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Author Topic: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com  (Read 50369 times)

Offline exnihiloest

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #30 on: February 12, 2011, 11:44:46 AM »
The capacitors are in the range of hundreds pF, typically 600-1200 pF max, but are not very sensitive to temperature/humidity, at least in temperate countries (nevertheless I don't hear about problems when used in tropical regions with 100% humidity, what is frequent during "DXepeditions" of ham operators).
Frequency range is typically 1.8 - 30 Mhz. To tune the system to the lowest frequencies of the range, generally below 5 Mhz, fixed capacitors are automatically switched on and added in parallel to the variable capacitor.
It must be emphasized that these capacitors work only when a load is connected (an antenna), otherwise voltage in resonant LC circuits rapidily exceeds the capacitor breakdown voltage which is rather low.
In the case of very high voltage, vacuum capacitors are much more  preferable but not at the same price!
http://www.surplussales.com/vaccumvarcaps/VVC6.html



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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #31 on: February 12, 2011, 12:02:12 PM »
Made a quick cap and it has quite a good capacitance.

Just one small cup of water and 1 tea spoon baking soda. Biased aluminum electrode positively with power supply untill current dropped to zero. Maximum capacitance I can measure is 48.1uF.

Very easy to adjust by just pulling the electrode in and out. Attached a crappy pic.

Not bad for such a simple setup that can be improved a lot.

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #32 on: February 12, 2011, 04:45:11 PM »
My computer has been off the air 24 hours due to virus .Good to see people discussing this . The way i see it is that this device is so simple , and in theory so promising that I hope someone builds . I know Omnibus is not a believer in Zero point , but we must leave no stone unturned in our quest . Just a couple of thoughts at this time , more later . First frequency . I get the impression that the actual frequency is not critical ,and higher is better . The limiting factor being mechanical constraints . This means that if the capacitor value is in the right ball park ,  the device can be "tuned" simply by varying the speed of the starter motor in small increments . Remember the device needs to be in resonance for a couple of seconds before it will "lock" . The coil and magnet form an alternator . One possibility is to use a cycle dynamo [alternator .]After all it has bearings designed to run at up to 20,000 rpm at a road speed of 20mph .

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #33 on: February 12, 2011, 08:29:33 PM »
For those who have never taken one apart ,here is the description of a bicycle dynamo . In spite of its name , a so-called bike dynamo is actually an alternator . It is driven by friction from the bicycle tyre , resulting in a step up gear ratio pf about 33 to 1 . Inside there is a cylindrical magnet mounted on the shaft .This magnet is magnetised across the diameter . There is a horseshoe shaped core of laminated iron or ferrite on which a coil is wound . The magnet spins between the poles of the horseshoe , which usually has its poles shaped in a semicircular fashion to give a small uniform airgap between core and magnet . Happily for our purpose , the core will add considerably to the inductance of the coil . It would seem that Prof Turtur has experimentally proved the reality of Zero point energy . Does anyone know a cheap easy way to measure the  inductance of this coil? Given a suitable capacitor , all that is needed is a variable speed motor , and ideally a scope to monitor the voltage accross  the cap , to reveal when synchronisation hapens . Then it is just a case of disconnecting the drive .

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #34 on: February 12, 2011, 10:01:11 PM »
The so called "magnet" in an alternator is actually an electromagnet. And secondly the bearings used in an alternator suck the big one because they are magnetic and does cause drag in the charging system if someone were to build some 203 stainless non magnetic versions of the bearings in an alternator they would surely increase fuel economy in a vehicle. I know this may seem hard to believe or swallow but you learn these things when you try to build wind turbines out of your car alternator. Surely find it out yourself the hard way but it is accurate. And it is also cited somewhere that over time the stainless could potentially become magnetic with wear but I've used brand spanking new parts for my builds to find a major flaw in these units. Enjoy -infringer-

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Nice to see the ole fashioned baking soda cap lol good thinking simple and possibly effective.

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #35 on: February 12, 2011, 10:16:53 PM »
@infringer .If you read my post again carefully you will see that I am talking about an alternator from a BICYCLE and not one from a motor vehicle . BICYCLE alternators definitely have a PERMANENT MAGNET , NOT AN ELECTROMAGNET .

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #36 on: February 13, 2011, 12:48:24 AM »
indeed, you did I stand corrected. Damn AC Delco's roflmao

How are the bearings in bicycle motors??? Heavy on the ferrous ???

I am interested I still have only found a producer of a single bearing inside the ac delco alternator but the shaft end bearing which looks like a cap I have not been able to locate sucks the big one with these two things I could potentially have a good wind generator...

Anyhow just sharing things from my tests that may help your build not intended to detour you in any way from your path to FE believe me!

Again enjoy

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #37 on: February 13, 2011, 04:19:57 PM »
@Infringer . No worries ! To be honest I have never really looked at the bearings on a bike alternator . They are designed for relatively short periods of use ,but have to work at 20,00 rpm plus . Should be adequate for a proof of concept job .I am a bit disappointed that there is not more interest in this , as it fairly easy to build and holds so much potential . I am unable to build myself at present due to health issues .

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #38 on: February 13, 2011, 05:57:36 PM »
Made a quick cap and it has quite a good capacitance.

Just one small cup of water and 1 tea spoon baking soda. Biased aluminum electrode positively with power supply untill current dropped to zero. Maximum capacitance I can measure is 48.1uF.

Very easy to adjust by just pulling the electrode in and out. Attached a crappy pic.

Not bad for such a simple setup that can be improved a lot.
You have made a resistor. Not a capacitor. Try to measure the resistance. In a capacitor, the resistance should be infinite, else there will leak current between the two plates.
The electrolyte cannot be conductive. Salt water are conductive.

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #38 on: February 13, 2011, 05:57:36 PM »
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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2011, 06:31:04 PM »
You have made a resistor. Not a capacitor. Try to measure the resistance. In a capacitor, the resistance should be infinite, else there will leak current between the two plates.
The electrolyte cannot be conductive. Salt water are conductive.

Vidar

At least do some research dude. The idea behind applying a positive voltage on the aluminum electrode before use is in order to create an insulating oxide layer. Yes there's leakage like in any other capacitor but that depends on the applied voltage.

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #40 on: February 14, 2011, 10:01:45 AM »
At least do some research dude. The idea behind applying a positive voltage on the aluminum electrode before use is in order to create an insulating oxide layer. Yes there's leakage like in any other capacitor but that depends on the applied voltage.
The capacitor you made are still just a resistor - mainly. A good capacitor can carry a charge for several weeks without dropping voltage. In order to make a good resonant system, the capacitor must not leak. On the other hand, an ideal inductor would be one with zero resistance. A capacitor with great current leak, combined with an inductor with high resistance, will make an oscillator which is hard to maintain the ampitude unless more energy are applied into the system.

I recomend you to use a polypropylene capacitor, and an inductor with low internal resistance which you can vary inductance by approaching a piece of iron.

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #41 on: February 14, 2011, 02:46:13 PM »
Here is a print screen of the source code.
LightRider

ps.: it remains the math... to see if the resonant frequency of 100Hz is good.

Hi Lightrider

thanks for this post

I read the entire paper from C.Turtur very interesting stuff and i made my mind on a preplication

So i am estonished because the coil should be very thin (0.01 meter =1 cm thickness ) and if the copper wire is 0.001 meter =1 mm diameter (and not square mm) i can only wind 10 turns per layer , that is to say for 1600 turns we need 160 layers.
So if the center body of the coil is 9 cm diameter, the outer diameter of the coil would be   9 cm + 16 cm + 16 cm = 41 cm diameter ?
So it is a very large and flat coil .
Or could it be a mistake in the code script ? Or do i miss something ?

what do you think?

good luck at all

laurent

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #42 on: February 14, 2011, 03:02:13 PM »
So far the part list to build is:

1 motor 6krpm (or high speed drill)
1 diametric ring magnet in center of coil attached to drill.
16 Awg wire
Variable Capacitor to tweak the sweet spot
Resistive load

Am I leaving any parts out?


Hi DTB

In the paper of C.Turtur it is not clear if the disc magnet is diametricaly magnetised or normal (a north and a south face)
I agree with you it should be diametric but are you sure of that ?
And do you know what quality of magnet it is . In the code it is written 0.7 tesla for a diameter of 7.8 cm and a 1 cm thickness , so is it neodym or other material ?

Thanks

Laurent

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #43 on: February 14, 2011, 03:11:50 PM »
I don't think that the magnetic material is specified . Neither is the orientation of the poles except in one of the diagrams where the words North and South [in German] are written on the magnet therfore I think it is magnetised diametrically . Given the strength of the magnet in Teslas , there are people here who can tell us if this is possible only with Neodymium , or if other materials will do the job . On the Peswiki page , an email address is given for prof Turtur , but I could not make it work , to invite him here . Could someone else try to email him ? Anyone got opinions on the coil dimensions?

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« Reply #44 on: February 14, 2011, 07:30:24 PM »
Here are my latest thoughts on this . First of all the magnet material . If we look back on Lightriders post on the source code , we see a line that reads something like "rhom=7.8E3 density of magnetic material iron . It is very unlikely that one would use pure iron for a permanent magnet , so I assume it is probably an iron alloy such as ALNI or ALNICO . A source for this would be a cycle dynamo magnet , turned down in a lathe to the specified diameter .
       Another practical problem may be that the magnet shaft needs to actually penetrate the coil windings which is not very practical . An alternative would be to mount the whole magnet , shaft and bearing assembly within the coil former , and use a rubber wheel as a friction drive to the magnet . Ideally the shaft and bearings ought to be non ferrous ,and ultimately non conductive of eddy currents . I do not know how important these last two are .
       The more I think about it , the more I am reminded of the Bedini Windows Motor . I never was a Bedini fan , but it makes you think ... I seem to remember that the window motor had a shaft that penetrated the windings . I am still thinking about that coil shape , as the coil in the diagrams of Prof Turtur is a solenoid shape .

 

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