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Offline Holz-Michl

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Re: Mars color
« Reply #105 on: June 29, 2008, 09:42:35 AM »
Hi there!

@raburgeson: Man you have spent a lot of time on your "project" but it is very hard for an ordinary guy like me to see what you are seeing.
I worked with a company producing paints etc. i.e. my eyes are trained to find bits of colour that shouldnt be there. You are right, there are several parts in those pictures you posted which seem manipulated. But as hard as i am trying, i can't see what you are seeing. There's not the slightest chance for it even if i look at the pictures for an hour.
The fact that there are several white pixels in the logo cant be denied; but i can't tell if it is there by accident or to hide space invasion.
I am sure NASA doesnt tell us the truth, that there are things going on, no one can imagine. But guessing what shapes can be seen on these pictures reminds my of a partygame at "new year": Throw hot liquid metal in cold water and see what nice forms you get, maybe a dog or a car or whatever.

I respect your work, especially the Marscolor thing, but are you sure you are on the right track with the pictures?

Greets from Germany (please excuse the lame english)

See you!

Mike

Offline Groundloop

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Re: Mars color
« Reply #106 on: June 29, 2008, 10:52:53 AM »
@raburgeson,

I have spent some hours trying to see if there was a pattern in the "blur" of images. Although I agree with you that the quality of the "raw" jpg images is terrible, I can not find any pattern in the blur.

Thank you for the link to the picture. As far as I can see, this picture is a wallpaper edition of the original tif image found on the jpl's web site here: http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA05104,OrigCaption

This is what NASA says about the image:

"This approximate true color image taken by the panoramic camera onboard the Mars Exploration Rover Spirit shows "Adirondack," the rover's first target rock. Spirit traversed the sandy martian terrain at Gusev Crater to arrive in front of the football-sized rock on Sunday, Jan. 18, 2004, just three days after it successfully rolled off the lander. The rock was selected as Spirit's first target because its dust-free, flat surface is ideally suited for grinding. Clean surfaces also are better for examining a rock's top coating. Scientists named the angular rock after the Adirondack mountain range in New York. The word Adirondack is Native American and means "They of the great rocks."

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Offline raburgeson

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Re: Mars color
« Reply #107 on: June 29, 2008, 03:24:48 PM »
The pattern is generated, it doesn't repeat the same pattern. There are patents on the net for photograph encryption. That's why we need it cracked. They use algorithms to plot the placement and color of the pixels. If you look at the crop below you can follow the code right up into the picture not to mention that the code is hanging right off the edge were everyone in the world can look at it.

Everything is right on schedule, they were going to release information and now they have clammed up. No it's time for me to wait for the Chinese. I know you are trying to find what I'm talking about. The problem is the debunkers and disinformers are here, big , big , money want this to disappear and be forgotten right now. They want me laughed out of existence. There are only these 2 pictures that have real value. Larry's Lookout simply was not finished. Only the first layer of disinformation got put on it. Husband Hill was a failure for them because the code simply failed to hide the facts.

I put directions to another pop bottle up and a pop can. I said there was no air brush on the pop bottle. There is, however there is none on the pop can. I was fishing for a big money spook and I haven't read the results yet. OF course I didn't really expect any, they can't really come back and say there is too a airbrush over that pop bottle can they?

Zoom in on this. This is not normal, step out and take a picture and inspect the results.

Offline PGWDP

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Re: Mars color
« Reply #108 on: June 29, 2008, 07:58:40 PM »
That so-called "code" in those images?

It's called "lossy image compression artifacts".

You can create the same patterns yourself:

1) Open Microsoft Paint.
2) Use the 'fill' tool to make the background black
3) Use the 'line' tool to make a line across the entire image. Make the line at an angle. The color isn't important, as long as it's not also black.
4) Use the 'fill' tool to fill in one side of the line with the same color.

At this point, you can take a screenshot of the Paint window (use Alt-Printscreen) and paste the clipboard contents into your favorite image viewer/editor and verify that there is no hidden "code" or pattern in the image. Zoom in 600%, change the contrast, etc. You won't see anything except the image you created.

Now, back to Microsoft Paint:
5) Save your image as a JPEG file.
6) Open the JPEG file in your favorite image viewer/editor and inspect it. Zoom in 600% on the boundary between the two colors and adjust the contrast, etc.  You should see the same types of patterns that are visible in the Mars images.

My point-and-shoot digital camera saves its images as JPEG files. I could "step out and take a picture and inspect the results", and I would see the same types of compression artifacts in the pictures I took, although not at quite the same extremes since my camera doesn't compress the images quite as severely as the NASA images are compressed.

(If the two attachments are successfully attached, one of them is a severely compressed JPEG screenshot of me making this post. In the JPEG screenshot, you can see the same "patterns" in the picture of the Water Motor on the left side, and you can see it in the post editor buttons and around all of the text. Test.jpg is the result of follow the steps above.)

Offline utilitarian

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Re: Mars color
« Reply #109 on: June 29, 2008, 08:39:39 PM »
raburgeson:

I think even in your wild fantasies, Mars would still qualify as a planet which is 99.999% undisturbed by man.  Don't you think those evil geniuses at NASA could find some Mars surface to photograph that doesn't have any freaking soda cans on it?  I can just see them talking.

Fred:  OK, let's distribute these photos here
Bob:  Wait, I see a soda can here, and there is a guy's arm in the shot over there, see?
Fred:  No problem, we'll just photoshop that out.
Bob:  Don't bother, we have like 6000 photos that don't have soda cans or people in it, let's use one of those
Fred:  No, Bob, don't you get it, we need to use the photos with suspicious stuff in them and photoshop them, it's better that way

Offline Groundloop

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Re: Mars color
« Reply #110 on: June 29, 2008, 10:06:50 PM »
@utilitarian,

Al tough I agree with PGWDP that most of the images has jpg artifacts still some of the images has
a very high degree of "blur" that is not in relationship with the byte size of the image. If we take a good
1024 x 1024 x 16 (bit) black and white image and jpg compress that image down to approx. 700 Kbyte,
the image will still look much better than the "raw" images posted for Spirit and Opportunity. The ICER
compression used by the rovers computer IS capable of compressing to almost lossless images. The
main reduction in quality is when NASA take the already ICER compressed images and then compress
them again to jpg.

But there is another worrying aspect with the "raw" images on the jpl web site. I have reason to believe that
all of the images has gone through a computer graphic process called rendering. The "raw" image is computed
and then the rebuilt using computer graphic modeling. You just "build" the image by adding layers onto the
background. Attached is a image released on the web that shows what happen when the computer program
crash and just the unfinished image is posted. (Yes, people do make errors.) Here you can clearly see that only
some of the layers in the image was added. I have also attached a image without the errors for comparison.
(I had to compress the image a lot to fit the 100K requirements on this forum.)

The image at left was posted on the Opportunity web site at Sol 38. A couple of days later a new image was posted,
this time corrected without any rendering faults. What I'm trying to say here is that there is more to this than just jpg
artifacts.

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Offline Koen1

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Re: Mars color
« Reply #111 on: June 30, 2008, 01:27:50 PM »
Fred:  OK, let's distribute these photos here
Bob:  Wait, I see a soda can here, and there is a guy's arm in the shot over there, see?
Fred:  No problem, we'll just photoshop that out.
Bob:  Don't bother, we have like 6000 photos that don't have soda cans or people in it, let's use one of those
Fred:  No, Bob, don't you get it, we need to use the photos with suspicious stuff in them and photoshop them, it's better that way

Burt: Yes, that makes sense, we did that with the moon pictures too.
Fred: Hmm you've got a point there... Ok, here's the folder of pictures with soda cans and stripmines on them. Better take
the clearest ones and just smudge them a bit.
Burt: Don't take the ones with too much stuff on them eh, otherwise it'll be very messy once we overlay the transparencies
we photoshopped out of old war movies.
Bob: Oh right I nearly forgot about that. Which one are we going to use today?
Burt: Schedule says today we're using shots from "Ben Hur" and "The Dirty Dozen".
Fred: Oh good, at least we won't get people phoning in like they did after we used "E.T." shots...
Bob: Well it depends eh, we still haven't run into any trouble for pasting that propellor airplane on those moon pics.
Burt: Yeah, nor for that face we put on Mars. Some idiot actually made a career out of that, can you believe it?
Fred: Well whatever, just make sure you overlay that artifact layer. That always kills every investigation, just
pointing out artifact layers. How long wil it take the politicians to grow enough brains to understand you can just
overlay such a layer?
Burt&Bob: Haha, well forever apparently... They still haven't figured out that you can't get exactly the same
background picture when you walk back to your moon lander after an hours walk... It seems they simply
can't put two and two together.
Fred: Hehe you guys are right....
Bob: Ah what the heck, le's just use one of those pics that show the stripmine, people are too stupid to see it anyway.
Burt: Good call.

;D

Offline Groundloop

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Re: Mars color
« Reply #112 on: June 30, 2008, 03:39:08 PM »
@Koen1,

This Spirit crop never stops to amuse me. LOL

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Offline Koen1

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Re: Mars color
« Reply #113 on: June 30, 2008, 11:44:00 PM »
Lol nice one :D

I stil like these, the "Apollo8 Lunar Base photo"
and the "Apollo20 Flyby over Crashed Ancient Spaceship"
(from the "famous" video) ;D

Offline Groundloop

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Re: Mars color
« Reply #114 on: July 01, 2008, 12:22:08 AM »
@Koen1,

As far as I remember there was no Apollo20 so the "Crashed Ancient Spaceship" video is most probably a fake.

My crops IS from web posted JPL/NASA images.

@raburgeson,

This is your thread and it is called "Mars color" so I will try to stay on topic.
Attached is a crop from a Spirit image. I have tried to remove as much jpg artifacts
and "blur" as human possible. The outcome is the image attached. I have rebuilt the
three black/white Spirit images (taken with red,blue and green filters) as good as I could.
Then I have croped the image and resized it 3 times. (The image is then recompressed
to jpg to get it smaller than the 100K requirement of this web forum.)

Groundloop.

Offline Koen1

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Re: Mars color
« Reply #115 on: July 01, 2008, 02:31:45 PM »
@Koen1,

As far as I remember there was no Apollo20 so the "Crashed Ancient Spaceship" video is most probably a fake.
Yeah, I know the Apollo 20 mission was cancelled in early 1970 and Nasa never (officially) launched the last 3
scheduled Apollos (18 through 20). Something to do with them needing the Saturn rockets to ship Skylab parts up to orbit
or something. Somehow they figured landing on the moon for the n-th time just to drive around in a rover and hop about
a little was not worth the effort anymore, and instead a fairly useless Skylab was...

But you must have heard about the U.S.Army/Airforce's military brother of Nasa's program? Space Command?
There's tons of accounts of people who were in the army and airforce at the time and who claim to have
somehow been involved in a covert military space program. These stories range from army personnel trained in
spacecraft recovery to people who have actually witnessed army/airforce rockets being launched. And they're
not just talking about launching satellites.

Of course I have no concrete evidence of that, nor can I say with any degree of certainty that the alleged Apollo20
video is anything of the sort.
I'd like it to be true though. ;)
And it doesn't necessarily have anything to do with aliens either: ancient Indian Vedic texts account of a huge
war between two large earthbound empires, both on land and in the skies, where "magic" weapons were used
such as "spears of light" that could "vapourise cities", and where use was made of "vimana" meaning "flying vehicles",
that even fought dogfights in the sky and on the moon. Wouldn't it be great if they did indeed find such an ancient
crashed craft, landed near it, entered it, and found the inside scribbled with Sanskrit ? ;D

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My crops IS from web posted JPL/NASA images.
Anyway, could you please tell me where you found that shoe picture?
Perhaps a direct weblink or full picture name and picture quadrant?
'Cuz I've been googling but cannot find any references to that martian shoe of yours. ;)

Offline PGWDP

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Re: Mars color
« Reply #116 on: July 01, 2008, 03:25:17 PM »
Anyway, could you please tell me where you found that shoe picture?
Perhaps a direct weblink or full picture name and picture quadrant?
'Cuz I've been googling but cannot find any references to that martian shoe of yours. ;)

Go to http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/spirit.html. In the "Navigation Camera" box, find Sol 121, select it and click the "View Selected Sol" button below the box. The two images will be in the third and fourth columns, three down from the top. (http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/spirit_n121.html and http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/n/121/2N137116002EFF4204P1827L0M1.HTML)

(So that's where my lost left shoe went too! Mars is the land of lost left shoes! That's the big secret that NASA and the government have been trying to keep from us!  :o  :D )

[Edit: Oops, messed up the URLs. Fixed.]

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Re: Mars color
« Reply #117 on: July 01, 2008, 03:44:14 PM »
@Koen1,

There is many images because the rover took several images with different filters so I think it is possible to make a colour image also.

Goto: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/spirit_n121_text.html

And download:

11)     2N137116002EFF4204P1827L0M1.JPG
12)    2N137116002EFF4204P1827R0M1.JPG
13)    2N137116052EFF4204P1827L0M1.JPG
14)    2N137116052EFF4204P1827R0M1.JPG
15)    2N137116103EFF4204P1827L0M1.JPG
16)    2N137116103EFF4204P1827R0M1.JPG
17)    2N137116923EFF4204P1846L0M1.JPG
18)    2N137116923EFF4204P1846R0M1.JPG
19)    2N137117086EFF4204P1846L0M1.JPG
20)    2N137117086EFF4204P1846R0M1.JPG
21)    2N137117283EFF4204P1846L0M1.JPG
22)    2N137117283EFF4204P1846R0M1.JPG
23)    2N137117523EFF4204P1846L0M1.JPG
24)    2N137117523EFF4204P1846R0M1.JPG
25)    2N137117654EFF4204P1846L0M1.JPG
26)    2N137117654EFF4204P1846R0M1.JPG
27)    2N137117718EFF4204P1846L0M1.JPG
28)    2N137117718EFF4204P1846R0M1.JPG
29)    2N137117854EFF4204P1846L0M1.JPG
30)    2N137117854EFF4204P1846R0M1.JPG

(OBS, some of the images is the area around the "shoe" image)

You can also make a stereo anaglyph (3D) image since both left and right camera was used.

Yes, I have read most of the books covering acient history and myths. I think we can find evidence of the stories here on Earth, the Moon and on Mars.
 
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Offline PGWDP

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Re: Mars color
« Reply #118 on: July 01, 2008, 04:44:20 PM »
BTW, this image (http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/f/121/2F137115892EFF4204P1212L0M1.JPG) from the "Front Hazecam" appears to also include the "shoe rock".

Here is the description page for that image: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/f/121/2F137115892EFF4204P1212L0M1.HTML.

The attachment is a scaled down crop (to fit in the attachment size limits) that has the "shoe rock" circled. You should hopefully be able to find it in the full-sized image based on the context shown in the crop.

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Re: Mars color
« Reply #119 on: July 01, 2008, 07:18:23 PM »
@PGWDP,

Thanks for the link. Attached is a scaled up crop with added false colours.

It still looks more like a shoe than a rock.

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