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Title: it's working?!!!!!
Post by: pree5 on February 13, 2011, 08:10:25 PM
 ???it's working?http://i53.tinypic.com/2ewnsdg.gif (http://i53.tinypic.com/2ewnsdg.gif)
Title: Re: it's working?!!!!!
Post by: mscoffman on February 13, 2011, 08:32:12 PM
Good work pree5;
a) How many wire turns on the coil 24:24?  What wire? 28Gauge Hookup wire?
b) What torroid core?
b) What kind of rechargeable battery? - Alkaline?

:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: it's working?!!!!!
Post by: Poit on February 13, 2011, 09:23:56 PM
please don't consider me a "nah sayer" or the sorts.. but i must ask....... how do you conclude this actually works?? I am not trying to start an argument, just an honest question...
Title: Re: it's working?!!!!!
Post by: gyulasun on February 13, 2011, 10:18:27 PM
please don't consider me a "nah sayer" or the sorts.. but i must ask....... how do you conclude this actually works?? I am not trying to start an argument, just an honest question...

Hi Poit,

This circuit surely works!  BUT if you object this conclusion I guess you object it works as a circuit that gives extra output energy versus the input energy?
If you mean this, then you are right: I do not think either this circuit can give free energy...   its advantage to a simple Joule thief may be that uses a second battery that is charged during the operation and you can replace the input battery with this charging battery when the input battery already gets discharged: this process can postpone the total discharge time for both batteries versus the case when you use a single input battery and you use the total output energy for lighting more LEDs.
Can you agree with this?  (This is an honest answer from me...  :) )

rgds,  Gyula
Title: Re: it's working?!!!!!
Post by: infringer on February 14, 2011, 01:31:29 AM
The gif is excellent likely the most understandable circuit diagram I have seen on this form to date due to the animations excellent job there. But yes I would have to agree it will likely reduce the discharge time by no more then half and likely less then half due to losses but this is only a crude guess with no experiment conducted should be simple to replicate and measure the time it stays lit vs a joule thief with a single battery I would assume "WHICH IS A BAD PRACTICE AGAIN" that you would be better off with two separate joule thieves run one then run one immediately after the first one lights no more providing light for a longer period of time if not I would be rather astounded at such a feat.

Surely this deserves further looking into then my ramblings of what I expect will happen saying and doing are two far different animals.

However we do need the information requested by mscoffman in order to carry out such a test to investigate this claim further or we could end up with bad results which could be related to not using the same exact materials.

I suggest you provide a full materials list with specifications needed to replicate such a claim as we all know without replication a FE device has no chance of survival.
Title: Re: it's working?!!!!!
Post by: dasimpson on February 14, 2011, 02:59:25 AM
i would hate to burst your bubble but this has allready been done
and proven that pulses do not correctly charge a battery
Title: Re: it's working?!!!!!
Post by: gadgetmall on February 14, 2011, 04:02:20 AM
i would hate to burst your bubble but this has allready been done
and proven that pulses do not correctly charge a battery
This looks similar to  the first  Elight Circuit and posted it somewhere in the Jt thread .  but a few components are left out mainly a few caps  ,germaniums a special transistor and switch ....never mind i remember getting hammered about the true elight  circuit i never released that is not a jt  . some one could  have disassembled one of the first ones i sold without the switch and special parts.first ones  went for 20 bucks and christmas presents . with the above circuit it will charge another battery as there is current associated with that secondary battery circuit especially if you add a few caps to the rectified output and use germanium diodes for little loss  . I posted that circuit back in 2008 in pirates thread but never the final revision with the switching and special stuff .  . These will run months on the battery before you switch it . also i have one running over two years and it charges it self without switching and its case in lucite  . It has reduced brightness and if you wave the light you can see it strobing . thats how slow the oscillations are. My provisional patent ran out last august on E-Light2  and gave the rights a friend in Istanbul so he can do what he likes . The circuit above appear as a standard Jt  .if you ask jesus he has a thread called feedback to source and lots of these circuits were tested with good results. I have given up Claiming anything "Ou""Wolf" and just keep it to my self as i almost got into big trouble and do not want to jeopardize My  daughter or be threatened ever again.And believe me I Spoke my mind and I was Stupid in doing so . I was Ignorant ,desperate and needing to help the only way i knew how was to get a product out there that could be used for good . What i dumb idea . They dont want anyone to have something like that . You must follow the rules ,dont make waves and spend all your money on gas and batteries:) Thats what makes the world go around .No something you can get FREE energy from . thats a Nono . I conformed . It got the best of me and thank you lord for every day i have left  .

gadget Al
Title: Re: it's working?!!!!!
Post by: resonanceman on February 14, 2011, 04:25:35 AM
i would hate to burst your bubble but this has allready been done
and proven that pulses do not correctly charge a battery

Dasimpson

Yes it has been done before.
What do you mean by not correctly charging the battery?
In my opinion this  is just a smokescreen used to prevent people from looking deeper.

It is clear to me that the curriculum of our collages have been tweaked to not allow OU.
I think think it is only common sense  to see that if everyone with training states that positively something can't ever  be done........some kind of politics are at work.
The patent office  will accept any idea you have that seems even remotely plausable.......except energy related ideas.....if it is energy related  you have to prove it is not breaking any of the rules geared to prevent people from finding  OU.....politics again



Charging  a battery with pulses is different  from charging with current.
The voltage of the battery will raise to a a voltage that would indicate full charge with a conventional charger.........this has been called a ghost charge...... it has been used by skeptics to prove charging with pulses does not work........in truth it is just incomplete charging.

I have some batterys that have not seen a normal charger for a couple  years........they work great...

Don't believe everything  you read here.
The most unscientific things that go on here involve the skeptics.
They expect you to prove your circuit overcomes every law they can throw at  you......all it takes is one doubt.........and you accept their findings.......
Why is it that the experimenter is expected to prove everything but the skeptic only has to spew laws and never prove they are even applicable or true.

The belief that  no circuit can create usable energy is the dumbest concept I have ever heard..............but it has been drummed into the heads of millions of very smart people.
These people are the first line of defense for the energy industry's profits.......there are many other lines of defense.

Trust  your circuits...... not what others say.......especially the skeptics.


gary


Title: Re: it's working?!!!!!
Post by: dasimpson on February 14, 2011, 03:20:30 PM
i dont belive what i am told but from what i do my self
i ran an experemt 2 batterys along side each other one charged with a jt the other charged the standerd way
the jt charged one did not hold up compared to the standerd charged one but the advantage of the jt charged one was it was charged from lower input voltages etc so in this way yes it is more effecient
also if left long enogth on charge it did charge to a fully charged state but tulk days instead of hours
Title: Re: it's working?!!!!!
Post by: dasimpson on February 14, 2011, 03:26:25 PM
i have also tried to power many things from the jt circuit other then leds but havent found any yet but i belive they maybe a chance to with super caps as they discharge other time rather then in a split second
i hope that a jt can take power from a very low voltage current but charge a cap with enogth power to run something larger
my real hope is an earth battery powered jt that then runs a pulse motor turning a generator for more usable power
but i have had problems getting my jt's to use very little power
Title: Re: it's working?!!!!!
Post by: dasimpson on February 14, 2011, 03:29:16 PM
the statement over unity is well a load of tests that no matter what you do is not proved
i mesure power in amps and volts not watts watts mean nothing amps do when on batterys we dont look how many watts we use we look at how many amos were using watts grid tied amps offgrid
Title: Re: it's working?!!!!!
Post by: NickZ on February 14, 2011, 06:07:07 PM
   Guys:
  From what I've seen when charging a second battery from the run battery is that over time both batteries will get discharged, and will need an added bump charge to bring them back the their normal working voltage. 
  I have been working on this type circuit for a while now, but have not found that it is worth the effort. I hope to be proved wrong, as this is a very important point.  It would also prove that the Jtc outputs more than it needs to run.  But charging a second battery while using no other load like an led,  is not very interesting, or useful.  The led is the thief, so if any are used in the circuit for lighting, the Jt may not be able to overcome its draw, and still charge the second battery faster than it's draining the run battery, at least, when more than One led is used.
  If a solar panel is used to maintain a steady charge on the run battery this may not be the case,  otherwise it is a losing battle, as the run batteries will discharge, and will not be doing anything to charge the second battery. The process can last a while, yes, but not forever.
   A Jt circuit that can self-run and self charge and also put out some Usable light,  has NOT REALLY been made.  Or, If so, Can it be proven?
   Guys in black will not come knocking for such insignificant circuits that still use batteries that must be purchased.  Or will they? What are we trying to hide, the fact that we have NOT been able get this to work as we would like it to. 
  Lets get real,  or we'll be waisting more time. Time is one thing that we may not have too much left of,   before S*** hits the fan.
  What have we really gained with the the Joule Thief, Captret or Joule Ringer circuit? As they all still discharge their battery or caps.
Efficient, fun circuits,   but no cigar. 
 
   
 
                                         
   


Title: Re: it's working?!!!!!
Post by: pree5 on March 20, 2011, 07:20:46 PM

 :)
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Post by: pree5 on March 20, 2011, 07:29:40 PM
 :)
Title: Re: it's working?!!!!!
Post by: Poit on March 20, 2011, 07:34:23 PM
CAT5 cable for the coil? I do the same thing :)

So, what tests have you run on this ?
Title: Re: it's working?!!!!!
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on March 20, 2011, 10:57:58 PM
Hi pree5, thanks for sharing your ideas and pics. I have tried charging a second cell, though it never charged 1 to 1, maybe 50%. Though your showing a little different circuit in your second gif, i'll have another look.

gadgetmall, i would suggest looking at what one is conforming to, before assuming it's the best choice for ones good.
It seems people are learning here on earth, that fear or fear based systems will never ever work for the good of all, it just takes some longer to figure this out.
No matter how good of a slave one intends to be within these systems, it will eventually swallow you up as well. True reality is based in love.
I just recently had a police guy tell me point blank, "our studies show that using fear and the fear of punishment in some form, is the best way to control peoples actions".
Now keep that in mind and look at everything in this world and you will plainly see, all these societal systems are using the very same thought systems.
These thought systems view human beings as a commodity to be traded and used like a piece of meat. These thought systems and the people supporting them, would not flinch at throwing us into a meat grinder, it would seem.
Why do they do this, because there minds have been programmed with fear and thus there actions all reflect a fear based survival instinct that tends to destroy rather than create.
Look around, if you have the eyes and heart to see and it will be self evident.
For who knows how long, humans have been operating in the fear operating system. It is a learning experience apparently and we have forgotten that we are eternal beings and we are energy beings having a physical experience, not the other way round.
So indeed, for a long time, a few groups of humans saw that they could very easily manipulate the masses if they were kept in a state of lack and fearing for there physical survival. Which by the way, has everything to do with this thread, this forum and all life for that matter.
I am not the only one to speak these words over time, many have been saying this over and over and the time has come to choose.
Choose fear (false reality) or choose love (true reality), choose wisely.
peace love light
Tyson ;)
Title: Re: it's working?!!!!!
Post by: IotaYodi on March 20, 2011, 11:34:00 PM
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I am not the only one to speak these words over time, many have been saying this over and over and the time has come to choose.
Choose fear (false reality) or choose love (true reality), choose wisely.
peace love light
That might be your reality but the real world is different. If there is no fear of the consequence of your actions against nature or humans then you are just another animal without rational thought. Fear of consequences is a tool to be used wisely. There is right and wrong and even when its taught right there are some who dont care. Without fear there would be total anarchy and our progress as humans would have slowed to a crawl.   
Title: Re: it's working?!!!!!
Post by: conradelektro on March 20, 2011, 11:37:33 PM
Joule Thief Circuits can be very efficient. It needs very little power to light a red LED and to keep the circuit oscillating (as little as 0.65 Volt and 0.4 mA). Therefore one can for sure swap the batteries in the proposed circuits many times before they are exhausted. Very few people will have the patience swapping rechargeable batteries for about a month or more.

I attach a circuit and a photo of a Joule Thief set up (which I put together with information found in the Joule Thief thread some time ago) lighting a red LED with a single AA-rechargeable battery for up to two months continuously. I used to run it with a very weak concrete-copper-aluminium-cell which failed after three  months (even when watering it). So, I am now running this little set up as a warning red LED with a AA-rechargeable battery. Quite useless, but I like it.

It shows that one could easily believe that there is some OU in a Joule Thief. But careful measurements and patience show high efficiency but no OU.

Greetings, Conrad
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Post by: resonanceman on March 21, 2011, 12:13:56 AM
That might be your reality but the real world is different. If there is no fear of the consequence of your actions against nature or humans then you are just another animal without rational thought. Fear of consequences is a tool to be used wisely. There is right and wrong and even when its taught right there are some who dont care. Without fear there would be total anarchy and our progress as humans would have slowed to a crawl.


IotaYodi

You are preaching about something you know nothing about.
You are saying Skywatcher is wrong and your version of reality is right.

You COMPLETELY missed Skywatchers point.

I would bet that you  have no place in your reality for even a hint of the idea that  we may be more than just physical.

Skywatcher  is right........we are spiritual beings that have CHOSEN to experience physical existence.

The people that truly understand more about their true nature do not need fear to keep them in line.

It is all really much simpler  than it sounds.

God is love.

It is much more rewarding to spend your time focusing on love than it is  focusing on fear.
I guess if you have no understanding of focusing on love I guess you would need to believe that using fear to control people is required

gary


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Post by: e2matrix on March 21, 2011, 03:54:42 AM
SkyWatcher123 and resonanceman, 
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Post by: e2matrix on March 21, 2011, 03:57:54 AM
pree5, very nice work on the .gif's for schematics.  Have you had this running for any measured amount of time? 
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Post by: NickZ on March 21, 2011, 04:48:55 AM
  Escuse me guys...
      @ Conradelectro and All:
     I have taken the time to test the battery swap idea, long enough to see that for my Jt set up, it's was not going to run the leds very bright for long before the input volts are under 1 volt and the other battery stops being charged, at all.  If using more than one led, it becomes a proportionally even shorter run time.
  Watching to see how long a weak red led light holds up is also pretty boring.  But they do become useful friends at night.  I use at least three of them (Jts) every night as night lights, and would love to see them last a month or more by just flipping a toggle switch on each one everyday.
   If anyone has been able to run Several Leds,  Brightly, (3 or more), not barely lit,  off of a single AA battery (or a pair of them) for a month, or more, by swapping batteries, please let us know. 
I for one would be glad to hear about it.
                                                             NickZ
Title: Re: it's working?!!!!!
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 21, 2011, 08:59:46 AM
Conrad and NickZ:

It is not hard to make a basic JT circuit that will run a decent LED and take the battery down to .2 volts.  Almost all of my hand made JT's will do that.  If yours quits at 1 volt Nick and Conrad's at .65 volts, there is some room for improvement there.  What transistors are you guys using?  That is the key to going down to a very low input.

My larger Bedini motor still charges and runs my batteries after about 1 year or more.  I have not tried any of the charging circuits on this topic yet.

Bill
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Post by: conradelektro on March 21, 2011, 11:42:28 AM
What transistors are you guys using?  That is the key to going down to a very low input.

My larger Bedini motor still charges and runs my batteries after about 1 year or more.

Bill

@Bill:

For low voltage and low power Joule Thiefs I use the transistor BC547B. Could you please tell as a better one, possibly a transistor which turns on with 0.2 Volt at the base?

I would also like to see a good specification of your "larger Bedini motor which charges your batteries for a year or more"? May be you can download the specs into the download area of this forum? There is endless information about Bedini motors, but details are almost never published. Specially the parameters of the coil and the magnets are hard to come by. Also the circuits often leave lots of questions open. I suspect that the builders do not want to spend the hours necessary to document something comprehensibly.

Greetings, Conrad

Title: Re: it's working?!!!!!
Post by: IotaYodi on March 21, 2011, 03:45:37 PM
Quote
You are preaching about something you know nothing about.
You are saying Skywatcher is wrong and your version of reality is right.
You COMPLETELY missed Skywatchers point.
I guess if you have no understanding of focusing on love I guess you would need to believe that using fear to control people is required
  Quite arrogant of you to tell me about gods love. Major audacity telling me I know nothing about it. Spare the rod spoil the child. Now tell God he was wrong about that. I missed nothing but you did. I understood what skywatcher said. It only applys to this physical world to a point. Jesus said he didnt come into this world to bring peace but brought a sword. That sword is the word. This is the reality of the world. Every knee will bow and say I am God. Hes the Supreme "being". Head man in charge. Go ahead and screw up and make his day! Look at the pain he put on Jesus.
Title: Re: it's working?!!!!!
Post by: NickZ on March 21, 2011, 03:59:06 PM
   Guys::
   It's not that the Jtc stops at 1 volt or lower, but the charging of the second charge battery stops once the run battery gets below 1 volt, because the led is on, there is no real charging going on, as the charge battery would need at least 2 or 3 volts over what the led takes, to charge up, especially if the led light is on.   AAs will normally last all night on the joule thief on with a single AA (or 24 hours or so), but that is dependent on the number and type of Leds. The above is for the battery swapping circuit.
  The idea is to make a Jtc that will be useful, economical to run, and will last at least all night lighting several leds with a usable light intensity, not barely lit, for a week with a useless light intensity.
  My point was also that more leds means shorter run times, even if they are on the pick-up coils.  There is a correlation between the leds and the battery run cycle. This thing about
the secondary coil not draining the battery because its not directly connected to the primary is just not true.
500 leds will only light for one hour even when using the best 10.000 perm ferrite core.  Maybe two hours, thats it...
  So, the question is: how many leds are best for a single AA.  24 hour run time (bright).

   A couple of cement batteries connected to a Jtc is the only portable free light idea I've seen yet.  No wires going anywhere outside the house, not dependent of sun, wind, or frozen ground.
Title: Re: it's working?!!!!!
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 21, 2011, 06:56:26 PM
@Bill:

For low voltage and low power Joule Thiefs I use the transistor BC547B. Could you please tell as a better one, possibly a transistor which turns on with 0.2 Volt at the base?

I would also like to see a good specification of your "larger Bedini motor which charges your batteries for a year or more"? May be you can download the specs into the download area of this forum? There is endless information about Bedini motors, but details are almost never published. Specially the parameters of the coil and the magnets are hard to come by. Also the circuits often leave lots of questions open. I suspect that the builders do not want to spend the hours necessary to document something comprehensibly.

Greetings, Conrad

Conrad:

All of my small JT circuits use the old 2N3904.  The light I made for my Mom ran 24 hours/day for about a month and worked fine off of "dead" batteries.  when I checked those batteries once it stopped working, the all had less than .2 volts in them, some even less than that.  I made a short video of that light on my Youtube channel.

The specs for my Bedini are going to be hard for me to remember, specifically.  I can try to look them up but, there are several videos on my channel on this motor.  From memory, I used a basic Lidmotor transformer coil with iron nails as a core. (The transformer coil is nothing more than a discovery by Lidmotor that when winding the coil, if using the RS mag wire as supplied, you get a lot more of the lighter ga. wire than you do the thicker ga. so, when you run out of the thicker, you just keep winding with the thinner until gone.)  I designed a simple device where I can adjust the gap between the rotor and the coil at will, and very exactly.  I used a vcr head and very strong neos with the south poles facing out.  It hits over 10,000 rpm on 12 volts.  I still keep burning out my 2 vr's no matter what ones I stick in there.  (I used 2 of them) Transistor is the 2N3055.  I used an 80 volt neon as well.

If you have any specific question that are not answered in my videos, just let me know and I will go back and look up the info.

Bill
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Post by: conradelektro on March 21, 2011, 08:03:41 PM
All of my small JT circuits use the old 2N3904.  when I checked those batteries once it stopped working, the all had less than .2 volts in them, some even less than that.

The specs for my Bedini are going to be hard for me to remember, specifically.  I can try to look them up but, there are several videos on my channel on this motor.
Bill

@Bill: thank you for the answer.

Concerning the 2N3904: I also used this transistor and my observation was, that it may run with less than 0.65 Volt, but it did not start with a lower Voltage than 0.65 Volt. Therefore I never tested how low down it still oscillats once started with 0.65 Volt.

Your Bedini-motor: I looked at the four videos. The VCR head is a very good idea because this wheel runs fast, accurately and quietly. The coil adjustment mechanism is very useful and seems to solve many problems. Somewhere there is an old VCR hidden in my house and I will try to find it. I collected some other wheels nicely mounted on good ball bearings from old printers. Further I put aside some old hard disk drives and CD-drives which could be used and one can even get some electricity from the motor (which acts as the bearing and also acts as a dynamo when it is span at high revolutions).

Your videos give nice ideas and the only question left is the circuit you implemented. I am sure it was published in some thread in this forum. May I trouble you to point me to it? Or you might still have the circuit on your PC, so that you could repost it? (Although it would be off topic.)

Did you ever try to run your Bedini-Motor in a closed loop via an electrolytic capacitor? Two rather small batteries (e.g. 100mAh)  would also be impressive (swapped by help of simple hand activated switches every few minutes)?

I did some tests with pulse motors and the power consumption could be brought down to about 100 Milli-Watts (still spinning well and fast). Therefore the use of big batteries on a Bedini-Motor would suggest a long run time, but one year is very good performance.

Sorry, I know that this was all discussed in some threads some time ago. Please point me to the right threads I would like to read up on it.

Greetings, Conrad
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Post by: Pirate88179 on March 21, 2011, 09:06:01 PM
Conrad:

Interesting thought about the 3904...I can't really say if I ever tried to start a circuit below that voltage, I only measured the battery after it stops working so, we both may be correct here....interesting.  I learn something new every day.

Thank you for your kind words on my videos.  I can't believe it has been 2 years since I built that particular Bedini motor...wow.  I used the schematic and resistor values from this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOGjLDU2lX8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOGjLDU2lX8)

The only thing different is I used the Lidmotor transformer coil which is very simple, but I can point you to one of his videos where he explains how to make it.  I used the same style coil in all of my One Magnet No Bearing Bedini motors, one of which I can run from my earth battery. I also added a second vr.

This guy on the above video does a lot of good explaining as I had no real clue about the Bedini Motor prior to building some of them.  Oh, I only placed the south side of the magnets facing out by mistake, they were suppose to be north facing out but I screwed it up.  I was told it would never work this way but I tried it anyway as it would have been a real pain to remove and reverse them.  They have to on really well due to the forces involved.  At those speeds, you do NOT want a neo flying off.

Funny, I just e-mailed John Bedini and asked him if he, or anyone he knew, ever ran his motors using supercaps only.  I have not heard back from him but I have always wanted to try this.  They could possibly store those high volt spikes in a more efficient manner than a lead/acid bat.

I had made a screen capture back then of that guy's schematic from the video but i can't find out where I put it, but, that is the exact circuit I used.  There are several videos in his series and all are good.  I believe the complete schematic is in the one I posted the link for.

Let me know if you have any more questions, or if I missed something.

I apologize to all for the off-topic posts.

Bill
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Post by: conradelektro on March 21, 2011, 11:02:35 PM
@Bill: I found a circuit posted by jonnydavro in http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7113.0 (Topic: One magnet no bearing Bedini motor), see the attached drawing. It is almost identical to the circuit from the video of  introvertebrate
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOGjLDU2lX8

It looks like the circuit you used for your VCR-head Bedini motor.

I also found the video from Lidmotor about how he wound his Bedini-coil (with transformer action)
 http://www.youtube.com/user/Lidmotor#p/u/336/WkLmRlHKJIY

To wrap this up:

- Did you use this L3 (12V relay coil) as depicted in the attached circuit?

- Your two variable resistors and the resistor at the base of the transistor, are they 10K, 1K and 100R, as in the attached circuit?


These are my last questions, thank you for your patience.

Greetings, Conrad
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Post by: Pirate88179 on March 21, 2011, 11:48:36 PM
Conrad:

No, I never used the relay, that was an advance made by JonnyDavro and I never got that far with it.

On the Bedini with the motorcycle batteries, I used a 470 ohm base resistor and two 5k pots.  On my One magnet (JonnyDavro's replication) device I used a 100 ohm base resistor and a 5k and a 2k pot.  (It was all I had laying around)  My neons on both were, I believe, 80 volts units.  (Possibly 70?  I am not totally sure)

JohnnyDavro's Bedini's are the most efficient I have ever seen and can be run from a single AA battery, or as I did in one of my videos, an Earth Battery.  With the addition of that relay and his other modifications, it gets even better but as I said, I never got that far with it.

If you need anything that I have missed, feel free to pm me and I will try to look it up or find it.

Bill
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Post by: guruji on March 24, 2011, 09:36:55 PM
Hi Pree nice work. How much windings did you do on that toroid?
Thanks
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Post by: pree5 on April 29, 2011, 09:05:37 AM
more efficient  ;)

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Post by: e2matrix on April 29, 2011, 05:59:35 PM
pree5,  thanks for posting this.   I have a couple questions.  What are the leads on the transistor going to - that is you have a gray wire, red wire and yellow wire.  Gray to Emitter, base or collector, Red to ? and yellow to ?  Also what is the winding setup on the toroid?  I assume bifilar but you have a third winding also coming off it for the LED.  Is that just to see if it is working? 
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Post by: friendenergy on April 29, 2011, 08:21:46 PM
Pree would you mind telling me what program you used to make your animated drawing. I think it's cool and would like to make some stuff like that too. thanks if you can.
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Post by: nightlife on April 30, 2011, 04:41:32 AM
Pree, nice illustration.

 You show two different yellow windings but only one lead on both or is it one winding that has a red winding wrapped over it? If it is two different, which ends should be used and what should be done with the other two?
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Post by: pree5 on April 30, 2011, 07:40:08 AM
 8)
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Post by: Groundloop on April 30, 2011, 08:37:15 AM
Why not put in a 3 way double pole switch in there to ease the operation of the
battery changeover?

GL.
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Post by: nightlife on April 30, 2011, 03:08:43 PM
 Thank you Pree.
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Post by: nightlife on April 30, 2011, 03:14:17 PM
 Is there not a switch and or a way to built one that would automatically switch when a certain voltage is reached? Or would that type of switch draw to much to work?
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Post by: Groundloop on April 30, 2011, 05:22:34 PM
Is there not a switch and or a way to built one that would automatically switch when a certain voltage is reached? Or would that type of switch draw to much to work?

@nightlife,

Yes and Yes.

GL.
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Post by: triffid on May 01, 2011, 02:02:28 AM
test
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Post by: pree5 on July 15, 2011, 11:05:07 AM
 :D my 1st self recharge light system ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D 8) 8) 8)
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Post by: pree5 on August 25, 2011, 09:19:31 PM
Any one can you give me Joule Thief Circuits or schematic in Multisim ;)
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Post by: Kev on March 14, 2013, 11:41:53 PM
I know this is an old thread but does this actually work?
 :D
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Post by: turbogt16v on June 07, 2013, 04:20:52 PM
can i use square ferrite core an how many winnings must it have...
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Post by: pree5 on June 08, 2013, 07:05:10 PM
result of experiments 2013

the battery A energy convert to battery B but the important is u convert
the energy if u connect a load then 2%(per hour) energy is less in cycle

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Post by: MenofFather on June 08, 2013, 07:38:56 PM
can i use square ferrite core an how many winnings must it have...
15-30.
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Post by: MenofFather on June 08, 2013, 07:42:22 PM
???it's working?http://i53.tinypic.com/2ewnsdg.gif (http://i53.tinypic.com/2ewnsdg.gif)
I think were is no free energy. But maybe I wrong. Because then charing with pulses. Battery voltage rise very qurkly and this make iliuzion, that it charing very queacly, but chared capasistance of batttery is rising very slowly.
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Post by: pree5 on June 09, 2013, 06:43:20 AM
plz use low flux Ferrite Core or magnetic Core for boosting extra Amp & volt