Author Topic: it's working?!!!!! (Read 63613 times)

pree5 · « **on:** February 13, 2011, 08:10:25 PM »

???it's working?http://i53.tinypic.com/2ewnsdg.gif

mscoffman · « **Reply #1 on:** February 13, 2011, 08:32:12 PM »

Good work pree5;
a) How many wire turns on the coil 24:24? What wire? 28Gauge Hookup wire?
b) What torroid core?
b) What kind of rechargeable battery? - Alkaline?

:S:MarkSCoffman

Poit · « **Reply #2 on:** February 13, 2011, 09:23:56 PM »

please don't consider me a "nah sayer" or the sorts.. but i must ask....... how do you conclude this actually works?? I am not trying to start an argument, just an honest question...

gyulasun · « **Reply #3 on:** February 13, 2011, 10:18:27 PM »

Quote from: Poit on February 13, 2011, 09:23:56 PM

please don't consider me a "nah sayer" or the sorts.. but i must ask....... how do you conclude this actually works?? I am not trying to start an argument, just an honest question...

Hi Poit,

This circuit surely works! BUT if you object this conclusion I guess you object it works as a circuit that gives extra output energy versus the input energy?
If you mean this, then you are right: I do not think either this circuit can give free energy... its advantage to a simple Joule thief may be that uses a second battery that is charged during the operation and you can replace the input battery with this charging battery when the input battery already gets discharged: this process can postpone the total discharge time for both batteries versus the case when you use a single input battery and you use the total output energy for lighting more LEDs.
Can you agree with this? (This is an honest answer from me...

)

rgds, Gyula

infringer · « **Reply #4 on:** February 14, 2011, 01:31:29 AM »

The gif is excellent likely the most understandable circuit diagram I have seen on this form to date due to the animations excellent job there. But yes I would have to agree it will likely reduce the discharge time by no more then half and likely less then half due to losses but this is only a crude guess with no experiment conducted should be simple to replicate and measure the time it stays lit vs a joule thief with a single battery I would assume "WHICH IS A BAD PRACTICE AGAIN" that you would be better off with two separate joule thieves run one then run one immediately after the first one lights no more providing light for a longer period of time if not I would be rather astounded at such a feat.

Surely this deserves further looking into then my ramblings of what I expect will happen saying and doing are two far different animals.

However we do need the information requested by mscoffman in order to carry out such a test to investigate this claim further or we could end up with bad results which could be related to not using the same exact materials.

I suggest you provide a full materials list with specifications needed to replicate such a claim as we all know without replication a FE device has no chance of survival.

dasimpson · « **Reply #5 on:** February 14, 2011, 02:59:25 AM »

i would hate to burst your bubble but this has allready been done
and proven that pulses do not correctly charge a battery

gadgetmall · « **Reply #6 on:** February 14, 2011, 04:02:20 AM »

Quote from: dasimpson on February 14, 2011, 02:59:25 AM

i would hate to burst your bubble but this has allready been done
and proven that pulses do not correctly charge a battery

This looks similar to the first Elight Circuit and posted it somewhere in the Jt thread . but a few components are left out mainly a few caps ,germaniums a special transistor and switch ....never mind i remember getting hammered about the true elight circuit i never released that is not a jt . some one could have disassembled one of the first ones i sold without the switch and special parts.first ones went for 20 bucks and christmas presents . with the above circuit it will charge another battery as there is current associated with that secondary battery circuit especially if you add a few caps to the rectified output and use germanium diodes for little loss . I posted that circuit back in 2008 in pirates thread but never the final revision with the switching and special stuff . . These will run months on the battery before you switch it . also i have one running over two years and it charges it self without switching and its case in lucite . It has reduced brightness and if you wave the light you can see it strobing . thats how slow the oscillations are. My provisional patent ran out last august on E-Light2 and gave the rights a friend in Istanbul so he can do what he likes . The circuit above appear as a standard Jt .if you ask jesus he has a thread called feedback to source and lots of these circuits were tested with good results. I have given up Claiming anything "Ou""Wolf" and just keep it to my self as i almost got into big trouble and do not want to jeopardize My daughter or be threatened ever again.And believe me I Spoke my mind and I was Stupid in doing so . I was Ignorant ,desperate and needing to help the only way i knew how was to get a product out there that could be used for good . What i dumb idea . They dont want anyone to have something like that . You must follow the rules ,dont make waves and spend all your money on gas and batteries:) Thats what makes the world go around .No something you can get FREE energy from . thats a Nono . I conformed . It got the best of me and thank you lord for every day i have left .

gadget Al

resonanceman · « **Reply #7 on:** February 14, 2011, 04:25:35 AM »

Quote from: dasimpson on February 14, 2011, 02:59:25 AM

i would hate to burst your bubble but this has allready been done
and proven that pulses do not correctly charge a battery

Dasimpson

Yes it has been done before.
What do you mean by not correctly charging the battery?
In my opinion this is just a smokescreen used to prevent people from looking deeper.

It is clear to me that the curriculum of our collages have been tweaked to not allow OU.
I think think it is only common sense to see that if everyone with training states that positively something can't ever be done........some kind of politics are at work.
The patent office will accept any idea you have that seems even remotely plausable.......except energy related ideas.....if it is energy related you have to prove it is not breaking any of the rules geared to prevent people from finding OU.....politics again

Charging a battery with pulses is different from charging with current.
The voltage of the battery will raise to a a voltage that would indicate full charge with a conventional charger.........this has been called a ghost charge...... it has been used by skeptics to prove charging with pulses does not work........in truth it is just incomplete charging.

I have some batterys that have not seen a normal charger for a couple years........they work great...

Don't believe everything you read here.
The most unscientific things that go on here involve the skeptics.
They expect you to prove your circuit overcomes every law they can throw at you......all it takes is one doubt.........and you accept their findings.......
Why is it that the experimenter is expected to prove everything but the skeptic only has to spew laws and never prove they are even applicable or true.

The belief that no circuit can create usable energy is the dumbest concept I have ever heard..............but it has been drummed into the heads of millions of very smart people.
These people are the first line of defense for the energy industry's profits.......there are many other lines of defense.

Trust your circuits...... not what others say.......especially the skeptics.

gary

dasimpson · « **Reply #8 on:** February 14, 2011, 03:20:30 PM »

i dont belive what i am told but from what i do my self
i ran an experemt 2 batterys along side each other one charged with a jt the other charged the standerd way
the jt charged one did not hold up compared to the standerd charged one but the advantage of the jt charged one was it was charged from lower input voltages etc so in this way yes it is more effecient
also if left long enogth on charge it did charge to a fully charged state but tulk days instead of hours

dasimpson · « **Reply #9 on:** February 14, 2011, 03:26:25 PM »

i have also tried to power many things from the jt circuit other then leds but havent found any yet but i belive they maybe a chance to with super caps as they discharge other time rather then in a split second
i hope that a jt can take power from a very low voltage current but charge a cap with enogth power to run something larger
my real hope is an earth battery powered jt that then runs a pulse motor turning a generator for more usable power
but i have had problems getting my jt's to use very little power

dasimpson · « **Reply #10 on:** February 14, 2011, 03:29:16 PM »

the statement over unity is well a load of tests that no matter what you do is not proved
i mesure power in amps and volts not watts watts mean nothing amps do when on batterys we dont look how many watts we use we look at how many amos were using watts grid tied amps offgrid

NickZ · « **Reply #11 on:** February 14, 2011, 06:07:07 PM »

Guys:
From what I've seen when charging a second battery from the run battery is that over time both batteries will get discharged, and will need an added bump charge to bring them back the their normal working voltage.
I have been working on this type circuit for a while now, but have not found that it is worth the effort. I hope to be proved wrong, as this is a very important point. It would also prove that the Jtc outputs more than it needs to run. But charging a second battery while using no other load like an led, is not very interesting, or useful. The led is the thief, so if any are used in the circuit for lighting, the Jt may not be able to overcome its draw, and still charge the second battery faster than it's draining the run battery, at least, when more than One led is used.
If a solar panel is used to maintain a steady charge on the run battery this may not be the case, otherwise it is a losing battle, as the run batteries will discharge, and will not be doing anything to charge the second battery. The process can last a while, yes, but not forever.
A Jt circuit that can self-run and self charge and also put out some Usable light, has NOT REALLY been made. Or, If so, Can it be proven?
Guys in black will not come knocking for such insignificant circuits that still use batteries that must be purchased. Or will they? What are we trying to hide, the fact that we have NOT been able get this to work as we would like it to.
Lets get real, or we'll be waisting more time. Time is one thing that we may not have too much left of, before S*** hits the fan.
What have we really gained with the the Joule Thief, Captret or Joule Ringer circuit? As they all still discharge their battery or caps.
Efficient, fun circuits, but no cigar.

pree5 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 20, 2011, 07:20:46 PM »

pree5 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 20, 2011, 07:29:40 PM »

Poit · « **Reply #14 on:** March 20, 2011, 07:34:23 PM »

CAT5 cable for the coil? I do the same thing

So, what tests have you run on this ?

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