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Author Topic: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com  (Read 48514 times)

Offline Feb2006

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #60 on: February 16, 2011, 12:02:08 PM »
I think the "ls" parameter is meant to be the length where magnetic field cuts cylindrical coil.
The thickness of magnet.

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #60 on: February 16, 2011, 12:02:08 PM »

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #61 on: February 16, 2011, 03:50:20 PM »
The whole setup is quite critical but with the default parameter set, Turtur gave us a 'realistic' model. Wire diameter is the one that should be chosen a realistic value.
You can obtain much more output, as you showed, but then you need superconducting wire.
Some parameter combinations will not give you any output, as you showed with some of your settings. It's all about finetuning into realistic values here.

@neptune,
You can use the program and the parameter file to change the magnet dimensions and see whether you can find your desired outcome. It's pretty simple, you don't need to be a computer wizzerd.



@ teslaalset,

"I don't know about the 'realistic' model..."

di => {di:=spool diameter, m} (this is NOT the wire diameter {Dd:=wire diameter, m} OR wire conductivity of cupper)

When we put:

(di) = 0.70m => 88825909 Kw
(di) = 0.71m => 0.01 Kw

This meen, when the coil diameter = 0.7 m (27.559") we have an output of 88000000 Kw AND with the coil ONLY 0.01m (0.394") bigger we get 0.01 Kw ... this make no sense to me.

"...finetuning into realistic values here..." a coil of 0.7m is big, agree, BUT IT'S NOT a un-realistic values. (like 5m and more would probably be)

And what about "superconducting wire" ? It's not about superconducting parameter but about the size (diameter) of the coil only.... this don't influence, from what i understand, any "superconducting" behavior...



I'm not sure to understand you, you're probably good in superconductivity field, not me ... could you explain how superconductivity is at stake in this program ... thanks.



LightRider


PS.: you can get any type of result, if a program is poorly designed or if the approximation done in the progam is unknown to the users... you can finetune as much as you want...  but first you have to know the program limite"

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #62 on: February 16, 2011, 03:58:21 PM »


@ teslaalset,

"I don't know about the 'realistic' model..."

di => {di:=spool diameter, m} (this is NOT the wire diameter {Dd:=wire diameter, m} OR wire conductivity of cupper)

When we put:

(di) = 0.70m => 88825909 Kw
(di) = 0.71m => 0.01 Kw

This meen, when the coil diameter = 0.7 m (27.559") we have an output of 88000000 Kw AND with the coil ONLY 0.01m (0.394") bigger we get 0.01 Kw ... this make no sense to me.

"...finetuning into realistic values here..." a coil of 0.7m is big, agree, BUT IT'S NOT a un-realistic values. (like 5m and more would probably be)

And what about "superconducting wire" ? It's not about superconducting parameter but about the size (diameter) of the coil only.... this don't influence, from what i understand, any "superconducting" behavior...



I'm not sure to understand you, you're probably good in superconductivity field, not me ... could you explain how superconductivity is at stake in this program ... thanks.



LightRider

@LightRider,

My main issue with 'realistic models' is that copper wire does have a certain ohmic resistance.
If you apply too many KW in a device, the copper wire will be destroyed because part of the many KW will be used to heat up the copper wire.
I mentioned super conductive wires because when you cool down an aluminum wire below 1.2 degrees Kelvin, the wire becomes super conductive and loose all of its ohmic resistance (resistance is ZERO!).

Besides, I don't think that the applied magnet (with a diameter of 3.9 cm) in combination with a coil of 0.7 meters will generate 88825909 KW, simply because the magnetic fields that cross the coil winding will in that case be too weak.

So, the model looks nice but I doubt whether you can use it with all kind of desired dimensions.

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #62 on: February 16, 2011, 03:58:21 PM »
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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #63 on: February 16, 2011, 04:44:21 PM »
Here's the field strength profile of a 4cm N52 NdFeB type magnet in air.
You can see that around approximately 3 times the diameter the field strength is almost completely gone.

(the purple circle is the actual magnet)

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #64 on: February 16, 2011, 06:46:43 PM »
Here's the field strength profile of a 4cm N52 NdFeB type magnet in air.
You can see that around approximately 3 times the diameter the field strength is almost completely gone.

(the purple circle is the actual magnet)

Thanks teslaalset, understand better what you meant.
LightRider

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #64 on: February 16, 2011, 06:46:43 PM »
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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #65 on: February 16, 2011, 09:40:29 PM »
Still waiting for info from the Prof , who is a busy man .I have been doing some research on the feasibility of the rotating magnet . A quick look on Ebay shows few disc shaped neo magnets of suitable size  .A nd if price is proportional to volume , a suitable size would probably cost £100 .Smaller disc magnets that are available lack the central hole and are generally not diametrically magnetised . Drilling a hole with conventional machine tools is next to impossible . The material is brittle , and can burn fiercely giving off toxic fumes . If the material MUST be neo , we are looking at custom made magnets with high cost , long waits , and possibly minimum quantities .
          What are the alternatives . I do not know if other magnetic materials have the necessary field strength . Ceramic magnets might do , but are not readily available .Weaker still and expensive is silver steel .
           Question . Is  it possible to de-magnetise/remagnetise a ceramic magnet ,as found in the magnetron of a microwave oven?
           One other possibility . curved neo magnets are/were available for making a wind generater from a ACmotor . You could bolt 2 of these on a steel core .

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #66 on: February 17, 2011, 12:30:42 AM »
Still waiting for info from the Prof , who is a busy man .I have been doing some research on the feasibility of the rotating magnet . A quick look on Ebay shows few disc shaped neo magnets of suitable size  .A nd if price is proportional to volume , a suitable size would probably cost £100 .Smaller disc magnets that are available lack the central hole and are generally not diametrically magnetised . Drilling a hole with conventional machine tools is next to impossible . The material is brittle , and can burn fiercely giving off toxic fumes . If the material MUST be neo , we are looking at custom made magnets with high cost , long waits , and possibly minimum quantities .
          What are the alternatives . I do not know if other magnetic materials have the necessary field strength . Ceramic magnets might do , but are not readily available .Weaker still and expensive is silver steel .
           Question . Is  it possible to de-magnetise/remagnetise a ceramic magnet ,as found in the magnetron of a microwave oven?
           One other possibility . curved neo magnets are/were available for making a wind generater from a ACmotor . You could bolt 2 of these on a steel core .


Hi neptune,

Magnetization diametrically/Axially is more an options than a "custom" magnet...

A custom magnet "the shape" is high cost because they need to compact the powder into the shape you want and for that they need to make mold (matrix)... mold = $$$... but the direction of magnetization is a very simple thing for manufacturers to change.

LightRider

( http://www.kjmagnetics.com/magdir.asp )

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #67 on: February 17, 2011, 12:47:07 AM »
Hi Neptune

As i have a diametricaly neomag but very small diameter , 1.5 cm diameter per 1.5 cm length  and probably around 1.3 Tesla .
I made the calculation on a possible coil with 0.3 mm diameter wire ( that i have in my workshop )

I wounded a coil with 800 turns and see the pix , i wonder if prof Turtur could give an advice for the continous of this experiment, because the soft gives about 77 watt output , but as LIGHTRIDER noticed the soft gives very different results per very tiny differences in the datas.

hope this helps

laurent

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #68 on: February 17, 2011, 01:24:28 AM »
Hi All,

I've converted Prof TurTur code from Pascal over to Octave. I'm having one issue with the code. I've run through it dozen's of times but I'm not getting the same values back on the simulation part with the same values that the professor used. I do remember when I programmed in Delphi/Pascal for database applications I had issues with formulas having to be re-arranged when converting to C/C++. That may be it but I would like a new set of eyes to look through the code maybe I missed something obvious.

This is a straight copy of his code. I see a lot of places that could use optimization and structure but refrained just to get the original values working first. With a better structure for the sim we should be able to plot a 3D graph of say x=magnet size vs y=coil size z=watt output instead of manually running the sim for each value change.

Software I'm using for those who want to play with the code:

Open Source Octave (Matlab like clone)
http://www.gnu.org/software/octave/

GUI Octave for IDE front end under windows
https://sites.google.com/site/guioctave/

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #70 on: February 17, 2011, 11:45:30 AM »
As so often happens ,a simple device turns out not to be so simple after all . I read on another forum[ I cant remember where] that someone else reported similar problems with this computer programme in that small changes in parameters cause illogical large changes in results . The prof promised to look at this , but it may be a month before he has time . I feel that it is the software that is at fault , not the underlying theory of the machine . I feel that it would be difficult to reach a successful build without the software . There may be others who can sort this . If not , we have waited thousands of years for this , what is another month?

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #71 on: February 17, 2011, 07:03:04 PM »
@Woopy . As I said , direct help and advice from the prof is unlikely in the immediate future . One factor which will influence how easy success will be is this .Is the magnet speed of 6000 RPM critical , or can the system be tuned at a different frequency . We can answer this question by looking at the computer program . The big question is , is RPM one of the parameters that can be changed in the program? If it is , the task becomes easier . We can adjust RPM to suit whatever is the resonant frequency of the tuned circuit . On reflection I have realised also that having the shaft inside a tube that passes between the windings is unlikely to influence results , because these shaft tubes are not in the part of the winding near the poles , where the action occurs . I feel that it is important to build a self runner before worrying about adding a load . Any info I get from the Prof will be passed on immediately .

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #72 on: February 17, 2011, 11:19:11 PM »
@Woopy . As I said , direct help and advice from the prof is unlikely in the immediate future . One factor which will influence how easy success will be is this .Is the magnet speed of 6000 RPM critical , or can the system be tuned at a different frequency . We can answer this question by looking at the computer program . The big question is , is RPM one of the parameters that can be changed in the program? If it is , the task becomes easier . We can adjust RPM to suit whatever is the resonant frequency of the tuned circuit . On reflection I have realised also that having the shaft inside a tube that passes between the windings is unlikely to influence results , because these shaft tubes are not in the part of the winding near the poles , where the action occurs . I feel that it is important to build a self runner before worrying about adding a load . Any info I get from the Prof will be passed on immediately .

Hi Neptune

yes you can modify the RPM  of the magnet "at will " in the program.
So i did for my coil simulation to get 77 watt output. I spin the magnet at 3000 rpm and it goes (see pix in red )

But i can not go further so long i don't know if the magnet is diametricaly magnetised or not.  So i hope that Prof Turtur will answer on this point.

and good luck at all

Laurent

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #73 on: February 18, 2011, 12:08:01 AM »
Hi All,

I've converted Prof TurTur code from Pascal over to Octave. I'm having one issue with the code. I've run through it dozen's of times but I'm not getting the same values back on the simulation part with the same values that the professor used. I do remember when I programmed in Delphi/Pascal for database applications I had issues with formulas having to be re-arranged when converting to C/C++. That may be it but I would like a new set of eyes to look through the code maybe I missed something obvious.

This is a straight copy of his code. I see a lot of places that could use optimization and structure but refrained just to get the original values working first. With a better structure for the sim we should be able to plot a 3D graph of say x=magnet size vs y=coil size z=watt output instead of manually running the sim for each value change.

Software I'm using for those who want to play with the code:

Open Source Octave (Matlab like clone)
http://www.gnu.org/software/octave/

GUI Octave for IDE front end under windows
https://sites.google.com/site/guioctave/
Hi,
i created a c++ version of his algorithm and mailed Prof. Turtur with some questions i had.
It also has a matlab exporter, if the syntax is the same for Octave it would probably help you. Write me a PM if you want the source code.

here is a picture, the german headlines are english in the current version.

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #74 on: February 18, 2011, 01:01:51 AM »
It seems that one of Dr. Stiffler's systems is in prototype production - http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/3934-high-voltage-thin-air-69.html

 

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