object to this statement..Aliens have been around far before us, and will be here long after we've exhausted.  The cities were there long ago, and was part of an earlier civilization.  I believe Mars at one time was the earth of our solar system, and so Venus will fall into earths position.  The planets are slowly moving away from the sun, which all the planets have originated.  This isn't my theory, but I believe it too be true.  We didn't build those cities, but I believe we've had manned missions to Mars, although we used reversed engineered alien hardware (anti-gravity propulsion). Basically a dumbed down generic version of the real thing.  As we know the military has a bigger space program than NASA, and also has better hardware.

If you want the real information on aliens, read this guys free online book.  Beware, it might blow your mind..;)  Skeptics need not bother..
http://youfo.blogspot.com/

Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: shruggedatlas on June 26, 2008, 07:01:35 PM
Here is my general philosophy on this sort of thing.  Massive conspiracies are impossible.   There are just too many people involved.  Moreover, in something as risky as this, there is not even the guarantee of success, but what is guaranteed is something will leak.

Also, and this is something that is applicable to the faked moon landing and other space conspiracies.  What all of you have to realize is that neither NASA nor the U.S. military build these space craft.  Do you know who does?  Private companies.  (NASA itself does not build anything.)  And there is a collaboration process among different contractors and so there are alot of parties involved.  Some of these companies coincidentally are clients of mine because I live near NASA.  I know some of these folks and they are not evil conspirators.

Let me lay out how this process works.  NASA comes to the contractors and says - OK build me a device that does this. And once a contractor accepts the job and wins a bid, there are hundreds, if not thousands, of people involved.  We are talking about people from the officers of the company down to the low level engineers, their wives, and so on.  There are some confidentiality considerations internally, but that has to do with technology.  Trust me, if there was a massive conspiracy by private companies to exploit Mars at government expense, that would get flushed out real quick.  Cargo spaceships capable of carrying mining equipment (and hey, the mining equipment has to be specially designed to withstand Martian environment) - all this stuff cannot be built in secret without a single word of its existence being leaked.  There are too many lightly-paid engineering jobs for this to happen.  The desire to cash in for a few million and write a book would be too great.  (Scott McClellan wrote a book, and he did not even have anything that juicy to say.)

Off topic, but this goes to the moon landing theories too.  If a contractor is approached and tasked with designing a rocketship that will make it to the moon, then that contractor will make a rocketship capable of going to the moon.  And if it can go to the moon, then we are going, we are not going to fake it.  Now, if, on the other hand, NASA says, well, just make a rocketship that looks like it can go to the moon, but it does not really have to make it there, then you have a massive problem with keeping this stuff contained.  I mean, there are all these engineers working for this company, and now you have to tell them all to fake it.  And you cannot keep it from them, because everyone knows you got a contract to build this thing, and you can't just put like 20 people on it, because everyone knows it's a huge project.

I may be dismissed as part of the conspiracy here, but I just wanted to shed some light, based on personal experience, on how these projects really go, and why a conspiracy would be so hard to pull off.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Freezer on June 26, 2008, 07:46:23 PM

Secrets can be kept, and have been in the past.  How many people knew about the atomic bomb before it was detonated, and how many people worked on that project?  How many years did they keep the f117 secret?  It was developed in the early 1970's..Do you believe the F22 or the B2 stealth is the latest and greatest?  Not by a long shot..

The way they keep secrets is compartmentalization.  The project is divided into sections, with each person only aware of what they themselves are doing, and even some interviews with these guys stated they weren't allowed to read their own material which they wrote!  None of them know the whole picture.  Then there's the contracts they sign.  Its a big incentive to keep quiet if divulging sensitive information will land you in prison.  There is also the threats. No they won't threaten you personally, they will go after family members, friends, even your dog..That way a person will take it too the grave, and not release his information on their deathbed, as they can still go after them long after you've gone.  I've heard the interviews with these guys who do the dirty work, and believe me, you will keep your mouth shut.  They have many brilliant tactics in place to deal with anyone who might be perceived as a threat.

I believe we did go to the moon, although what was seen there was too sensitive for the public to be exposed to.  There's no doubt that they faked multiple images, and video footage.  The use of the same backgrounds both in video and images is one tell tale sign.  If I have some extra time I might dig that one up for ya, as its very clear they used the same back drop for two different sequences with completely different foregrounds.

I won't even get into memory manipulation.. ;D
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: shruggedatlas on June 26, 2008, 07:59:08 PM
Secrets can be kept, and have been in the past.  How many people knew about the atomic bomb before it was detonated, and how many people worked on that project?  How many years did they keep the f117 secret?  It was developed in the early 1970's..Do you believe the F22 or the B2 stealth is the latest and greatest?  Not by a long shot..

That's not the same thing.  There is nothing to be ashamed of, technically speaking, in being involved in those projects.  It was simply Americans working for American interests.  There is no controversial book to write - nothing to cash in on, really.  Everyone had an incentive to keep it secret, because we wanted to win the war, win the arms race, whatever.  But these conspiracies that you guys propose are counter to american interests.  I am referring to exploiting Mars for private interest and other similar outlandish theories. 

I am not going to touch on photo manipulation, because I do not know the chain of people that are exposed to those photos.  But I do know something about NASA construction projects, and I can tell you that as far as space travel, those contractors are building pretty much what you think they are building.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: shruggedatlas on June 26, 2008, 09:01:24 PM
I'll add one other thing, and this sort of applies across the board.  It's the easiest thing in the world to just say, hey, all those people, NASA, the military, the government, big industry, they are all working together to perfectly exploit us and blow smoke at the sheeple. And then you can stop your analysis, because there, it's done.  Puzzle solved.

But the reality is that that things do not work that way in NASA, in politics, in private industry.  I work with people in these fields, and they are people just like you and me.  Government is corrupt to a certain degree, but it's more inefficient and incompetent than anything else.  In most lawsuits I have seen between the government and private industry, the private industry has it together much more so than NASA and the Corps of Engineers and so forth.

What I am trying to say is that all these parties out there have their own interests and do not implicitly trust one another, and to assume some kind of mass conspiracy to take advantage of the little man is really naive.  The world is way more complex than that.  There are not just a few people calling the shots.

Anyway, I have to get back to work, but trust me on this, it's not so dark out there.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Koen1 on June 27, 2008, 03:53:02 PM
Well you're probably right on most of that. :)

But that does not at all mean that it is impossible for some
secret operation to build and maintain a Mars base and to
keep it from the public.
In fact, because there is no such big integrated network
of agencies and departments working together to keep their
various operations under wraps, it is possible for one
"shadow" organisation to operate almost completely
unseen, as long as they have either the ability to hide
their actions from the other agencies and the majority of
the public, or the ability to make sure the evidence
disappears. And you don't need to be in a big global
conspiracy with governments, secret services and aliens
to do that. ;)

To get back to the original topic/thread title, the colour of Mars,
allow me to think aloud for a second...
We know Mars as the "red planet", it does indeed look red-ish in the sky,
Nasa told us and showed us on all of their pics that it is quite deep red,
and so is the sky, and on the more recent Rover pics that apparently
the light itself falling on the surface and the Rover is red already...
After all, you can clearly see what in our normal light spectrum is a
bright yellow cable look orange under Mars light on the Rover pics,
so either the picture was taken under our normal light spectrum and
coloured red by Nasa before they released the images, or the light on
Mars is red and this results in the red colouration in the pictures, and
Nasa did not do anything to cause the red colour.
Well, let's think about that for a second.
The light we have here on earth comes straight from the sun, then passes
through some atmosphere of nitrogen and oxygen which, according to
biology, filters out most of the UV radiation and results in a colour spectrum
as we know it, with a peak in red light intensity on the planet surface
(followed in order of abundance by yellow and the other colours).
Of course the Rover pics from the Nasa construction lab were under artificial
lighting, but that is still our imitation of sunlight and what looks yellow in
sunlight also looks yellow in artificial "white" light.
Ok, now Mars.
Mars is supposed to have a thin atmosphere of mostly CO2 (95%), then
about 3% of nitrogen, 1% argon, only 0.2% oxygen and very little of anything else.
Our own Earth is supposed to have had an atmosphere of mostly CO2 for quite
a while, and if I recall my evolutionary ecology right all the time it was impossible
for plant life to survive above water because the CO2 did not filter or block out
enough UV. Only after waterbound plant life had evolved and had produced enough
oxygen in the atmosphere to block out (part of) the UV could plant life slowly
start to adapt to surface life. And at about that same time plant life started to
develop more efficient ways of using the light that was now available to them.
Which was, believe it or not, mostly the red frequency range... (yes it seems
to make more sense to go for high energy light like UV but apparently there is so
much more red light than UV that is is more economic to absorb that)
Anyway, this seems to imply that the little filtration/blocking and thus discolouration
of the uncoming sunlight that might occur on Mars with its flimsy little atmosphere
of CO2 should be high on photons in the higher frequncy ranges of the visible
spectrum as well as UV. After all, it is the same sunlight as we get here, just
not filtered by nitrogen and oxygen...

So why would the light be red?

If you google it you invariably come up with articles referring to the reason for
Mars or its rocks or soil looking red, which is just about always simply
that there must be a lot of iron oxide there, which was indeed proven by the
soil samples from the landers, and its waterless "rusting" process was even
experimentally proven (UV + oxygen + iron => rust, basically).
That takes care of why the rocks and the soil are red on picutes.
Seems like a very good explanation.

But it does not explain the yellow cable that looks orange on the Rover pics.
That still implies the light itself is red on Mars.
And I can't find any good explanation as to why that would be so.

So, untill anyone comes up with a very good reason for the light on Mars to be red,
I am inclined to conclude Nasa did indeed alter the pictures colour,
either using a lens filter on the camera or altering the colour afterward.

Anyone for a reply? :D
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Freezer on June 27, 2008, 04:17:45 PM
Anyone for a reply? :D

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=29240
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 27, 2008, 10:25:18 PM
Well, the news is starting to gear up for some great government news release. Bull crap, they intend to
choke an release almost nothing. We have to force the information out of them. This picture has to be
cracked and they can't be allowed to squeak by and hold us down any longer. Free energy and space travel now. They say the oil fields are worth trillions, I say trillions in national debt to their rich buddies. They need cornered and straightened out. It's science, I'm sorry there is no romance of a face on mars, it's not there. What is there is technology that belongs to us. We don't need a benevolent alien race to come save us. Our own technology can come out and save us. Don't you find that more assuring. There is nothing wrong will being self sufficient. If there is an alien race out there somewhere we will be able to go find them. We have the tool here to fight the truth out of them. Let's go for a real disclosure. We funded all this, we deserve far more than a couple of tid bits tossed to us. By us I mean the people of the entire world, not just a few. The people that worked for poor wages in a third world country has invested in this too. All the people that made this world work while all this has been developed have a stake in this. I'm not settling for you can plant things up on mars as a disclosure and you shouldn't either. You deserve better than that. Let's get the buildings on that picture cleared up.

Why did they kill Kennedy, they never came out with motives. How about this one. He was going to tell us we were colonizing Mars. They have stolen your life from you since the day he died. They are never going to be able to repay you. Make them get all, every last bit of this technology out on the table for the people. Every last scratch and sniff of it, you deserved this since 1960.

Again I urge you we need this picture's background cracked. We have to throw a clear undeniable picture into the faces of those that believe a cell phone is a great technological advance. Our science has been put in prison without a trial. NASA did not release true information as ordered by a federal judge under the freedom of information act. A class action suit should be started, we want the information, let the lawyers make what they want as court costs.

Those 2 bozos running for president are chosen face liars for the crooks behind this swindle. Watch them closely, do not trust anything they say you didn't torture them for.

I'm moving at military speed on this. You guys are human and tough enough to take it. Just follow me soldier and see were I lead you. I did say use a game player sniper, you used a real one and still got a result. A real sniper isn't used to dealing with pixelated images. This image is down to pixels because it is the reflection of a small gold piece on the rover. It's not necessarily completely flat. Gold and the sun is at his back and a strong reflection is behind him from a window. It's not my picture it is a cropping of there picture. I cannot trust China not to make some kind of deal with these scum. We have to see this through.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 27, 2008, 10:49:45 PM
All that fake red on mars is caused by the fake camera adjustments. They added red by shooting into the infrared and displaying infrared as red. There are whole lot of sites on the net discussing L1 to L5 that explain every thing. That's enough in information that you will be able to search them. Mars is correctly described as the butterscotch planet and you can search that too.

http://www.msss.com/mars/pictures/usgs_color_mosaics/334.jpg

This is what mars looks like when they aren't lying to you! Notice they cut out the atmosphere so you can't tell it's blue. Old European explorations of Mars give you the blue atmosphere information. Images are available on the net.

The militias of Pennsylvania and the Pennsylvania citizens were called backward Bible toting gunmen. Well we seem to be cutting edge don't we and we are willing to pry this technology form cold dead hands if we have to.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Bulbz on June 28, 2008, 12:30:28 AM
With the amount of impact scars on Mars' surface, it makes me wonder if it was a war that wiped-out most of it.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 28, 2008, 02:53:01 AM
It can't be ruled out that the human race could have lost several civilizations before our present one. For the moment I focused on this one and know the history books are hog wash and need rewritten just from information coming from underwater cities. It's the here and now and what they slole from us that needs recovered first.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Freezer on June 28, 2008, 02:56:20 AM

You say you want disclosure, but it might not be all that you think it is.  From my research the main reason for this cover-up is the realization that there are many other different races of beings inhabiting both our planet, and a lot of the planets in our solar system.  Lets assume this is true, so what would become of the world after learning this?  People would be stunned, and like a deer frozen in the headlights, not bother to go to work the following days.  I think the governments fear this scenario believing the world would literally stop, and economies would tumble. 

Then there's the unlimited technology factor, where technology will out-mode the human being, and since our world runs by humans producing goods, we would be devastated.  In order to bring this about in a sensitive manner, our way of life would first have to change, which is why I think some groups are seeking to create the nwo.  The aliens know this which is why they remain cloaked and unattainable.  They are doing it for our own good.  We haven't reached that level where we can accept the truth.  Take the typical flying saucer technology.  This is anti-gravity propulsion, basically creating distortions of space and time.  Can you imagine if that got out and were available to the public.  People can't even handle cars without speeding, crashing, driving drunk and killing people.  Of course this technology would be a wonder to have, not having to worry about g-force, no time loss, less if no fatigue, crossing insane distances instantaneously,.. But what would the evils of the world do with this technology?  It would be chaos.  If you release any given piece of this information, you have to give it all up.  I actually believe people should be aware of all this information, but I think its gonna have be gradually weaved into our reality.

I'm still wondering what you mean by "crack the image".. ;D  Also China knows, just as America knows, as well as most others, so no China's not gonna give us the real images either.  We have to make our own adaptive optical telescopes, made from like 50 - 8" computer controlled schmidt cassegrain's in sync.. ;)
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on June 28, 2008, 02:59:11 AM

The key to all tyranny is to keep everybody thinking they are contributing to a common good...while they are doing just the opposite.

This is easily done by compartmentalization as said above...all involved have no idea what they are a contributer to.

A look a ancient artifacts is all one needs to determine off planet visitation.

There is something to be said for childhood vaccinations destroying most people's ability to put information together and to detect patterns which enables one to see a things from a broader perspective.

And to those effected, life is but a series of unrelated events, to be reacted to with the appropriate emotion, and then moving on with day to day routines.

Regards...

Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 28, 2008, 06:23:49 AM
http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicphotos.html

Here, history is important, this particular bit is moon history, but, still important. I don't know the name of the astronaut or which Apollo mission, However, it's findable. The thing is a colonized mars is much more important. The technology to go to the moon is far less than the technology to travel steady to a farther destination, terra form, and hide all that activity. They were doing this in 1960, they have even better Technology than that now, the people payed for every last bit and they have been denied access to it. So, catch up on history. We have to beat this information out of them and some of them will not survive the beating. They killed a US president to keep this secret. Stay on Mars colonization, it happened, there are Earthlings living on Mars and I have no indication of aliens living on Earth. Beware the lying thieves, they have plans and options to create a false flag alien attack or produce an alien. According to the amount of research money they have spent they should have been capable of presenting us with a human hybred in 1955. They got used to lying to us and we believe them, now put the technology on the table we won't believe you no matter what you say. That's how much credibility they have left.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 28, 2008, 11:55:02 AM
I'm going to get you ready for it because it's going to happen. The Chinese are aware of the situation now. They need both elbow room and farm land. No matter what deal the NWO thinks they made the Chinese are going the throw the proceeds back in their faces and get what they need. 2 to 3 months from now tops. The NWO never got the great kings in place China never marched East, the prophecy the NWO was pushing to happen didn't. You can quit feeling the end times gloom. The Chinese are looking West now and they are going to do what they have to do, what ever it takes.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Groundloop on June 28, 2008, 02:41:07 PM
@Koen1,

I would like to address some of you comments about Mars and color. In the beginning of the NASA Mars rovers mission  NASA had computed that the solar panels on the rovers would be gradually covered with dust and loose power. Further,  NASA always have claimed that Mars was a "bone dry" and dusty RED planet. Then the European came along and started to send back pictures and radar data from Mars. (Mars Express satellite.) More on this later.

Now take the camera on the rovers. The panoramic camera consists of a (Pancam uses 1024?2048 pixel Mitel CCD array 1024x1024 is used for imaging.) detector where each light sensitive pixel is much bigger than on an average Earth camera so that the camera can be light sensitive. In from of the camera is a rotor with many color (Each filter wheel has eight positions, allowing multi spectral sky imaging and surface mineralogical studies in the 400-1100 nm wavelength region. The left wheel contains one clear empty position.) filters, including several infrared filter. But three of them is Red, Blue and Green. The Red, Blue and Green filter is 100% the same as if you buy filters here on Earth for black/white photographing to color images. (You take three pictures and combine them to color later on.) So if you use those three filters you get a reasonable good color image.

But that is not the whole story. The rovers is on Mars and that is an awfully long way from here. The rovers has UHF and  VHF transmitters and you can not put in very strong transmitters because the rovers run on solar energy. To save energy the transmitters has to be used as little as possible. So to be able to send the images (and other data) to Earth they use image compression. (Image compression using a JPL-developed wavelet compression algorithm called ICER.) The modes for the compression is commanded from Earth. The compression ranges from almost no loss to very lossy compression. But still the images (after decompression and computing to color) looks pretty good. The color information is OK and if they use the infrared filters the science data is very good.

Now to the "Raw" data that we see on the Internet. The images is compressed once more to save space on the NASA servers, and this time with JPG compression. NOW the images looks very bad. There is so much compression artifacts that is is almost impossible to resize the images.

Now back to the "bone dry" and dusty RED planet. The rovers solar panels has NOT accumulated the amount of dust over time as predicted by NASA. So what did the do? NASA "invented" an explanation that the solar panels cleaned them self each night! Maybe by wind. No other explanation was put forth. I think is more "down to earth" to say that the amount of dust in the atmosphere is NOT as high as NASA claimed.

So now we had the very RED images of the ground and sky. Then the Mars Express satellite toke this (attached 1 craterice.gif) image and released it on the net. This "forced" NASA to "relax" a bit on the redness and they released this (attached 2 marsbluesky.jpg) image. Now the sky on Mars is suddenly blue. Why did NASA do this? They did it because of the following reason. The only way the ice in the crater can be blue is if the atmosphere on Mars is different from CO2. The ONLY gas that can color the ice blue is Oxygen. We still has the same lightning source both on Mars and Earth, the Sun. So now we have a planet that has a blue sky. Is there water on Mars? Radar data from Mars Express says yes. There is a lot of water on Mars under the ground and also in craters. The North and South poles also have a lot of ice. It seems that the planet Mars is NOT so "bone dry" and dusty after all.

Now I like to address the possibility of NASA using paintbrush (or computer aided equivalences) on images. Can I find any examples of images that are manipulated? Yes in fact I can. In this image (attached 3 marsembossedcolorskyline.jpg) I can clearly see that NASA (or ?) has removed the sky and replaced it with a uniform ugly pink. You can tell because the noise is missing in the sky part of the image. Why they do this is a mystery to me.

So, now we know. The sky on Mars is blue. There is water (ice) on Mars. There is wind on Mars. There is probably also vegetation on Mars. The only way ice can be blue in a photograph is by sun light filtering through oxygen atoms in the atmosphere. Can there be higher lifeforms on Mars?

Groundloop.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Koen1 on June 28, 2008, 03:13:28 PM
Thanks Groundloop!
That is a very nice reply.
Great to have your input. :)
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 28, 2008, 05:56:36 PM
OK then explain on the picture pia07855-1600-1200.jpg[1:2](background) how they screwed up and left the key for the code that's embeded on the NASA logo and more code instruction www.jpl.nasa.gov around and through the print. This is the code we need cracked on husbandhill_spirit_big.jpg and we have no key for it.

Take it to 1600 times to really view it clearly. I would imagine if you generate the code and invert the colors and turn down the transparency correctly you remove the damage caused in the background by just adding it as a layer.

By the way husband hill is getting very rare on the net.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Groundloop on June 28, 2008, 06:12:30 PM
@raburgeson,

Can you give a direct link to the image in question? Also can you explain a little what you mean by "code"?
Can you also explain what you mean with: "and we have no key for it"?

Groundloop.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 29, 2008, 01:26:41 AM
* Prior written approval must be obtained to use the NASA insignia logo (the blue "meatball" insignia),
the NASA logotype (the red "worm" logo) and the NASA seal. These images may not be used by persons who are not NASA employees or on products (including Web pages) that are not NASA sponsored. In addition, no image may be used to explicitly or implicitly suggest endorsement by NASA, JPL or Caltech of commercial goods or services. Requests to use NASA logos may be directed to Bert Ulrich, Public Services Division, NASA Headquarters, Code POS, Washington, DC 20546, telephone (202) 358-1713, fax (202) 358-4331, email

I see no mention of the address being in the statement of copyright so I will post a crop. If you would like to see the font without the code resize the image to 400X? what ever it comes out to. The code in the picture rips up the buildings the same way it rips the font. The logo itself is copyrighted however there are many pictures released by NASA that have it, even some panoramas. Now I'm going to type this slower.

They generate a code that positions pixels on a background. They layer the picture on top with the transparency low enough that the generated background shows through and changes the final out put, in this case the picture. This is why the buildings look garbled, otherwise they would look like a perfect little lego town.

I will double post and change the image size of the font for you, here. zoom this up 600% and you can see it.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 29, 2008, 01:32:32 AM
I increased the size of the font image to 400. There is a definite difference in the output. If the images were clear towns and cities would have been found years ago.

Unfortunately changing the image size of the city didn't help it, wait I will go try doing that on city crops again. The data is placed forward, it's all I have and enough. I'm not inventing photos so I will sit back and wait. Things will happen, I asked the guys at request a crack to do this. I think they will look at it for me. They say NASA codes are hard to break but, I think the guys there are equal to anything they come across. By all means zoom to 600% on this one too, I roughly changed the size to 200% and at 600% view it's much larger and still it is much clearer. It should be more pixelated at a larger size. There is code here and there is code in every picture they release, falsified data.

The code can be generated by up to a 256 bit machine or higher and the out put in *.jpg can be viewable in a 32 bit machine. I'm what they would call pretty lame, I try but, I'm never going to be a good hacker. My best guestimate is this one was generated at 128 bits, out of my league completely.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 29, 2008, 06:13:50 AM
I went and hunted, I've been on thousands of sites and have thousands of pictures. It won't help with husband hill but get it here. I haven't been able to figure out where I got it.

http://rapidshare.com/files/125763784/pia05104-1280-1024.jpg.html

This is a color picture, color brings new code problems like 128 bits times the number of colors in the code. Husband hill is a gray scale and that means probably 16 colors from black to white in the code.
That's much simpler but there is no starting point the key is missing. I hope you all are starting to realize what this code does and how much it can hide. The eye can be confused with all those pixels, just like all those black shadows added to the black airbrushes. You see enough of them they look natural and blend in. Remember the man with the fork truck with the sun at his back. None of these pictures were taken with the sun into the camera except sun set pictures and so on where they do it on purpose. They did hire a good photographer. You should see no shadows in the foreground at all on these photos. I can show you shadows drawn clear around a rock. 360 degree shadows just don't really exist. If you study the refections from all the pictures a large rock is kind of rare. In the reflection no large rocks behind, in the front giant rocks everywhere. What do you find at 700 zoom in these big rocks? A code pixeled out building.

Larry's lookout

Pop can 3226,2434
different pop bottle 1872,3025  (this one has no air brush line that would confuse you in it, it has friends.) There is a whole dump just above it.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Holz-Michl on June 29, 2008, 09:42:35 AM
Hi there!

@raburgeson: Man you have spent a lot of time on your "project" but it is very hard for an ordinary guy like me to see what you are seeing.
I worked with a company producing paints etc. i.e. my eyes are trained to find bits of colour that shouldnt be there. You are right, there are several parts in those pictures you posted which seem manipulated. But as hard as i am trying, i can't see what you are seeing. There's not the slightest chance for it even if i look at the pictures for an hour.
The fact that there are several white pixels in the logo cant be denied; but i can't tell if it is there by accident or to hide space invasion.
I am sure NASA doesnt tell us the truth, that there are things going on, no one can imagine. But guessing what shapes can be seen on these pictures reminds my of a partygame at "new year": Throw hot liquid metal in cold water and see what nice forms you get, maybe a dog or a car or whatever.

I respect your work, especially the Marscolor thing, but are you sure you are on the right track with the pictures?

Greets from Germany (please excuse the lame english)

See you!

Mike
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Groundloop on June 29, 2008, 10:52:53 AM
@raburgeson,

I have spent some hours trying to see if there was a pattern in the "blur" of images. Although I agree with you that the quality of the "raw" jpg images is terrible, I can not find any pattern in the blur.

Thank you for the link to the picture. As far as I can see, this picture is a wallpaper edition of the original tif image found on the jpl's web site here: http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA05104,OrigCaption

This is what NASA says about the image:

"This approximate true color image taken by the panoramic camera onboard the Mars Exploration Rover Spirit shows "Adirondack," the rover's first target rock. Spirit traversed the sandy martian terrain at Gusev Crater to arrive in front of the football-sized rock on Sunday, Jan. 18, 2004, just three days after it successfully rolled off the lander. The rock was selected as Spirit's first target because its dust-free, flat surface is ideally suited for grinding. Clean surfaces also are better for examining a rock's top coating. Scientists named the angular rock after the Adirondack mountain range in New York. The word Adirondack is Native American and means "They of the great rocks."

Groundloop.

Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on June 29, 2008, 03:24:48 PM
The pattern is generated, it doesn't repeat the same pattern. There are patents on the net for photograph encryption. That's why we need it cracked. They use algorithms to plot the placement and color of the pixels. If you look at the crop below you can follow the code right up into the picture not to mention that the code is hanging right off the edge were everyone in the world can look at it.

Everything is right on schedule, they were going to release information and now they have clammed up. No it's time for me to wait for the Chinese. I know you are trying to find what I'm talking about. The problem is the debunkers and disinformers are here, big , big , money want this to disappear and be forgotten right now. They want me laughed out of existence. There are only these 2 pictures that have real value. Larry's Lookout simply was not finished. Only the first layer of disinformation got put on it. Husband Hill was a failure for them because the code simply failed to hide the facts.

I put directions to another pop bottle up and a pop can. I said there was no air brush on the pop bottle. There is, however there is none on the pop can. I was fishing for a big money spook and I haven't read the results yet. OF course I didn't really expect any, they can't really come back and say there is too a airbrush over that pop bottle can they?

Zoom in on this. This is not normal, step out and take a picture and inspect the results.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: PGWDP on June 29, 2008, 07:58:40 PM
That so-called "code" in those images?

It's called "lossy image compression artifacts".

You can create the same patterns yourself:

1) Open Microsoft Paint.
2) Use the 'fill' tool to make the background black
3) Use the 'line' tool to make a line across the entire image. Make the line at an angle. The color isn't important, as long as it's not also black.
4) Use the 'fill' tool to fill in one side of the line with the same color.

At this point, you can take a screenshot of the Paint window (use Alt-Printscreen) and paste the clipboard contents into your favorite image viewer/editor and verify that there is no hidden "code" or pattern in the image. Zoom in 600%, change the contrast, etc. You won't see anything except the image you created.

Now, back to Microsoft Paint:
5) Save your image as a JPEG file.
6) Open the JPEG file in your favorite image viewer/editor and inspect it. Zoom in 600% on the boundary between the two colors and adjust the contrast, etc.  You should see the same types of patterns that are visible in the Mars images.

My point-and-shoot digital camera saves its images as JPEG files. I could "step out and take a picture and inspect the results", and I would see the same types of compression artifacts in the pictures I took, although not at quite the same extremes since my camera doesn't compress the images quite as severely as the NASA images are compressed.

(If the two attachments are successfully attached, one of them is a severely compressed JPEG screenshot of me making this post. In the JPEG screenshot, you can see the same "patterns" in the picture of the Water Motor on the left side, and you can see it in the post editor buttons and around all of the text. Test.jpg is the result of follow the steps above.)
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: utilitarian on June 29, 2008, 08:39:39 PM
raburgeson:

I think even in your wild fantasies, Mars would still qualify as a planet which is 99.999% undisturbed by man.  Don't you think those evil geniuses at NASA could find some Mars surface to photograph that doesn't have any freaking soda cans on it?  I can just see them talking.

Fred:  OK, let's distribute these photos here
Bob:  Wait, I see a soda can here, and there is a guy's arm in the shot over there, see?
Fred:  No problem, we'll just photoshop that out.
Bob:  Don't bother, we have like 6000 photos that don't have soda cans or people in it, let's use one of those
Fred:  No, Bob, don't you get it, we need to use the photos with suspicious stuff in them and photoshop them, it's better that way
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Groundloop on June 29, 2008, 10:06:50 PM
@utilitarian,

Al tough I agree with PGWDP that most of the images has jpg artifacts still some of the images has
a very high degree of "blur" that is not in relationship with the byte size of the image. If we take a good
1024 x 1024 x 16 (bit) black and white image and jpg compress that image down to approx. 700 Kbyte,
the image will still look much better than the "raw" images posted for Spirit and Opportunity. The ICER
compression used by the rovers computer IS capable of compressing to almost lossless images. The
main reduction in quality is when NASA take the already ICER compressed images and then compress
them again to jpg.

But there is another worrying aspect with the "raw" images on the jpl web site. I have reason to believe that
all of the images has gone through a computer graphic process called rendering. The "raw" image is computed
and then the rebuilt using computer graphic modeling. You just "build" the image by adding layers onto the
background. Attached is a image released on the web that shows what happen when the computer program
crash and just the unfinished image is posted. (Yes, people do make errors.) Here you can clearly see that only
some of the layers in the image was added. I have also attached a image without the errors for comparison.
(I had to compress the image a lot to fit the 100K requirements on this forum.)

The image at left was posted on the Opportunity web site at Sol 38. A couple of days later a new image was posted,
this time corrected without any rendering faults. What I'm trying to say here is that there is more to this than just jpg
artifacts.

Groundloop.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Koen1 on June 30, 2008, 01:27:50 PM
Fred:  OK, let's distribute these photos here
Bob:  Wait, I see a soda can here, and there is a guy's arm in the shot over there, see?
Fred:  No problem, we'll just photoshop that out.
Bob:  Don't bother, we have like 6000 photos that don't have soda cans or people in it, let's use one of those
Fred:  No, Bob, don't you get it, we need to use the photos with suspicious stuff in them and photoshop them, it's better that way

Burt: Yes, that makes sense, we did that with the moon pictures too.
Fred: Hmm you've got a point there... Ok, here's the folder of pictures with soda cans and stripmines on them. Better take
the clearest ones and just smudge them a bit.
Burt: Don't take the ones with too much stuff on them eh, otherwise it'll be very messy once we overlay the transparencies
we photoshopped out of old war movies.
Bob: Oh right I nearly forgot about that. Which one are we going to use today?
Burt: Schedule says today we're using shots from "Ben Hur" and "The Dirty Dozen".
Fred: Oh good, at least we won't get people phoning in like they did after we used "E.T." shots...
Bob: Well it depends eh, we still haven't run into any trouble for pasting that propellor airplane on those moon pics.
Burt: Yeah, nor for that face we put on Mars. Some idiot actually made a career out of that, can you believe it?
Fred: Well whatever, just make sure you overlay that artifact layer. That always kills every investigation, just
pointing out artifact layers. How long wil it take the politicians to grow enough brains to understand you can just
overlay such a layer?
Burt&Bob: Haha, well forever apparently... They still haven't figured out that you can't get exactly the same
background picture when you walk back to your moon lander after an hours walk... It seems they simply
can't put two and two together.
Fred: Hehe you guys are right....
Bob: Ah what the heck, le's just use one of those pics that show the stripmine, people are too stupid to see it anyway.
Burt: Good call.

;D
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Groundloop on June 30, 2008, 03:39:08 PM
@Koen1,

This Spirit crop never stops to amuse me. LOL

Groundloop.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Koen1 on June 30, 2008, 11:44:00 PM
Lol nice one :D

I stil like these, the "Apollo8 Lunar Base photo"
and the "Apollo20 Flyby over Crashed Ancient Spaceship"
(from the "famous" video) ;D
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Groundloop on July 01, 2008, 12:22:08 AM
@Koen1,

As far as I remember there was no Apollo20 so the "Crashed Ancient Spaceship" video is most probably a fake.

My crops IS from web posted JPL/NASA images.

@raburgeson,

This is your thread and it is called "Mars color" so I will try to stay on topic.
Attached is a crop from a Spirit image. I have tried to remove as much jpg artifacts
and "blur" as human possible. The outcome is the image attached. I have rebuilt the
three black/white Spirit images (taken with red,blue and green filters) as good as I could.
Then I have croped the image and resized it 3 times. (The image is then recompressed
to jpg to get it smaller than the 100K requirement of this web forum.)

Groundloop.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Koen1 on July 01, 2008, 02:31:45 PM
@Koen1,

As far as I remember there was no Apollo20 so the "Crashed Ancient Spaceship" video is most probably a fake.
Yeah, I know the Apollo 20 mission was cancelled in early 1970 and Nasa never (officially) launched the last 3
scheduled Apollos (18 through 20). Something to do with them needing the Saturn rockets to ship Skylab parts up to orbit
or something. Somehow they figured landing on the moon for the n-th time just to drive around in a rover and hop about
a little was not worth the effort anymore, and instead a fairly useless Skylab was...

But you must have heard about the U.S.Army/Airforce's military brother of Nasa's program? Space Command?
There's tons of accounts of people who were in the army and airforce at the time and who claim to have
somehow been involved in a covert military space program. These stories range from army personnel trained in
spacecraft recovery to people who have actually witnessed army/airforce rockets being launched. And they're
not just talking about launching satellites.

Of course I have no concrete evidence of that, nor can I say with any degree of certainty that the alleged Apollo20
video is anything of the sort.
I'd like it to be true though. ;)
And it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with aliens either: ancient Indian Vedic texts account of a huge
war between two large earthbound empires, both on land and in the skies, where "magic" weapons were used
such as "spears of light" that could "vapourise cities", and where use was made of "vimana" meaning "flying vehicles",
that even fought dogfights in the sky and on the moon. Wouldn't it be great if they did indeed find such an ancient
crashed craft, landed near it, entered it, and found the inside scribbled with Sanskrit ? ;D

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My crops IS from web posted JPL/NASA images.
Anyway, could you please tell me where you found that shoe picture?
Perhaps a direct weblink or full picture name and picture quadrant?
'Cuz I've been googling but cannot find any references to that martian shoe of yours. ;)
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: PGWDP on July 01, 2008, 03:25:17 PM
Anyway, could you please tell me where you found that shoe picture?
Perhaps a direct weblink or full picture name and picture quadrant?
'Cuz I've been googling but cannot find any references to that martian shoe of yours. ;)

Go to http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/spirit.html (http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/spirit.html). In the "Navigation Camera" box, find Sol 121, select it and click the "View Selected Sol" button below the box. The two images will be in the third and fourth columns, three down from the top. (http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/spirit_n121.html (http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/spirit_n121.html) and http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/n/121/2N137116002EFF4204P1827L0M1.HTML (http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/n/121/2N137116002EFF4204P1827L0M1.HTML))

(So that's where my lost left shoe went too! Mars is the land of lost left shoes! That's the big secret that NASA and the government have been trying to keep from us!  :o  :D )

[Edit: Oops, messed up the URLs. Fixed.]
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Groundloop on July 01, 2008, 03:44:14 PM
@Koen1,

There is many images because the rover took several images with different filters so I think it is possible to make a colour image also.

Goto: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/spirit_n121_text.html

And download:

11)     2N137116002EFF4204P1827L0M1.JPG
12)    2N137116002EFF4204P1827R0M1.JPG
13)    2N137116052EFF4204P1827L0M1.JPG
14)    2N137116052EFF4204P1827R0M1.JPG
15)    2N137116103EFF4204P1827L0M1.JPG
16)    2N137116103EFF4204P1827R0M1.JPG
17)    2N137116923EFF4204P1846L0M1.JPG
18)    2N137116923EFF4204P1846R0M1.JPG
19)    2N137117086EFF4204P1846L0M1.JPG
20)    2N137117086EFF4204P1846R0M1.JPG
21)    2N137117283EFF4204P1846L0M1.JPG
22)    2N137117283EFF4204P1846R0M1.JPG
23)    2N137117523EFF4204P1846L0M1.JPG
24)    2N137117523EFF4204P1846R0M1.JPG
25)    2N137117654EFF4204P1846L0M1.JPG
26)    2N137117654EFF4204P1846R0M1.JPG
27)    2N137117718EFF4204P1846L0M1.JPG
28)    2N137117718EFF4204P1846R0M1.JPG
29)    2N137117854EFF4204P1846L0M1.JPG
30)    2N137117854EFF4204P1846R0M1.JPG

(OBS, some of the images is the area around the "shoe" image)

You can also make a stereo anaglyph (3D) image since both left and right camera was used.

Yes, I have read most of the books covering acient history and myths. I think we can find evidence of the stories here on Earth, the Moon and on Mars.
 
Groundloop.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: PGWDP on July 01, 2008, 04:44:20 PM
BTW, this image (http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/f/121/2F137115892EFF4204P1212L0M1.JPG (http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/f/121/2F137115892EFF4204P1212L0M1.JPG)) from the "Front Hazecam" appears to also include the "shoe rock".

Here is the description page for that image: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/f/121/2F137115892EFF4204P1212L0M1.HTML (http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/f/121/2F137115892EFF4204P1212L0M1.HTML).

The attachment is a scaled down crop (to fit in the attachment size limits) that has the "shoe rock" circled. You should hopefully be able to find it in the full-sized image based on the context shown in the crop.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Groundloop on July 01, 2008, 07:18:23 PM
@PGWDP,

Thanks for the link. Attached is a scaled up crop with added false colours.

It still looks more like a shoe than a rock.

Groundloop.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Koen1 on July 01, 2008, 10:29:46 PM
Thanks a lot there guys! :D

Heh, whaddayaknow, there really is a shoe on Mars! :D

I say the hunt for the sock is on! ;D

And maybe we can find a yellow hard hat while we're at it ;)
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Groundloop on July 01, 2008, 11:21:19 PM
@Koen1,

I may not be able to find a yellow hard hat but maybe a fossil cat head instead?
(Or something very simmilar to a cat scull, I think.)

Groundloop.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Bobbotov on July 02, 2008, 01:56:52 AM
@Koen1,

I may not be able to find a yellow hard hat but maybe a fossil cat head instead?
(Or something very simmilar to a cat scull, I think.)

Groundloop.

You seem to be exhibiting Pareidolia. Most artists can do this at will (but they know they are doing it). Paint peeling on walls, clouds, rock formations, etc. are all rich environments for mentally projecting images on to them that are not really there. It can be a great exercise to assist painters to "pull" the painting out of the raw canvas. They just throw paint on at random or make loose washes and then concentrate on the results to see if any patterns emerge to develop. Sort of like a Rorschach test. I used to do this trick as a kid. I would ask someone to draw five lines at random of any shape and I would make a face out of it. I could do this so easily and still can to this day.

 There was a book written in the 1970's by Wilson Bryan Key called "Subliminal Seduction" which tried to advance the idea that advertisers hid images in their ads to augment their message subconsciously. He asserted there were nudes in the ice cubes of liquor ads. Other sexual oriented images were supposedly hidden in all manner of pictorial ads. It was hogwash of course as the author was suffering from Pareidolia.

As to the reality of what you are seeing (shoes, cat skulls, coke bottles, etc.) the probability is so low as to be virtually non-existent consdering all of the fabulous conditions that would be necessary to make such ordinary objects appear in all the wrong places. Remember, people saw a man in the moon for a long time and canals on Mars. The constellations were clustered into recognizable shapes: Archers, dippers, chariots, etc. It is part of the human gestalt in perception to organize chaos into meaningful designs to help in identification and memory. We are programmed to see patterns. It is one of the hallmarks of being human. But it is not real.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Groundloop on July 02, 2008, 07:56:19 AM
@Bobbotov,

I will not go into long debate about pareidolia since English is not my first language. That said, lighten up a bit. Take my postings as entertainment. I have never stated that there exist any objects on Mars. I use words as "there seems to be" and "it looks like" etc. I have spent approx. 6000 hours studying the images from Mars. It is a fascinating planet because it is our closest neighbour and even NASA states that there is a possibility that Mars may have had life or even has life. There exists a lot of images that shows that Mars had rivers at some point in time. Maybe even oceans, who knows. And that is the main reason man sends remote controlled science equipments to Mars. We like to know. We like to see. We like to explore.

Now, what is real and what is not. JPL/NASA claims that the images is real raw data. I must accept that but there is no way I can be sure. Is pixels (as bits) in a computer real? Now, if you find 600 anomalies in a batch of 6000 images, is the images real or is the anomalies real? What is the probability of finding such a high number of abnormalities? I do not know. And so do you. The only way to know is to go up there and find out. Since I can't go there and you can't go there, all we have is the images to see.

BTW. The next time you get a compelling urge to do a psycho analytic evaluation of me, please suppress that urge. :-)  :D

Regrads,
Groundloop.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Koen1 on July 02, 2008, 10:11:20 AM
You seem to be exhibiting Pareidolia. Most artists can do this at will (but they know they are doing it). Paint peeling on walls, clouds, rock formations, etc. are all rich environments for mentally projecting images on to them that are not really there. It can be a great exercise to assist painters to "pull" the painting out of the raw canvas. They just throw paint on at random or make loose washes and then concentrate on the results to see if any patterns emerge to develop. Sort of like a Rorschach test. I used to do this trick as a kid. I would ask someone to draw five lines at random of any shape and I would make a face out of it. I could do this so easily and still can to this day.

So let me get this straight, we are clearly jokingly talking about anomalous "rock" shapes on Mars,
and you turn it into a variation of "seeing shapes in the clouds" of which we don't realise they are not "real"?
Well obviously if we were truly convinced they are "real" shoes etc we would act a lot more serious,
but what we are quite convinced of is the fact that certain "rocks" on the Mars pics look quite unnatural
and in some cases very much unlike natural rocks.
You may interpret that as you like, but do not dismiss that observation simply by saying we are seeing
Rorschach-like "whatever your subconscious sees in it" things; there really are anomalous "rock" shapes
on those pictures.
Instead of climbing onto your psychoanalytical horse there, perhaps you could provide realistic alternatives
to natural rock formation that could produce such odd shapes?? How, in your lofty opinion, does a natural
rock on a planet with no water and continuous dust storms, become square for example?
How does one rock look vaguely like an animal skull, which admittedly could be a wind-eroded rock
smoothed at the edges, while the rock next to it looks pristine and untouched by that same alleged erosion?
What was that "Martian bunny"? Obviously it was not a bunny. But it sure doesn't look like a rock either.
What are those weird little "Martian blueberries"?
What natural process produces square holes in rocks?
Answer me some of those questions, before spouting psychological pseudo-scientific analyses. Please. :)

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There was a book written in the 1970's by Wilson Bryan Key called "Subliminal Seduction" which tried to advance the idea that advertisers hid images in their ads to augment their message subconsciously. He asserted there were nudes in the ice cubes of liquor ads. Other sexual oriented images were supposedly hidden in all manner of pictorial ads. It was hogwash of course as the author was suffering from Pareidolia.
Of course. And subliminal influence is also not real. And ad companies don't use suggestive advertising. Sure.
And santa lives on the north pole.

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As to the reality of what you are seeing (shoes, cat skulls, coke bottles, etc.) the probability is so low as to be virtually non-existent consdering all of the fabulous conditions that would be necessary to make such ordinary objects appear in all the wrong places. Remember, people saw a man in the moon for a long time and canals on Mars. The constellations were clustered into recognizable shapes: Archers, dippers, chariots, etc. It is part of the human gestalt in perception to organize chaos into meaningful designs to help in identification and memory. We are programmed to see patterns. It is one of the hallmarks of being human. But it is not real.
Right. Obviously not everything we think we can recognise as an object necessarily is such an object.
But those same people you mention imagining there was a man on the moon or canals on mars, they did at the same time see a moon, and mars.
Do you dismiss that? No, you don't. And while those people did indeed claim to see things on Mars, don't forget they did not have pictures taken
up close.
As to the reality of things, you must be aware of the fact that Sigmund Freud himself was a bit of a nutcase who simply applied his own
projected fantasies and presented them as scietific fact? Poor little Hansel who was afraid of horses, after a few session with mister Freud,
was accused of having -envy of his father, which seeing a horses' dong reminded him of. The fact that little Hansel continually told
him that he was afraid of horses ever since seeing a scary nasty dead horse did not deter Freud from presenting the boys father with
his favourite fantasy diagnosis. Pseudoscience. Not objective at all. Which is a known fact to epistemologists but not to psychologists
themselves, who are often convicned their field is objective.
So, what I guess I'm trying to say is: How can you be so certain that what you are proclaiming here is any more "real" than our joking
interpretations of anomalous rocks?
You come here to tell us we are seeing what we want to see and not what is really there.
Well, I get the feeling you're doing exactly the same. But at a different angle. ;)

Quote from: Groundloop
BTW. The next time you get a compelling urge to do a psycho analytic evaluation of me, please suppress that urge. :-)
I second that! :D ;)
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Bobbotov on July 02, 2008, 01:14:08 PM
@Bobbotov,

I will not go into long debate about pareidolia since English is not my first language. That said, lighten up a bit. Take my postings as entertainment. I have never stated that there exist any objects on Mars. I use words as "there seems to be" and "it looks like" etc. I have spent approx. 6000 hours studying the images from Mars. It is a fascinating planet because it is our closest neighbour and even NASA states that there is a possibility that Mars may have had life or even has life. There exists a lot of images that shows that Mars had rivers at some point in time. Maybe even oceans, who knows. And that is the main reason man sends remote controlled science equipments to Mars. We like to know. We like to see. We like to explore.

I have no issue with entertainment. Mars is fascinating as all celestial bodies are. No denying that.

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Now, what is real and what is not. JPL/NASA claims that the images is real raw data. I must accept that but there is no way I can be sure. Is pixels (as bits) in a computer real? Now, if you find 600 anomalies in a batch of 6000 images, is the images real or is the anomalies real? What is the probability of finding such a high number of abnormalities? I do not know. And so do you. The only way to know is to go up there and find out. Since I can't go there and you can't go there, all we have is the images to see.

So there are anomalies. Artifacts are one thing but I am not sure how you make the leap to your position vis-a-vis real objects. And you do not have to go to Mars to "see things" in photos on that basis.

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BTW. The next time you get a compelling urge to do a psycho analytic evaluation of me, please suppress that urge. :-)  :D
Regrads,
Groundloop.

So you can "speculate on Mars but I cannot speculate on your speculation? That is called "do as I say not do as I do?" What is good for the goose is good for the gander.


Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Bobbotov on July 02, 2008, 01:45:57 PM
So let me get this straight, we are clearly jokingly talking about anomalous "rock" shapes on Mars,
and you turn it into a variation of "seeing shapes in the clouds" of which we don't realise they are not "real"?
Well obviously if we were truly convinced they are "real" shoes etc we would act a lot more serious,
but what we are quite convinced of is the fact that certain "rocks" on the Mars pics look quite unnatural
and in some cases very much unlike natural rocks.

I could understand one or two joking observations, but pages of them? And seeing anything that is clearly not there does have a psychological/perception basis whether you admit to it or not. Maybe the joke is on you.

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You may interpret that as you like, but do not dismiss that observation simply by saying we are seeing
Rorschach-like "whatever your subconscious sees in it" things; there really are anomalous "rock" shapes
on those pictures.

 The rocks are not anomalous except in how you perceive them. They are just rocks, they have always been rocks and they always will be. It is not like you are looking at Mt. Rushmore.

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Instead of climbing onto your psychoanalytical horse there, perhaps you could provide realistic alternatives
to natural rock formation that could produce such odd shapes?? How, in your lofty opinion, does a natural
rock on a planet with no water and continuous dust storms, become square for example?

By the reasons I described. That and lighting and shadows and poor clarity to the photos.

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How does one rock look vaguely like an animal skull, which admittedly could be a wind-eroded rock
smoothed at the edges, while the rock next to it looks pristine and untouched by that same alleged erosion?
What was that "Martian bunny"? Obviously it was not a bunny. But it sure doesn't look like a rock either.
What are those weird little "Martian blueberries"?
What natural process produces square holes in rocks?
Answer me some of those questions, before spouting psychological pseudo-scientific analyses. Please. :)

If you hear a sound in the other room do you automatically assume it is because Bigfoot bumped into a table? You are looking at optical illusions and
 trying to rationalize with irrational explanations. What is the point of that? Some shapes will be more suggestive than others because of your gestalt formation abilities. Even some Rorschachs just look like ink blots.

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Of course. And subliminal influence is also not real. And ad companies don't use suggestive advertising. Sure.
And santa lives on the north pole.

If there is one thing advertising does not do it is subtlety. They need to make their point as quickly as possible. Ads are more like sledgehammers. Suggestive advertising is not the same thing as subliminal either. If I want a sexy babe to associate with a product I put a sexy babe in there and do not obfuscate it. And Santa does live at the North Pole. Everyone knows that.

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Right. Obviously not everything we think we can recognise as an object necessarily is such an object.

Finally something that makes sense.

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But those same people you mention imagining there was a man on the moon or canals on mars, they did at the same time see a moon, and mars.

And you see so called regular rocks on Mars too. You see rocks that look like shoes and they saw a Moon that looked like a man. No difference.

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Do you dismiss that? No, you don't. And while those people did indeed claim to see things on Mars, don't forget they did not have pictures taken
up close.

Proximity has nothing to do with illusions. You can see illusions close and far. I bet I could find scanning electron microscope pictures that do the same thing.

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As to the reality of things, you must be aware of the fact that Sigmund Freud himself was a bit of a nutcase who simply applied his own
projected fantasies and presented them as scietific fact? Poor little Hansel who was afraid of horses, after a few session with mister Freud,
was accused of having -envy of his father, which seeing a horses' dong reminded him of. The fact that little Hansel continually told
him that he was afraid of horses ever since seeing a scary nasty dead horse did not deter Freud from presenting the boys father with
his favourite fantasy diagnosis. Pseudoscience. Not objective at all. Which is a known fact to epistemologists but not to psychologists
themselves, who are often convicned their field is objective.

That just reinforces the argument that suggestiveness is prevalent in human beings.

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So, what I guess I'm trying to say is: How can you be so certain that what you are proclaiming here is any more "real" than our joking
interpretations of anomalous rocks?

You come here to tell us we are seeing what we want to see and not what is really there.
Well, I get the feeling you're doing exactly the same. But at a different angle. ;)

You seem to be awfully defensive if it really is a joke to you.

Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Koen1 on July 02, 2008, 02:09:57 PM
Ah well, I guess I must be wrong eh, because we all know only you can be right.  ::)
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Groundloop on July 02, 2008, 03:17:22 PM
@Bobbotov,

>>So you can speculate on Mars but I cannot speculate on your speculation?
What you did write was not a speculation. It was more like a statement.

Why not comment on the science part of the images? Why is the crater ice blue?
What colour has the atmosphere on Mars? Can there be clouds on Mars. Is there
liquid water on Mars. Can there be plants or other life on Mars? There is many questions
that most probably can be answered by studying the images JPL/NASA/ESA has provided.

And to repeat, I do not claim there is cola bottles or whatever on Mars but I do find many
of the strange shapes fascinating. I do not know what forces that are involved to make all
those strange shapes.

Is it probable that we can find fossils on Mars? Considering that Mars once had rivers
and also (probably) oceans of water then there is a high probability that the climate
and atmosphere was different on Mars in the past. Maybe even the planet orbit was different.
So what has a higher probability, real fossils or wind/sand eroded rocks?

It is just my humble opinion that we can not dismiss any findings on Mars just because
they do not fit our current understanding of science.

Groundloop.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Bobbotov on July 02, 2008, 03:53:58 PM
@Bobbotov,

>>So you can speculate on Mars but I cannot speculate on your speculation?
What you did write was not a speculation. It was more like a statement.

Since when are speculation and statements mutually exclusive? Did you miss the part where I said "You SEEM to be exhibiting Pareidolia?" Very first sentence of my first post. That is called a speculative statement. In fact what I was doing is making an observation like you are making observations about the photos.

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Why not comment on the science part of the images? Why is the crater ice blue?
What colour has the atmosphere on Mars? Can there be clouds on Mars. Is there
liquid water on Mars. Can there be plants or other life on Mars? There is many questions
that most probably can be answered by studying the images JPL/NASA/ESA has provided.

No they can't. That is why they take soil samples, air samples. Photography can be influenced by so many external factors not to mention our perceptions. Besides, you already said you are treating the photos as jokes. Now you want to get serious?

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And to repeat, I do not claim there is cola bottles or whatever on Mars but I do find many
of the strange shapes fascinating. I do not know what forces that are involved to make all
those strange shapes.

The force is your mind.

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So what has a higher probability, real fossils or wind/sand eroded rocks?

Neither. Perceptual error until more facts can be acquired to put the question to rest.

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It is just my humble opinion that we can not dismiss any findings on Mars just because
they do not fit our current understanding of science.
Groundloop.


Who is dismissing anything? I think the issue is in correctly identifying things not making jokes out of the findings or coming up with all manner of phantasmagorical and highly improbable explanations. If there is a shoe on Mars or an entire shoe store I think NASA will find it. And both shoes and shoe stores fall very comfortably within the realm of science as we know it. Science is so good it could tell you if it was a loafer or a wingtip.

Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Koen1 on July 02, 2008, 04:23:04 PM
Well I'm getting the impression bobbotov only wants to spoil
our fun.

After all, if he's so convinced that everything we are shown is as is,
and that speculation on odd looking rocks on Mars pictures is dumb,
then why the heck did he stick his nose in a thread about it anyway?
Does he also go to every other website where people talk about it?
Does he also tell them they're dumb and being silly?

Or perhaps he doesn't understand that not every thread is bone serious
and that people do not need to be told off all the time if they're spending
their time speculating about silly things? Maybe people choose to do it eh?
;)
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Bobbotov on July 02, 2008, 04:36:58 PM
Well I'm getting the impression bobbotov only wants to spoil
our fun.

Delusions are fun?

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After all, if he's so convinced that everything we are shown is as is,
and that speculation on odd looking rocks on Mars pictures is dumb,
then why the heck did he stick his nose in a thread about it anyway?

So by pointing out the illusion of perception is the same thing as calling you dumb? And I hardly think posting in a public forum is akin to sticking my nose in it. The world is not a mutual admiration society.

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Does he also go to every other website where people talk about it?

I don't know every other website. And if I did find one where this topic came up I would post the same thing. What does that make me? Consistent? Heaven forbid that.

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Does he also tell them they're dumb and being silly?

Remind me again of where I said you were dumb? And as far as silly is concerned you are the one said it was a joke not me ("we are clearly jokingly talking about anomalous "rock" shapes on Mars").

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Or perhaps he doesn't understand that not every thread is bone serious
and that people do not need to be told off all the time if they're spending
their time speculating about silly things? Maybe people choose to do it eh?
;)

People jerk off too.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on July 02, 2008, 04:56:11 PM
Alright I just posted 2 new crops in chemtrail central, So laughing boys they tell you they can't find water.
Maybe they should check their own pipes. And to show you how easily they dupe the public I posted a pond and dump. Yes, they throw crap right in the water, they have lots of it. Maybe for laughs I should change the data and instead of sandy crap, I'll let you use your imagination here. Harti knows I'm a tile maker, I've shown him examples of my work. Game makers could do a better job and you guys buy it. Oh, by the way these airbrushers do make things that look like things. Just check out the faces on Mars. After all they get bored sitting there messing up pictures all day.

They left blue spots in the pond, there is also another pond just above it. Perspective of level and altitude is screwed up by the artists. All a trick of shading and shadows. Each of these do deserve 100 hours of study apiece. So really do keep looking and it is hard to cut through the bull. Just keep in mind what are they hiding and keep notes. As you go you will notice you start throwing things out as disinformation and you will start to find real things.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: utilitarian on July 02, 2008, 05:23:38 PM
I have to admit that bobbotov makes a good case about the shoe rock.  But how do you explain THIS?  The sky is blue.  And also if you look at the bottom left corner (you have to blow up the picture alot), you will see how some of the rocks sort of form a line.  I know it may be hard to make it out, but what are the odds of a line of rocks being there like that?  The possible explanations are endless, and I will let the good people of this board run with this ball.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Bobbotov on July 02, 2008, 06:43:45 PM
Alright I just posted 2 new crops in chemtrail central, So laughing boys they tell you they can't find water.

Why would they lie about finding water when that is one of the things they are looking for? That makes no sense.

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Oh, by the way these airbrushers do make things that look like things. Just check out the faces on Mars. After all they get bored sitting there messing up pictures all day.

Nobody uses an airbrush for photo retouching anymore since it is all digital. Nowadays airbrushes are used for truck murals and finishing nails. The level of detail that even a Micron or Paasche AB airbrush provides cannot compare with the wealth of digital effects that can be done with Photoshop. It is the difference between an axe and a scalpel.  And the so called face on Mars I assume you mean this: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2001/ast24may_1.htm.

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They left blue spots in the pond, there is also another pond just above it. Perspective of level and altitude is screwed up by the artists. All a trick of shading and shadows. Each of these do deserve 100 hours of study apiece. So really do keep looking and it is hard to cut through the bull. Just keep in mind what are they hiding and keep notes. As you go you will notice you start throwing things out as disinformation and you will start to find real things.

The other guys were seeing perception illusions, You are just freaking hallucinating. Try staring at your face in a mirror for 100 hundred hours and report back to us.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Bobbotov on July 02, 2008, 06:52:23 PM
I have to admit that bobbotov makes a good case about the shoe rock.  But how do you explain THIS?  The sky is blue.  And also if you look at the bottom left corner (you have to blow up the picture alot), you will see how some of the rocks sort of form a line.  I know it may be hard to make it out, but what are the odds of a line of rocks being there like that?  The possible explanations are endless, and I will let the good people of this board run with this ball.

You need to explain from where the picture came from (provide a NASA link). It could be an Earth picture for all I know.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Bulbz on July 02, 2008, 06:58:03 PM
I have to admit that bobbotov makes a good case about the shoe rock.  But how do you explain THIS?  The sky is blue.  And also if you look at the bottom left corner (you have to blow up the picture alot), you will see how some of the rocks sort of form a line.  I know it may be hard to make it out, but what are the odds of a line of rocks being there like that?  The possible explanations are endless, and I will let the good people of this board run with this ball.


Hang-on a minute... That photo you posted has the filename "unusualmarsphoto2.jpg" !... Are you sure that you posted the correct photo, coz there is somebody kneeling down in the one that you posted !. :-\
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Bobbotov on July 02, 2008, 07:26:19 PM
Are you sure that you posted the correct photo, coz there is somebody kneeling down in the one that you posted !. :-\

Duh, that's one of the Martians.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: utilitarian on July 03, 2008, 12:30:39 AM
Duh, that's one of the Martians.

You jest?  Here.  Take a look at the right-most (smaller) rock.  Those two holes - definitely alien eye slits.  I think this is all we need to see.  Aliens have been to Mars and have left their art work.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Bobbotov on July 03, 2008, 12:42:55 AM
You jest?  Here.  Take a look at the right-most (smaller) rock.  Those two holes - definitely alien eye slits.  I think this is all we need to see.  Aliens have been to Mars and have left their art work.

You missed the really scary part. The two big rocks are a pair of Martian balls.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Bulbz on July 03, 2008, 12:39:54 PM
Duh, that's one of the Martians.


Well then tell them to change their fashion sense, they look like tourists :P.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Koen1 on July 03, 2008, 12:59:14 PM
@Bobbotov: I don't get you, dude.

First you give me and Groundloop a lot of shit about us being delusional for having a bit of fun here,

and now you are doing exactly the same!

Why did you feel the need to give us a hard time about something you have obviously discoverd is indeed fun?
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on July 03, 2008, 04:09:10 PM
It's the viewers guys, I just put in ACDC pro2, It can't do it. I'm using Photoshop 6, I've noticed Paint Shop Pro does show you some of it but, not as well. I haven't tried others yet but I suspect they aren't near as clear either. This crap is there and I'm stuck on some things too, like 2 ponds in the picture or are they? Is it 1 pond with air brushing separating the middle of it? When you can see this stuff clear it's still confusing in spots. Well throw the images on disk an visit a friend that has Photoshop, it could be they used this program to do the dirty work.

I will try other viewers if I can find them with trials, I have over 2 grand tied up in Photoshop and am not going to buy a bunch of others. We got some interesting results in Windowsxp paint. It showed a couple of spots fairly clear.

I would be ribbing myself if all I saw this with was ACDC. You can't see anything with it and I don't think trial mode has anything to do with it. You don't have to own Photoshop just have access to someone that does. I'm sure they will look at it with you. Even a student at a commercial art school or something would be interested if you tell him why you want to look. I can see it on a lcd and crt here. 2 different video cards, one is hi-def and the other is a Nvidia, as long as the monitor is clear the results are good. Oh, the lcd one has Photoshop 8 CS2 on it.

I got shock and awe the first time I hit 700% zoom, it wore off. This crap is there you just aren't seeing it and the viewer you are using is probably what is letting you down. Things to clear the picture.
Try equalize on it if it's red, you can undo in edit if that doesn't do it. Then try auto levels, and in some cases on some of these photos use both, equalize first. That's simply all I do to these pictures then I play with the contrast and zoom. Raising the contrast some helps get rid of the transparent stamps, so they don't fog the picture. Most of the seeable stuff that matters is around 700% zoom on every picture I've looked at.

Ive looked over more than these 2
Husband Hill
Larry's lookout
Victoria crater
Home plate
Olympus mons
Twin Peaks
Two Tone Rock
East Hills
Missoula Crater
West Valley
Horizon Hills
Cydonia
Endurance Crater
Bonneville Crater
To name a few plus a number Panoramas, sol, and PIA pictures from large to extremely  large.
Remember I said there is no face there are roads on that feature and they are being used.
Do you remember the saw teeth at the bottom, they tip the camera to screw up your perception of level.
Then they have problems putting the complete picture together. Look at a civilian panorama, everything fits together perfectly because the camera is level on a tripod. Wake up.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Koen1 on July 03, 2008, 04:44:50 PM
Yes I remember. I just still don't see the stuff you're seeing.
Doesn't matter if I use photoshop, if I look at them on a widescreen
full HD, if I adjust the colours, zoom in 700%+, nothing of that
makes me see anything like roads in use (which I assume means
you're seeing traffic on the roads?), stripmines, forklifts, etc.
I don't doubt that you truly believe you are seeing them,
but I can't make out anything more than blurs and certainly
nothing that clearly looks like vehicles or anything... Sorry :(
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on July 03, 2008, 04:51:07 PM
No, I can't see traffic, I can see clean roads, no rocks on them nothing they are clean as a whistle. Did you find the open area with the 2 trees in husbandhill_spirit_big? The trees should be about 1/4 inch high at 700 zoom. I'm sure the Chinese have done this by now so you can do it. The roads you first find go down and to the right, 2 of them. Follow them down and find the parking lot. The truck on it isn't clear but it's backed up to a building. The building is just a fuzz. That fuzz needs cracked out of the picture, I'd give a lot to find out what viewer shows this clear.

I have a better question, why are they working so hard to hide water? Maybe people will want to go there and they won't be able to rob the place in peace? Windowsxp paint shows the truck better and doesn't show the building at all.

Tell me you can't see the buildings on the horizon.

 
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Koen1 on July 03, 2008, 05:31:59 PM
No, I can't see traffic, I can see clean roads, no rocks on them nothing they are clean as a whistle.
Hmm...
And why do you suppose they haven't airbrushed them out then?
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Did you find the open area with the 2 trees in husbandhill_spirit_big? The trees should be about 1/4 inch high at 700 zoom.
Went over the entire pic on 25, 50, 100, 200, 400, 800% zoom, but have not seen any trees on that pic... Where do you see them??
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I'm sure the Chinese have done this by now so you can do it.
Well I don't know, I have a very different eyeset. ;)
Besides, the Chinese have been seeing all kinds of things I have not, such as "the great march forward" which they apparently recognised
in murdering all opposition to the communist "cultural" revolution, "democracy" which they recognise in their totalitarian government,
and terrorism which they recognise in the Dalai Lama. So the things the Chinese see are not really the things I usually see. ;)
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The roads you first find go down and to the right, 2 of them. Follow them down and find the parking lot. The truck on it isn't clear but it's backed up to a building. The building is just a fuzz.
Well I have serious trouble finding what you're talking about...
I'll attach a crop-out that shows the only part of the pic where I suspect you may be seeing this,
but I still can't see it, I'm just guessing...
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on July 03, 2008, 05:45:29 PM
Husbandhill_spirit_big.jpg is a true gray scale, black and white picture. First we have to get on the same one. It's the smaller one in the rar file I gave a download link too. Then go to the right side at the highest ground. Scoll left slowly, when you see the spot in the last crop you are already past the trees. This picture is in a high population area, the background code simply didn't hide it, it's the very best one to work from.

Hang in and try this I'll get you there. First lets get you to realize what the roads look like the way they hide them and the buildings. After we do this I'll have you pick up the last known release of the (face on mars) the one where they said there was no face. That face copy is everywhere, it's easy to get.

These people are traveling on the ground like we do. Believe me I've searched the friendly skies and none of these pictures have anything flying in them. I guess NASA figured UFO hunters were going to go over these photos real good. You don't have to equalize or anything, just zoom in.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=M105RS60

The rar file if you don't have it.

I just got water4gas like I said I would and I have an itch to get started on it but, I stay right here till we get this going. You are going to love this I just know it. This is 3595 X 983 Pixels 320 KB in size.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on July 03, 2008, 06:58:57 PM
I don't know what the difference is, I increased the size of the picture to 9000 pixels and you can stiil see the trees and the open are but, all you can see where there are buildings is just airbrushed garble. Increased it to make it look big enough to view without having to work on it. Zooming on the regular picture is much clearer. Well here is the trees anyway and you can see the size of the open area. See on the right side of the open area right where I posted them to be before.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Koen1 on July 03, 2008, 06:59:48 PM
Husbandhill_spirit_big.jpg is a true gray scale, black and white picture. First we have to get on the same one. It's the smaller one in the rar file I gave a download link too. Then go to the right side at the highest ground.
But that one is smaller and has a much lower resolution...?! If I zoom in 200% there it is just one big blur, there is absolutely nothing clear to be seen there...
So you're zooming in to 700% on a picture that already turns into a grey blur at 200%? and then you even see trees and a parking lot?
Well I've just seriously tortured my eyes looking over the whole right side of the picture and I can't even see that crop I posted clearly on that pic...
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Scoll left slowly, when you see the spot in the last crop you are already past the trees. This picture is in a high population area, the background code simply didn't hide it, it's the very best one to work from.
Alright, if you say so, but I still can't find your trees... anything not on the foreground is just a blur, especially
on the greyscale pic...

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Hang in and try this I'll get you there. First lets get you to realize what the roads look like the way they hide them and the buildings. After we do this I'll have you pick up the last known release of the (face on mars) the one where they said there was no face. That face copy is everywhere, it's easy to get.
Ok well I'll just
hang in there then...

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I just got water4gas like I said I would and I have an itch to get started on it but, I stay right here till we get this going. You are going to love this I just know it.
Hey dude don't let me keep you from playing with you new water4gas thing if you want :)
I still would like to see your trees and parking lot and all, but I'm sure we can still do that in the near future too?
So if you're really anxious to go tinker then by all means do go have fun, we'll continue this a little later. :)

By the way, I did find a weird green haze on that colour picture... I bet you saw it too?
I'll attach another crop that shows it, as well as my latest guesstimate of what may be your trees ;)
The pic was colour adjusted a bit to clarify the colour contrast.

Oh, and just fyi I'm attachign a picture of Aristarcus crater on the moon, which can be clearly
seen to emit blueish light... :) Not Mars related but at least witnessed by many people. ;)

[edit] Ah, you posted your greyscale tree pic as i was typing this message. :)
I did in fact see those on the grey pic! But I can't say with any degree of certainty that they are trees...
After all, there's lots of odd shapes on the greyscale pic...
Just like some of the vague blurry shapes on the 9meg colour pic appear to look vaguely
like animals...
And there's a fairly bright whitish dot on the greyscale pic all the way in the blurry hazy distance,
which does not seem to accord with the darker colourations of the rest of the pic...
Anyway, now I see your trees :D Or at least, now I know where to find what you believe to be trees
on that picture.
Funny enough no such thing is visible on the more detailed colour pic... But then again, that previous
crop of what I guessed might be your parking lot is hardly recognisable as such on the greyscale pic...
I'm getting a bit confused now... ;)

anyway, I'm holding on to my hat for the roads and parking lot pic. :)
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: aether22 on July 04, 2008, 03:24:22 AM
We are programmed to see patterns. It is one of the hallmarks of being human. But it is not real.

I agree, it's just plain unlikely even if Mars had shoes and cats and jet engines and gun placements.
I have heard many such claims, but think about it for a minute.

If you dropped a camera at random on the surface of the earth you are not likely to see any of these things even though there are plenty of all of them.

Though I'll admit that cat skull does havea significant number of similarities to the drawing.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on July 04, 2008, 07:43:51 AM
It's gone everywhere, well, almost.

http://rapidshare.com/files/123646219/HusbandHillMainRar.rar.html

Someone can check the file header for the source. I knew this picture was going to get pulled from the net. It takes a lot of power to make something disappear from the net. I mentioned it was getting very rare on chemtrailcentral well it's got more than rare they even managed to get megashare to dump it. You might also find it on wikipedia yet. This file used to be all over. I just checked that link get it before they jerk it too.

This link was put up the same time and can be view with the link from megashare at chemtrailcentral.com.
NASA made a big mistake releasing that picture and they know it.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: utilitarian on July 04, 2008, 05:31:56 PM
It takes a lot of power to make something disappear from the net.

How many joules to press the "delete" key?
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on July 05, 2008, 02:42:17 PM
OK, I learned to never type those words on the net. Took me 2 days to get back. Maybe the horizon part is getting me in trouble. The mountains you can't see for real in the background at the top of the picture as far as I can tell aren't real.  I think the water is. Never mind that, about one third of the way up from the bottom is the far crater rim, this is within real camera range. From the right scroll left slowly along the top of the rim. You will see a rock that was airbrushed there so badly at the starting point that it looks like it's not on the ground. The mountains at the extreme top have no features what so ever and there existence can't even be verified. You should see what looks like a lot of buildings fuzzy. If you play with the zoom and contrast, you will notice each building is hooked to a tank about the size of a normal 300 gallon propane tank like you see in the country. Also you will notice it's hooked to another tank. Between these tanks and homes are airbrushed nonsense. Shiny duct work hooked up in a way I've never seen and at least a instance of a shiny cylinder like a huge chrome hockey puck between tanks. I have limited zoom saving options, on a custom zoom this comes in clearer. On this crop from left to right. Do you see a shiny square, it looks like 2 foot thick round duct work piped in a square with more large pipes going back the left side of it. That doesn't seem to hook to anything and I count it not real. At the base of the square is a tank and immediately to the right is a bigger tank. Right of that is a shiny piece that again I discount as airbrushed cow patties. The house is completely out of focus at this zoom and is much smaller than you might think if you think you can see it in this crop. You can try though, It's dark with a light roof. The code I keep talking about both drags some of the pixels to the right but, inspection tells you they aren't connected to the building and, the code kind of exploded the pixels to make a ghost appearing house much larger at the same base line. If you can see that toss those things out and you are left with a little house. I've had it in focus a few times and have been unable to screen capture it. The tanks go out of focus when the house is in focus. If this was the real picture and not just some put together thumbs of the full camera shot that wouldn't happen. The original pictures had to be about 2 giga pixel pieces that made up this panorama. They are jerking us on purpose and not just with an airbrush.

Takes more than a delete key for some of these foreign sites. After cutting cable under the sea internet relations aren't that good between USA and some countries.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on July 07, 2008, 06:32:41 AM
Let's stop worrying about little things and let me show you a big thing.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=2NKFO91C

The source file is there and I have made 2 wide screen and 2 full screen jpgs for a desktop background for you. I don't know if it is the largest water filter on Mars but, we don't have anything on Earth to compare with it.

If you use equalize on the picture or a screen it will show you the flow of water. Also that is water below it that's already run through.If you look the water levels are very noticeable.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on July 07, 2008, 10:34:54 PM

Come on guys, they tried to cover this up with a few bogus closeups later as an after thought. Put it up for a week as a screener, it'll grow on you. This isn't a time to hear crickets and peep frogs, it's time for some serious chatter. This thing is mega square miles in size, NASA and anyone related in any way is not to be trusted.

The runoff is not filtered and I can't tell were the filtered water comes out, but obvious is obvious.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Koen1 on July 08, 2008, 02:01:35 PM
Heh, that's a damn cool pic!! :D

I prefer the larger sand-coloured one, it looks nicer as a wallpaper,
but that patch of suspiciously wave-like "dunes" at the bottom of
the crater is certainly very interesting. ;D
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: utilitarian on July 08, 2008, 04:01:52 PM

Come on guys, they tried to cover this up with a few bogus closeups later as an after thought. Put it up for a week as a screener, it'll grow on you. This isn't a time to hear crickets and peep frogs, it's time for some serious chatter. This thing is mega square miles in size, NASA and anyone related in any way is not to be trusted.

The runoff is not filtered and I can't tell were the filtered water comes out, but obvious is obvious.

It is sand.  Sand can look very much like water.  Look at this right portion below, where there are some "waves" that are way above the rest of the "water".  If this was really water, you would not see this.  Sand can exist this way, though.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on July 08, 2008, 07:28:44 PM
Those are filter bars. The smucks tried to hide a bridge right close, just follow the river down a bit and you will see they airbrushed a rock on the right side of it leaving the arc under the bridge and the top visible and the left. Also the rocks in the road don't exist. That is a huge water filter and you are in denial. It's partly my fault, I didn't have enough stuff to ease you into this. I gave you what little stuff I had first.

We did this not aliens. They have been there for decades and they hid science from us. The result is we have been using technology far to long that is redundant and are suffering from the environmental impact. The natural order of things in science would allow for better technologies before we wreck the planet.

That is water and it is not sand looking like water, use equalize on it with Photoshop and see the area of flow. You can't do that with sand. For the full picture to get the red out first use autolevels on it. You should do this on any panorama anyway because the light varies from one side of a picture to the other on each picture.

Earth panoramas submitted for viewing are usually equalized before they are posted. If it wasn't used you can make them look nicer by running autolevel on it.

Oil and coal derivatives are redundant fuels.

They believe they can hide in plain sight, that's straight out of their mouths. I'm not going to let them. They have hydrogen technologies locked up tight on a shelf. We paid for the research, it's time to use the results.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on July 09, 2008, 07:07:35 PM
How they make things look dry. It's the background code, zoom in on this 800%.

Those glass tubes, worms , what ever they called them way back when people found them make perfect sense now. They didn't at first because of the bulges in them. Now I see they were used to pipe water.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: utilitarian on July 09, 2008, 07:47:57 PM
Those are filter bars. The smucks tried to hide a bridge right close, just follow the river down a bit and you will see they airbrushed a rock on the right side of it leaving the arc under the bridge and the top visible and the left. Also the rocks in the road don't exist.

Why would NASA, in the same photograph, airbrush rocks but leave a huge reservoir of the impossible-to-exist liquid water in plain sight? 

And no, those are not filter bars.  I do not even know what filter bars are, but if you look closely, the sand waves flow smoothly up.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on July 10, 2008, 01:31:17 AM
Alright everyones fighting with pictures that are modified by airbrush, I'm going to show you something. I'll fight fire with fire.

I don't monkey with peoples minds. I modified this one crop out of being curious of what would
happen. I repeat I modified this. The results were amazing, I'll give you every detail of
the changes I made, When I do it to you I tell you, I'm not like the other side.

First I used auto level on the picture. Then I chose a water type flat area, it was yellow.
I replaced 5 of the colors in the flat space with any yucky blue and one light green. As
users of Photoshop can tell you Hue, brightness and shade is a terrible way to select a
color replace but that's what I did.

I backed out to 600% and searched the picture. Suddenly the tracks from the rover looked
right. The water that filled them answered so many questions about them I thought you should
see this. The puddles look right everything looks right. The whole picture didn't though.
Different light from different parts of the day and different airbrushers working on
different parts of the picture Make things different for the picture as a whole. A very
large part of the picture came out though.

I cut the crop at 8084 X 2450 from the lower left corner. It was to large so I reduced the
image to 7000 X 2131 so I could include the raw data in the same rar file. The color replace
was set at 50% defualt tranparency. I can't think of any other settings.

The raw crop I simply canvas sized it to 8084 X 2450 and reduced it to 7000 X 2131 so they
would have the exact same information in them size wise and view.

They have been doing this to you for years, let me do it once. I'd like to think there would
be a compromise but I don't think so because the tracks are so perfect. Well take a look, it
doesn't look dry up there after you see this.

http://rapidshare.com/files/128499898/RawAndEdited.rar.html , for the crops.

The source files name was everest_spirit_big.jpg. You can get it here. You need the whole
file to get autolevel to work the same. Remember to click the plus magnifying glass on the
picture before saving.

http://www.phys.ncku.edu.tw/~astrolab/mirrors/apod/image/0511/everest_spirit_big.jpg

They have been getting away with this crap far to long. I'm not the only one yelling foul either, search and see how many sites say the rover was stuck in the mud.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on July 18, 2008, 01:21:27 AM
Progress report. I have made progress studying the picture. The pipes (most of them are disinformation) are not pipes, they are cement cylinders. Poured into tubes of a reinforced plastic tube form. They do this right here on earth. I have a picture of cement cylinders I got right here in Erie along the lake front. They are using these to control the flow of water. I had a problem because the water flowing from the pipes never seemed to match up with the pipe completely. If there is any pipe in the picture it would be hard to identify which ones are actual pipe. I measured the cement cylinders on the Lake Erie shore and got 3 feet thick and 4 1/2 feet wide. I have no reason to believe the ones in the picture are smaller. This makes the crater larger than claimed. It also leaves a believable size for the building at the crater rim of 16 by 20 feet with ten foot high walls. This would also include erosion control. Those airbrushers are a bit better than I was giving them credit for. I will post the picture of the cement cylinders at chemtrailcentral.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Bulbz on July 18, 2008, 03:45:14 AM
You never know... Maybe somebody is doing a lot of work on Mars, ready for when the space tourism age starts.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: utilitarian on July 18, 2008, 03:48:41 AM
Progress report. I have made progress studying the picture. The pipes (most of them are disinformation) are not pipes, they are cement cylinders. Poured into tubes of a reinforced plastic tube form. They do this right here on earth. I have a picture of cement cylinders I got right here in Erie along the lake front. They are using these to control the flow of water. I had a problem because the water flowing from the pipes never seemed to match up with the pipe completely. If there is any pipe in the picture it would be hard to identify which ones are actual pipe. I measured the cement cylinders on the Lake Erie shore and got 3 feet thick and 4 1/2 feet wide. I have no reason to believe the ones in the picture are smaller. This makes the crater larger than claimed. It also leaves a believable size for the building at the crater rim of 16 by 20 feet with ten foot high walls. This would also include erosion control. Those airbrushers are a bit better than I was giving them credit for. I will post the picture of the cement cylinders at chemtrailcentral.

How do you explain NASA leaving the pond of water clearly visible while making great effort to airbrush rocks and other irrelevant objects in the same photo?  After all, liquid water is not supposed to exist on Mars, based on everything NASA has told us.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Koen1 on July 18, 2008, 04:28:44 PM
Well it's easy to say "that's not water, it's just sand dunes" and show a picture
of typical wavelike Safara sand dunes, and to follow it up with "and besides, our
Viking landers and Yaddayadda measurements all show there is no water on Mars.
So that stuff on the picture can't be water. So it's not. It's just sand.
Nothing to see here. Move along."

but it's less easy to say
"that's not water, it's sand. And that's not a drain pipe, it's a rock. And neither
is that coke can a coke can, it is also a rock. After all, our Viking landers never
spotted any coke nor drain pipes nor water, so that stuff can't be there. Q.E.D."
so they need to remove the drain pipe and the coke can from the picture which
they do by blurring it a bit in a rocky colour, and they paint the water with a
sandy texture and voila, a perfectly unsuspicious patch of wavey sand dunes.

;)
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Bobbotov on July 19, 2008, 01:33:11 PM
Koen1, maybe you are having fun with these pics which is about all you can do with it but raburgeson isn't. He is clearly out of his mind with some bizarre obsession that is just not normal. And besides what possible outcome can come from all of this? If there really was a conspiracy to cover up some nefarious doings in Mars or anywhere else why take the chance and even use photos of the place and then airbrush them? It would be better to create whole images in a studio so that absolutely nothing could be compromised. They obviously have enough money to do whatever they want, in any manner they want. Why bother taking a chance with possibly exposing their activities by using pictures from the actual locations?

It is not like any one else can go there and prove them wrong as everyone is totally dependent on whatever they show? I could shoot pictures of the deserts of Arizona or New Mexico and call it Mars and no one would be the wiser.

OU.com is pretty wacky but this thread takes the cake.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: beedees on July 19, 2008, 11:10:19 PM
OU.com is pretty wacky but this thread takes the cake



Comic relief man, comic relief!!!
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Koen1 on July 21, 2008, 02:02:09 PM
Koen1, maybe you are having fun with these pics which is about all you can do with it but raburgeson isn't. He is clearly out of his mind with some bizarre obsession that is just not normal. And besides what possible outcome can come from all of this? If there really was a conspiracy to cover up some nefarious doings in Mars or anywhere else why take the chance and even use photos of the place and then airbrush them? It would be better to create whole images in a studio so that absolutely nothing could be compromised. They obviously have enough money to do whatever they want, in any manner they want. Why bother taking a chance with possibly exposing their activities by using pictures from the actual locations?
Why bother going to the moon when you can fake it? Reasoning like that doesn't get you anywhere either...
And although I agree that Raymond is a bit focused on what he believes is his crack at a disinformation sceme,
I would not want to go so far as to say he is out of his mind. That seems a bit harsh.
Seems to me he is simply one of the few hard-core "I want to believe" people. There's people who idolise (as in deify) Elvis,
there's people still looking for the thrid gunman on the grassy nole, there's people who literally believe fire and brimstone
are going to hail down from the sky when the third angel pours out the scales, and there's even people who seem to
believe you can fight terrorism by terrorising people, and the latter actually run a country.
So what's the big problem with Raburgesons hobby to study and interpret Mars pictures that do get pulled from
the web for reasons unknown? Leave him be, let him tell us what he thinks he sees. I don't see most of the
stuff he talks about, but he's not actually harassing anyone with it, and if you don't want to read his posts
you certainly don't have to. Did you ever enjoy watching X-files, or did you go around telling everyone that that
Fox Mulder character is one crazy sob with his alien conspiracy ideas? ;)

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It is not like any one else can go there and prove them wrong as everyone is totally dependent on whatever they show?
Yeah, except for the fact that nowadays Nasa is NOT the only one taking Mars pics anymore, the ESA has been doing it too,
and their pictures show different colours than the Nasa ones... Ok, NASA recently adjusted the most recent pictures to accord
more with the true colours as to not be ridiculed for publicising red shifted pictures, and the ESA lander/rover failed after landing
so there's not really any surface pics from ESA yet, but the orbital pics are very good. And besides that, taking pictures and analysing them
are two different things. That NASA took the pictures does not mean they also have absolute knowledge of what they show,
nor that they wouldn't alter the pics if they did show anything they don't want the public to know about. Ever heard of the Disclosure Project?
Perhaps interesting to check it out, especially on the subject of NASA picture editing? ;)
Or just for fun, you might want to look up Phil Schneider. ;D Totally different stuff, but very X-files. :D
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I could shoot pictures of the deserts of Arizona or New Mexico and call it Mars and no one would be the wiser.
True. And you could also get to Mars, find it to be very much like Arizona or New Mexico, and decide to red-shift the colours a bit
and blur out any waterlike features so that those nasty Russians don't get it into their cold-war minds to actually go there.
But let's follow that path of thought of yours for another few steps eh?
So you say NASA could have taken shots of a dry Arizona/New Mexico region and presented them as MArs pictures, since nobody
else actually has a rover on Mars so nobody can confirm or falsify their pictures?
Hehe, now who's talking about conspiracies?
So you're calling Raburgeson crazy for claiming to see airbrushed and otherwise altered pictures of Mars from NASA,
but you suggest NASA may not have actually taken pictures on MArs at all and just presents Arizona pics to the world?
;D
What sort of non-conspiracy interpretation would you connect to that, then? :D
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OU.com is pretty wacky but this thread takes the cake.
Again I disagree. You should read the Lee-Tseung thread.
While this is, admittedly, a bit flakey and verges on the edge of improbability, but still mostly entertaining,
the Lee-Tseung thread is really off. :) That guy actually believes he can extract free energy from gravity
by using his self-invented "Lee-Tseung Pull" during a pendulum swing. He can't prove one bit of it, and has
been proven wrong quite a number of times already, but he didn't give up. Recently his son-in-law came
on here and asked everyone in that thread to stop feeding the old guys delusions as he was actually
mentally not well. So if you really want to read a nutcases ranting, go there. :)
The people who frequented the thread called it "the Larry Tseung comedy Hour". ;D
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Bobbotov on July 21, 2008, 03:51:58 PM
Why bother going to the moon when you can fake it? Reasoning like that doesn't get you anywhere either...
.

Well then why make love when you can fake it? The problem with all of this is that there are so many weak minded people out there stuff like this becomes mythological memes that get repeated, expanded, twisted, perpetuated and the world has enough crap floating around on the internet to make it pure noise. What is the benefit of that? The problem with the internet is that there is just not enough Woo-woo, right?

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And although I agree that Raymond is a bit focused on what he believes is his crack at a disinformation sceme,
I would not want to go so far as to say he is out of his mind. That seems a bit harsh

By his own admission he spends literally hundreds of hours staring at one picture. Hundreds of hours? That is several weeks man. That is a tad more than "a bit focused." And if you spend that much time staring at anything you are going to start hallucinating.

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There's people who idolise (as in deify) Elvis,
there's people still looking for the thrid gunman on the grassy nole, there's people who literally believe fire and brimstone
are going to hail down from the sky when the third angel pours out the scales, and there's even people who seem to
believe you can fight terrorism by terrorising people, and the latter actually run a country.

So by your reasoning since there is a plethora of nut cases in the world then they get a pass for being ubiquitous? Sounds like insanity is winning over logic.

Maybe it is because of letting people off the hook like this a President really can use fear to advance their agendas which goes beyond just harmless pastimes into real world death and destruction. If reality has no meaning anymore then all manner of open ended delusions will reign and they are not all benign as you yourself alluded.
 
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So what's the big problem with Raburgesons hobby to study and interpret Mars pictures that do get pulled from
the web for reasons unknown? Leave him be, let him tell us what he thinks he sees. I don't see most of the
stuff he talks about, but he's not actually harassing anyone with it, and if you don't want to read his posts
you certainly don't have to. Did you ever enjoy watching X-files, or did you go around telling everyone that that
Fox Mulder character is one crazy sob with his alien conspiracy ideas? ;)

How I am stopping him even if I could? He is free to spooge whatever he wants and I am free to comment in any way I want. The X-files is not a good comparison as it is fictional and not pawned off as reality on any level. And you can champion nut cases all you want but don't expect people to take you too seriously either through that association. And he may be harmless but some other wacko that reads it and believes may not be if there is no voice to temper specious ramblings.

By the same token, you don't have to read or respond to my posts either but you do. Double standard perhaps?

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Yeah, except for the fact that nowadays Nasa is NOT the only one taking Mars pics anymore, the ESA has been doing it too,
and their pictures show different colours than the Nasa ones... Ok, NASA recently adjusted the most recent pictures to accord
more with the true colours as to not be ridiculed for publicising red shifted pictures, and the ESA lander/rover failed after landing
so there's not really any surface pics from ESA yet, but the orbital pics are very good. And besides that, taking pictures and analysing them
are two different things. That NASA took the pictures does not mean they also have absolute knowledge of what they show,
nor that they wouldn't alter the pics if they did show anything they don't want the public to know about.

I just saw a program called World War Two in Color and the colors were all off. I guess they faked WWII also. And what would be the benefit of NASA altering the color? What clandestine agenda do they have? And why would assuming they have a clandestine agenda end up on the short list of possible answers? How can any of this help NASA in any of their worthwhile future endeavors when it would be exposed through other sources eventually?

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Ever heard of the Disclosure Project?
Perhaps interesting to check it out, especially on the subject of NASA picture editing? ;)
Or just for fun, you might want to look up Phil Schneider. ;D Totally different stuff, but very X-files. :D

Using the Disclosure Project to support any credible debate is like saying a fairy godmother is your advisor.

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True. And you could also get to Mars, find it to be very much like Arizona or New Mexico, and decide to red-shift the colours a bit
and blur out any waterlike features so that those nasty Russians don't get it into their cold-war minds to actually go there.

That makes no sense as we have been in joint space projects with the Russians and they have always been free to do whatever space exploration they want on their own and they have as are any other countries. A realistic issue with the Russians is the US putting missile defense systems in Poland not what the US is doing on Mars. And this business of obscuring water on Mars makes no sense either when it is one of things that NASA is hoping to find verifiable proof of.

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But let's follow that path of thought of yours for another few steps eh?
So you say NASA could have taken shots of a dry Arizona/New Mexico region and presented them as MArs pictures, since nobody
else actually has a rover on Mars so nobody can confirm or falsify their pictures?
Hehe, now who's talking about conspiracies?
So you're calling Raburgeson crazy for claiming to see airbrushed and otherwise altered pictures of Mars from NASA,
but you suggest NASA may not have actually taken pictures on MArs at all and just presents Arizona pics to the world? What sort of non-conspiracy interpretation would you connect to that, then? :D
;D

I never said that is what NASA did so don't spin it into something it is not. It just makes it look like you cannot comprehend the written word. What I am saying is that as a conspiracy theory it makes no sense to alter real pictures to obfuscate some clandestine operation when it would be more practical to take pictures of something entirely unrelated and pawn that off to a public that has no way of verifying one way or the other at this point in time. By doing so there is no chance of revealing something you do not want the public to see if in fact that was ever a realistic consideration which it is not. And besides it is just a matter of time before other countries have the capability of going to the Moon or Mars to make this whole thing moot.

If I was writing a script for the X-Files I would opt for this approach over altering real pictures if a coverup was truly my aim.

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Again I disagree. You should read the Lee-Tseung thread.

I know of Larry long before his postings here on OU.com.

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While this is, admittedly, a bit flakey and verges on the edge of improbability, but still mostly entertaining,
the Lee-Tseung thread is really off. :) That guy actually believes he can extract free energy from gravity
by using his self-invented "Lee-Tseung Pull" during a pendulum swing. He can't prove one bit of it, and has
been proven wrong quite a number of times already, but he didn't give up. Recently his son-in-law came
on here and asked everyone in that thread to stop feeding the old guys delusions as he was actually
mentally not well. So if you really want to read a nutcases ranting, go there. :)
The people who frequented the thread called it "the Larry Tseung comedy Hour". ;D

That is no different than virtually all of the free energy, perpetual motion, overunity threads on this site and their proponents. And essentially what you are saying is that this thread is just a shorthair away from another, over the top delusion.


Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on July 26, 2008, 03:27:33 PM
We called them on the color of the sky because we had previous pictures from Europe's mission. They finally as an admission said they added red to make it look more like Mars. They also disclosed they lied about Venus's atmosphere. That if the atmosphere was that extreme temperature a parachute would not survive to land a probe. You can see the poles with a telescope from your back yard. If Mars was a cold as they claim if would be covered in a fine layer of frost. There is a temperate area between the poles.

I have picked up a couple of gigs of new images. Beware the prospectives they are going to release. They intend to lead the general population by the nose to believe what they want them to believe. The perspectives are complete computer fabrications. Like you who have looked at 2d images all your life can't realize the perspective on your own. They are liars and crooks and they have been caught so many times I don't want their crap, I want real pictures. Those people you are taking the word of have no credibility. I'm one person that can tell if an image has been modified. You can go out in your back yard and take a higher quality picture right now than the crap they have been releasing to us.

They are trying to say now that one crater is only 750 feet across, they need a panorama for that? It's miles across and I have a older picture with the silhouette of the outline of the US over that region that shows it's area is larger than the United States. Not the crater the region, I wouldn't be surprised if you couldn't fit a good sized city in there though. I'm not backing down from these liars, they have been lying to me all my life and I will beat the truth out of them. The scariest lie they ever told you and for about 6 years was only queers get AIDS, they don't even care if the lies they tell kill you. I didn't get AIDS by the way, I was aware of what they are and intelligent enough to realize that the microbe does not care who the host is.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Libra8 on July 26, 2008, 06:11:46 PM
A selection of images from the Mars probes
http://home.gci.net/~wmgregg/mars.htm#head

The ob_22_reull_v2 is very interesting.


Also the following is a must see.
A very high resolution 5.9 meg.
E1001841.gif
http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/e07_e12/full_gif_non_map/E10/E1001841.gif
http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/e07_e12/images/E10/E1001841.html

Take a look at the borders of darker to lighter areas what does it look like? Those who are familiar with aerial photography high altitude here on earth may have a better appreciation of this pic. Use your picture program and magnify...
Enjoy.

I'm no expert but it looks like shrubs or bushes in those two shots.

Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on July 27, 2008, 01:55:45 AM
I highly recommend the picture called athabascafloods easily found on google advanced image search, extra large. It seems they have a problem controlling the water now and then.

Also,

http://www.phys.ncku.edu.tw/~astrolab/mirrors/apod/image/0609/cydonia_marsexpress_big.jpg

Cydonia, If they send a probe there they better put it on a boat.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Koen1 on July 30, 2008, 01:59:47 PM
Why? Looks very dry to me...
Don't see any water on that Cydonia pic... ???

That b&w pic of the pole which shows what look like shubs or bush
is very interesting though... :)
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: jacek on August 03, 2008, 06:03:39 AM
Hi guys,

I read parts of this thread, haven't reached my own conclusion because of lack of any expertise in digital imaging, but must say that the subject is interesting.
What do you make of this Youtube video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjtZGeD0wQY
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Koen1 on August 04, 2008, 02:55:45 PM
I make of it a recap of the by now old "discovery" that
Nasa did not publish most of their pics in "true colour".
It caused quite a bit of ruckus when that first came out
a couple of years ago.
In the mean time the ESA orbiter pictures have confirmed
that the colour of the sand etc on Mars is indeed much
closer to an Earth norm desert colour than any of Nasa's
Viking and later pictures showed.
The original pictures Nasa published from the Mars Rover
were still redshifted, as was easily proven by comparing colour
pictures of the thing here on Earth with those taken by the
thing itself on Mars, and renormalising the yellow cable that
looked orange on the Mars pics. After several groups had done
so, and especialy after the ESA orbiter pictures were published,
all of a sudden Nasa changed its attitude from "No no, you're all
wrong, Mars really does look red!" to "well we don't see what the
fuss is about, just look at our database full of true colour pictures
that show yellowish-brown desert sand and blueish skies... What
do you mean misleading pictures?"...
Now they act as if they never claimed Mars was brick-red at all!
...
just like they first said "there is no water on Mars",
then it very slowly turned into "there might be some water ice on Mars"
and now just the other week newspapers bellowed "Nasa finds water on Mars!"...

Hmmm... what will be next?
I'm waiting for Nasa to change their opinion about the Martian atmosphere
from "there's no breathable air on Mars" via "there might be air that could be
breathable for a little while, on Mars" to finally read in the newspapers
"Nasa finds Martian atmosphere breathable!"...
;D


Anyway, that youtube video is mostly correct, looks like.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on August 07, 2008, 08:01:54 AM
I put together a package of crops, I can make much more but it's time to get to the point. The American taxpayer has spent billions and get airbrushed and computerized garbage and lies for there investment. I also was waiting for a trap type response from NASA and they didn't fail me. I got a crop of a nude sunbather on the rover solar panel. Also I have 2 other crops 2 inch high workers and reflection of someone (airbrushed of course) adjusting something on the rover. I'm flattered really that they would go through the trouble for little old me. If your under 50 cover your eyes. The crops include a package for the Japanese that thought they got rid of the lies by sending up JAXA's moon low orbiter. Sorry guys, go after them. Well enough chewing the fat, I think I have 2 copies of one folder, my boo-boo. I have one somewhere on the machine yet to release in that case. Do study the pictures on Mars, with all the money wasted it worth the time to make up your mind. It's been hell and you guys have been swell.

The crops are here,

http://rapidshare.com/files/135436608/ExposeThem.rar.html

And here's the other crop, cover your eyes and no peeking now.

The people that jerk around the human race like this should be shot for treason. We are still using oil because they have hidden new forms of power. There is a picture on the net of the Milkyway Galaxy from the center and at least 100 light years out to get it all. It's easy to get so I won't provide a link.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: madsen on August 07, 2008, 08:30:06 AM
I got a crop of a nude sunbather on the rover solar panel. Also I have 2 other crops 2 inch high workers and reflection of someone (airbrushed of course) adjusting something on the rover.

(http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-raise.gif)

So is the sunbather also 2 inches tall? 

Might be good to label your post NSFW is there's nudity. 

Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Michelinho on August 07, 2008, 09:23:50 AM

Hi everyone,

I agree that were are taken for fools by science and politic.

I highly recommend a visit to Ted Twietmeyer's site data4science.net. He touches different aspect of the Mars Anomalies along with other interesting analyses.

On Mars atmosphere and Air:  http://www.data4science.net/index.php?project=mars&view=sky

That may turn a few skeptics.

Keep your searches going,

Michel
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on August 12, 2008, 12:49:42 AM
I just came across a site that agrees they are mining.

Http://www.ancientmoons.net  and if you would like to see rapids pick up the picture:

chasma_marsexpress_f50

Search it without the _ _ _ like, chasma marsexpress f50

This picture will disappear from the net fast so get it right away.

You can see the rapids without modifying the picture but, I recommend using autolevels in photoshop to see it right. Anything including ACDC, gimp and others highlight this image. Old image they though the extra red was enough to hide everything.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: onlylove1107 on April 04, 2010, 05:55:23 PM
Looks the same but I do not trust much. Although scientists have hypothesized that water on Mars but is only now leaving the pits as the water evaporated away free time. Wait scientists have opinions!

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Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: onthecuttingedge2005 on April 04, 2010, 06:25:24 PM
you know the funny thing is, when water even though sterile is sitting around for a long time it tends to grow bacteria and algae. could this happen on Mars as well.

Sterile water in a container can last 6 months to a year maybe two if the conditions are right but a billion years is much different.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on April 09, 2010, 05:36:36 AM
That's exactly what I'm telling you, these are generated by computer and models and stage shots and there is not one pixel from space and NASA is not the only one doing it, the European space agency and Japan are doing it too.

And if you think I'm wrong you go look how low Obama has to bow when he goes somewhere now. It's not his fault this was started before he was born.

China now knows and they are headed for space, watch how fast the story changes. I heralded the NASA loss of funds a good thing, I don't want to throw more money away on another decade of lies.

How I did the Apollo foot pad and every other picture is this. Set and airbrush wider than the body of the figure. Set it to soft and 6 to 10 percent pressure. Just stroke it down over the sublime. All their artwork just pops out at you. You don't think I painted that did you? I had it in school to be sure and would be lousy at it. The saying if you don't use it you loose it is true. I do commercial art, tiling seamlessly from photos at photo quality. It allows for those beautiful counter tops and wallpapers and linoleum enabling you to bring the looks of nature into your home. I don't use art to enforce a lie. Harty has seen a couple of examples of my work, ask him. I simply don't have any practice doing humans and animals and do not have the inclination to get some. My stuff readily works in 3d environments too.

Forgot to mention, look who else joined the liars club, India.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: raburgeson on April 09, 2010, 07:36:56 AM
Same style same figures and many layers. some from another layer.
Play with the picture of the Apollo foot pad. Not in practice? Set your airbrush down to 2 to 4% pressure. Have fun with it, billions were spent to deliver you crap, someone should get something out of it. look this last one over a little and you will quickly find some figures I didn't do. Save it and Zoom in on it and make it easy.
Title: Re: Mars color
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on April 09, 2010, 12:31:35 PM

Thanks for the analysis  from a professional standpoint Rab.

No different than the doctored JFK "assassination" film footage.

Things are the same across the board..its all deception to create a false illusion of reality.

Regards...