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Offline Bobbotov

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Re: Mars color
« Reply #165 on: July 19, 2008, 01:33:11 PM »
Koen1, maybe you are having fun with these pics which is about all you can do with it but raburgeson isn't. He is clearly out of his mind with some bizarre obsession that is just not normal. And besides what possible outcome can come from all of this? If there really was a conspiracy to cover up some nefarious doings in Mars or anywhere else why take the chance and even use photos of the place and then airbrush them? It would be better to create whole images in a studio so that absolutely nothing could be compromised. They obviously have enough money to do whatever they want, in any manner they want. Why bother taking a chance with possibly exposing their activities by using pictures from the actual locations?

It is not like any one else can go there and prove them wrong as everyone is totally dependent on whatever they show? I could shoot pictures of the deserts of Arizona or New Mexico and call it Mars and no one would be the wiser.

OU.com is pretty wacky but this thread takes the cake.

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Re: Mars color
« Reply #166 on: July 19, 2008, 11:10:19 PM »
OU.com is pretty wacky but this thread takes the cake



Comic relief man, comic relief!!!

Offline Koen1

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Re: Mars color
« Reply #167 on: July 21, 2008, 02:02:09 PM »
Koen1, maybe you are having fun with these pics which is about all you can do with it but raburgeson isn't. He is clearly out of his mind with some bizarre obsession that is just not normal. And besides what possible outcome can come from all of this? If there really was a conspiracy to cover up some nefarious doings in Mars or anywhere else why take the chance and even use photos of the place and then airbrush them? It would be better to create whole images in a studio so that absolutely nothing could be compromised. They obviously have enough money to do whatever they want, in any manner they want. Why bother taking a chance with possibly exposing their activities by using pictures from the actual locations?
Why bother going to the moon when you can fake it? Reasoning like that doesn't get you anywhere either...
And although I agree that Raymond is a bit focused on what he believes is his crack at a disinformation sceme,
I would not want to go so far as to say he is out of his mind. That seems a bit harsh.
Seems to me he is simply one of the few hard-core "I want to believe" people. There's people who idolise (as in deify) Elvis,
there's people still looking for the thrid gunman on the grassy nole, there's people who literally believe fire and brimstone
are going to hail down from the sky when the third angel pours out the scales, and there's even people who seem to
believe you can fight terrorism by terrorising people, and the latter actually run a country.
So what's the big problem with Raburgesons hobby to study and interpret Mars pictures that do get pulled from
the web for reasons unknown? Leave him be, let him tell us what he thinks he sees. I don't see most of the
stuff he talks about, but he's not actually harassing anyone with it, and if you don't want to read his posts
you certainly don't have to. Did you ever enjoy watching X-files, or did you go around telling everyone that that
Fox Mulder character is one crazy sob with his alien conspiracy ideas? ;)

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It is not like any one else can go there and prove them wrong as everyone is totally dependent on whatever they show?
Yeah, except for the fact that nowadays Nasa is NOT the only one taking Mars pics anymore, the ESA has been doing it too,
and their pictures show different colours than the Nasa ones... Ok, NASA recently adjusted the most recent pictures to accord
more with the true colours as to not be ridiculed for publicising red shifted pictures, and the ESA lander/rover failed after landing
so there's not really any surface pics from ESA yet, but the orbital pics are very good. And besides that, taking pictures and analysing them
are two different things. That NASA took the pictures does not mean they also have absolute knowledge of what they show,
nor that they wouldn't alter the pics if they did show anything they don't want the public to know about. Ever heard of the Disclosure Project?
Perhaps interesting to check it out, especially on the subject of NASA picture editing? ;)
Or just for fun, you might want to look up Phil Schneider. ;D Totally different stuff, but very X-files. :D
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I could shoot pictures of the deserts of Arizona or New Mexico and call it Mars and no one would be the wiser.
True. And you could also get to Mars, find it to be very much like Arizona or New Mexico, and decide to red-shift the colours a bit
and blur out any waterlike features so that those nasty Russians don't get it into their cold-war minds to actually go there.
But let's follow that path of thought of yours for another few steps eh?
So you say NASA could have taken shots of a dry Arizona/New Mexico region and presented them as MArs pictures, since nobody
else actually has a rover on Mars so nobody can confirm or falsify their pictures?
Hehe, now who's talking about conspiracies?
So you're calling Raburgeson crazy for claiming to see airbrushed and otherwise altered pictures of Mars from NASA,
but you suggest NASA may not have actually taken pictures on MArs at all and just presents Arizona pics to the world?
;D
What sort of non-conspiracy interpretation would you connect to that, then? :D
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OU.com is pretty wacky but this thread takes the cake.
Again I disagree. You should read the Lee-Tseung thread.
While this is, admittedly, a bit flakey and verges on the edge of improbability, but still mostly entertaining,
the Lee-Tseung thread is really off. :) That guy actually believes he can extract free energy from gravity
by using his self-invented "Lee-Tseung Pull" during a pendulum swing. He can't prove one bit of it, and has
been proven wrong quite a number of times already, but he didn't give up. Recently his son-in-law came
on here and asked everyone in that thread to stop feeding the old guys delusions as he was actually
mentally not well. So if you really want to read a nutcases ranting, go there. :)
The people who frequented the thread called it "the Larry Tseung comedy Hour". ;D

Offline Bobbotov

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Re: Mars color
« Reply #168 on: July 21, 2008, 03:51:58 PM »
Why bother going to the moon when you can fake it? Reasoning like that doesn't get you anywhere either...
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Well then why make love when you can fake it? The problem with all of this is that there are so many weak minded people out there stuff like this becomes mythological memes that get repeated, expanded, twisted, perpetuated and the world has enough crap floating around on the internet to make it pure noise. What is the benefit of that? The problem with the internet is that there is just not enough Woo-woo, right?

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And although I agree that Raymond is a bit focused on what he believes is his crack at a disinformation sceme,
I would not want to go so far as to say he is out of his mind. That seems a bit harsh

By his own admission he spends literally hundreds of hours staring at one picture. Hundreds of hours? That is several weeks man. That is a tad more than "a bit focused." And if you spend that much time staring at anything you are going to start hallucinating.

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There's people who idolise (as in deify) Elvis,
there's people still looking for the thrid gunman on the grassy nole, there's people who literally believe fire and brimstone
are going to hail down from the sky when the third angel pours out the scales, and there's even people who seem to
believe you can fight terrorism by terrorising people, and the latter actually run a country.

So by your reasoning since there is a plethora of nut cases in the world then they get a pass for being ubiquitous? Sounds like insanity is winning over logic.

Maybe it is because of letting people off the hook like this a President really can use fear to advance their agendas which goes beyond just harmless pastimes into real world death and destruction. If reality has no meaning anymore then all manner of open ended delusions will reign and they are not all benign as you yourself alluded.
 
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So what's the big problem with Raburgesons hobby to study and interpret Mars pictures that do get pulled from
the web for reasons unknown? Leave him be, let him tell us what he thinks he sees. I don't see most of the
stuff he talks about, but he's not actually harassing anyone with it, and if you don't want to read his posts
you certainly don't have to. Did you ever enjoy watching X-files, or did you go around telling everyone that that
Fox Mulder character is one crazy sob with his alien conspiracy ideas? ;)

How I am stopping him even if I could? He is free to spooge whatever he wants and I am free to comment in any way I want. The X-files is not a good comparison as it is fictional and not pawned off as reality on any level. And you can champion nut cases all you want but don't expect people to take you too seriously either through that association. And he may be harmless but some other wacko that reads it and believes may not be if there is no voice to temper specious ramblings.

By the same token, you don't have to read or respond to my posts either but you do. Double standard perhaps?

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Yeah, except for the fact that nowadays Nasa is NOT the only one taking Mars pics anymore, the ESA has been doing it too,
and their pictures show different colours than the Nasa ones... Ok, NASA recently adjusted the most recent pictures to accord
more with the true colours as to not be ridiculed for publicising red shifted pictures, and the ESA lander/rover failed after landing
so there's not really any surface pics from ESA yet, but the orbital pics are very good. And besides that, taking pictures and analysing them
are two different things. That NASA took the pictures does not mean they also have absolute knowledge of what they show,
nor that they wouldn't alter the pics if they did show anything they don't want the public to know about.

I just saw a program called World War Two in Color and the colors were all off. I guess they faked WWII also. And what would be the benefit of NASA altering the color? What clandestine agenda do they have? And why would assuming they have a clandestine agenda end up on the short list of possible answers? How can any of this help NASA in any of their worthwhile future endeavors when it would be exposed through other sources eventually?

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Ever heard of the Disclosure Project?
Perhaps interesting to check it out, especially on the subject of NASA picture editing? ;)
Or just for fun, you might want to look up Phil Schneider. ;D Totally different stuff, but very X-files. :D

Using the Disclosure Project to support any credible debate is like saying a fairy godmother is your advisor.

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True. And you could also get to Mars, find it to be very much like Arizona or New Mexico, and decide to red-shift the colours a bit
and blur out any waterlike features so that those nasty Russians don't get it into their cold-war minds to actually go there.

That makes no sense as we have been in joint space projects with the Russians and they have always been free to do whatever space exploration they want on their own and they have as are any other countries. A realistic issue with the Russians is the US putting missile defense systems in Poland not what the US is doing on Mars. And this business of obscuring water on Mars makes no sense either when it is one of things that NASA is hoping to find verifiable proof of.

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But let's follow that path of thought of yours for another few steps eh?
So you say NASA could have taken shots of a dry Arizona/New Mexico region and presented them as MArs pictures, since nobody
else actually has a rover on Mars so nobody can confirm or falsify their pictures?
Hehe, now who's talking about conspiracies?
So you're calling Raburgeson crazy for claiming to see airbrushed and otherwise altered pictures of Mars from NASA,
but you suggest NASA may not have actually taken pictures on MArs at all and just presents Arizona pics to the world? What sort of non-conspiracy interpretation would you connect to that, then? :D
;D

I never said that is what NASA did so don't spin it into something it is not. It just makes it look like you cannot comprehend the written word. What I am saying is that as a conspiracy theory it makes no sense to alter real pictures to obfuscate some clandestine operation when it would be more practical to take pictures of something entirely unrelated and pawn that off to a public that has no way of verifying one way or the other at this point in time. By doing so there is no chance of revealing something you do not want the public to see if in fact that was ever a realistic consideration which it is not. And besides it is just a matter of time before other countries have the capability of going to the Moon or Mars to make this whole thing moot.

If I was writing a script for the X-Files I would opt for this approach over altering real pictures if a coverup was truly my aim.

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Again I disagree. You should read the Lee-Tseung thread.

I know of Larry long before his postings here on OU.com.

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While this is, admittedly, a bit flakey and verges on the edge of improbability, but still mostly entertaining,
the Lee-Tseung thread is really off. :) That guy actually believes he can extract free energy from gravity
by using his self-invented "Lee-Tseung Pull" during a pendulum swing. He can't prove one bit of it, and has
been proven wrong quite a number of times already, but he didn't give up. Recently his son-in-law came
on here and asked everyone in that thread to stop feeding the old guys delusions as he was actually
mentally not well. So if you really want to read a nutcases ranting, go there. :)
The people who frequented the thread called it "the Larry Tseung comedy Hour". ;D

That is no different than virtually all of the free energy, perpetual motion, overunity threads on this site and their proponents. And essentially what you are saying is that this thread is just a shorthair away from another, over the top delusion.



Offline raburgeson

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Re: Mars color
« Reply #169 on: July 26, 2008, 03:27:33 PM »
We called them on the color of the sky because we had previous pictures from Europe's mission. They finally as an admission said they added red to make it look more like Mars. They also disclosed they lied about Venus's atmosphere. That if the atmosphere was that extreme temperature a parachute would not survive to land a probe. You can see the poles with a telescope from your back yard. If Mars was a cold as they claim if would be covered in a fine layer of frost. There is a temperate area between the poles.

I have picked up a couple of gigs of new images. Beware the prospectives they are going to release. They intend to lead the general population by the nose to believe what they want them to believe. The perspectives are complete computer fabrications. Like you who have looked at 2d images all your life can't realize the perspective on your own. They are liars and crooks and they have been caught so many times I don't want their crap, I want real pictures. Those people you are taking the word of have no credibility. I'm one person that can tell if an image has been modified. You can go out in your back yard and take a higher quality picture right now than the crap they have been releasing to us.

They are trying to say now that one crater is only 750 feet across, they need a panorama for that? It's miles across and I have a older picture with the silhouette of the outline of the US over that region that shows it's area is larger than the United States. Not the crater the region, I wouldn't be surprised if you couldn't fit a good sized city in there though. I'm not backing down from these liars, they have been lying to me all my life and I will beat the truth out of them. The scariest lie they ever told you and for about 6 years was only queers get AIDS, they don't even care if the lies they tell kill you. I didn't get AIDS by the way, I was aware of what they are and intelligent enough to realize that the microbe does not care who the host is.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2008, 03:54:26 PM by raburgeson »

Offline Libra8

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Re: Mars color
« Reply #170 on: July 26, 2008, 06:11:46 PM »
A selection of images from the Mars probes
http://home.gci.net/~wmgregg/mars.htm#head

The ob_22_reull_v2 is very interesting.


Also the following is a must see.
A very high resolution 5.9 meg.
E1001841.gif
http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/e07_e12/full_gif_non_map/E10/E1001841.gif
http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/e07_e12/images/E10/E1001841.html

Take a look at the borders of darker to lighter areas what does it look like? Those who are familiar with aerial photography high altitude here on earth may have a better appreciation of this pic. Use your picture program and magnify...
Enjoy.

I'm no expert but it looks like shrubs or bushes in those two shots.


Offline raburgeson

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Re: Mars color
« Reply #171 on: July 27, 2008, 01:55:45 AM »
I highly recommend the picture called athabascafloods easily found on google advanced image search, extra large. It seems they have a problem controlling the water now and then.

Also,

http://www.phys.ncku.edu.tw/~astrolab/mirrors/apod/image/0609/cydonia_marsexpress_big.jpg

Cydonia, If they send a probe there they better put it on a boat.

Offline Koen1

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Re: Mars color
« Reply #172 on: July 30, 2008, 01:59:47 PM »
Why? Looks very dry to me...
Don't see any water on that Cydonia pic... ???

That b&w pic of the pole which shows what look like shubs or bush
is very interesting though... :)

Offline jacek

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Re: Mars color
« Reply #173 on: August 03, 2008, 06:03:39 AM »
Hi guys,

I read parts of this thread, haven't reached my own conclusion because of lack of any expertise in digital imaging, but must say that the subject is interesting.
What do you make of this Youtube video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjtZGeD0wQY

Offline Koen1

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Re: Mars color
« Reply #174 on: August 04, 2008, 02:55:45 PM »
I make of it a recap of the by now old "discovery" that
Nasa did not publish most of their pics in "true colour".
It caused quite a bit of ruckus when that first came out
a couple of years ago.
In the mean time the ESA orbiter pictures have confirmed
that the colour of the sand etc on Mars is indeed much
closer to an Earth norm desert colour than any of Nasa's
Viking and later pictures showed.
The original pictures Nasa published from the Mars Rover
were still redshifted, as was easily proven by comparing colour
pictures of the thing here on Earth with those taken by the
thing itself on Mars, and renormalising the yellow cable that
looked orange on the Mars pics. After several groups had done
so, and especialy after the ESA orbiter pictures were published,
all of a sudden Nasa changed its attitude from "No no, you're all
wrong, Mars really does look red!" to "well we don't see what the
fuss is about, just look at our database full of true colour pictures
that show yellowish-brown desert sand and blueish skies... What
do you mean misleading pictures?"...
Now they act as if they never claimed Mars was brick-red at all!
...
just like they first said "there is no water on Mars",
then it very slowly turned into "there might be some water ice on Mars"
and now just the other week newspapers bellowed "Nasa finds water on Mars!"...

Hmmm... what will be next?
I'm waiting for Nasa to change their opinion about the Martian atmosphere
from "there's no breathable air on Mars" via "there might be air that could be
breathable for a little while, on Mars" to finally read in the newspapers
"Nasa finds Martian atmosphere breathable!"...
;D


Anyway, that youtube video is mostly correct, looks like.

Offline raburgeson

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Re: Mars color
« Reply #175 on: August 07, 2008, 08:01:54 AM »
I put together a package of crops, I can make much more but it's time to get to the point. The American taxpayer has spent billions and get airbrushed and computerized garbage and lies for there investment. I also was waiting for a trap type response from NASA and they didn't fail me. I got a crop of a nude sunbather on the rover solar panel. Also I have 2 other crops 2 inch high workers and reflection of someone (airbrushed of course) adjusting something on the rover. I'm flattered really that they would go through the trouble for little old me. If your under 50 cover your eyes. The crops include a package for the Japanese that thought they got rid of the lies by sending up JAXA's moon low orbiter. Sorry guys, go after them. Well enough chewing the fat, I think I have 2 copies of one folder, my boo-boo. I have one somewhere on the machine yet to release in that case. Do study the pictures on Mars, with all the money wasted it worth the time to make up your mind. It's been hell and you guys have been swell.

The crops are here,

http://rapidshare.com/files/135436608/ExposeThem.rar.html

And here's the other crop, cover your eyes and no peeking now.

The people that jerk around the human race like this should be shot for treason. We are still using oil because they have hidden new forms of power. There is a picture on the net of the Milkyway Galaxy from the center and at least 100 light years out to get it all. It's easy to get so I won't provide a link.

Offline madsen

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Re: Mars color
« Reply #176 on: August 07, 2008, 08:30:06 AM »
I got a crop of a nude sunbather on the rover solar panel. Also I have 2 other crops 2 inch high workers and reflection of someone (airbrushed of course) adjusting something on the rover.

(http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-raise.gif)

So is the sunbather also 2 inches tall? 

Might be good to label your post NSFW is there's nudity. 


Offline Michelinho

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Re: Mars color
« Reply #177 on: August 07, 2008, 09:23:50 AM »

Hi everyone,

I agree that were are taken for fools by science and politic.

I highly recommend a visit to Ted Twietmeyer's site data4science.net. He touches different aspect of the Mars Anomalies along with other interesting analyses.

On Mars atmosphere and Air:  http://www.data4science.net/index.php?project=mars&view=sky

That may turn a few skeptics.

Keep your searches going,

Michel

Offline raburgeson

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Re: Mars color
« Reply #178 on: August 12, 2008, 12:49:42 AM »
I just came across a site that agrees they are mining.

http://Http://www.ancientmoons.net  and if you would like to see rapids pick up the picture:

chasma_marsexpress_f50

Search it without the _ _ _ like, chasma marsexpress f50

This picture will disappear from the net fast so get it right away.

You can see the rapids without modifying the picture but, I recommend using autolevels in photoshop to see it right. Anything including ACDC, gimp and others highlight this image. Old image they though the extra red was enough to hide everything.

Offline onlylove1107

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Re: Mars color
« Reply #179 on: April 04, 2010, 05:55:23 PM »
Looks the same but I do not trust much. Although scientists have hypothesized that water on Mars but is only now leaving the pits as the water evaporated away free time. Wait scientists have opinions!

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