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Author Topic: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com  (Read 50388 times)

Offline DreamThinkBuild

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #45 on: February 14, 2011, 10:51:02 PM »
Hi Laurent,

It looks to be diametric from his drawings. In Fig13 he shows the field lines as going through the magnet and perpendicular to the axis of rotation. In Fig28 he shows both Nord(North), Sud(South) on edges of magnet.

I'm not sure what the magnet material is. .7Tesla = 7000 Gauss. A 3" diametric ring magnet is hard to find, so we might have to play with the values for a smaller magnet.

I don't think my e-mail went through but I tried to contact Prof Turtur (c-w.turtur@ostfalia.de)(<- Is this correct?) to see if it was possible to calculate a new setup with a commercially available magnet. Here is a 1" ~7000 Gauss diametric magnet: http://www.kjmagnetics.com/proddetail.asp?prod=RX024DIA

I think Neptune's idea of using a small rubber wheel to spin the magnet would be great. All you need are small indents inside the coils tube to hold the shaft for the magnet. The magnet is 3.07"(7.8cm) in diameter so it sticks above 0.2"(1/2cm) the coil which is 2.67"(6.8cm) high.

The hardest part is getting the magnet to spin freely in the middle of the coil. It sounds simple but the winds would have to be pulled around the shaft but far enough that they don't cause friction, get pulled in or distort the inductance. Anybody have other ideas on designing the coil?

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #45 on: February 14, 2011, 10:51:02 PM »

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #46 on: February 15, 2011, 12:43:30 AM »
Hi all,

is this not on the same lines as -

http://www.youtube.com/user/64298#p/u/0/8_iyr_ng1Us

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #47 on: February 15, 2011, 01:11:31 AM »
Hi Lightrider

thanks for this post

I read the entire paper from C.Turtur very interesting stuff and i made my mind on a preplication

So i am estonished because the coil should be very thin (0.01 meter =1 cm thickness ) and if the copper wire is 0.001 meter =1 mm diameter (and not square mm) i can only wind 10 turns per layer , that is to say for 1600 turns we need 160 layers.
So if the center body of the coil is 9 cm diameter, the outer diameter of the coil would be   9 cm + 16 cm + 16 cm = 41 cm diameter ?
So it is a very large and flat coil .
Or could it be a mistake in the code script ? Or do i miss something ?

what do you think?

good luck at all

laurent

Hi Laurent,

First, the paper say "...copper wire from which the coil is made has a cross section area of 1.0 mm^2..." (square mm) THIS is in the text.
But in the code source say "0.0010 m"

(...Anyway in one case it give 1.0mm Dia. and the other give 1.13mm Dia.)

160 layers seem to be a good calculation.
41 cm seem to be good too... (magnet is 0.078mm Dia. so the coil can't be much smaller that 0.09mm)

"So it is a very large and flat coil" => agree

It seem to be the difference between a "Simulated reality" and "The reality".
It is unclear whether this physical configuration has a major impact on a real experience.

Thanks for taking the time to raise this information, which doesn't jump to the eye at first glance.

LightRider

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #48 on: February 15, 2011, 01:40:44 AM »

Hi DTB

In the paper of C.Turtur it is not clear if the disc magnet is diametricaly magnetised or normal (a north and a south face)
I agree with you it should be diametric but are you sure of that ?
And do you know what quality of magnet it is . In the code it is written 0.7 tesla for a diameter of 7.8 cm and a 1 cm thickness , so is it neodym or other material ?

Thanks

Laurent


Magnetic properties: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rare-earth_magnet

Nd2Fe14B (sintered)    1.0–1.4 Br (T)
Nd2Fe14B (bonded)    0.6–0.7 Br (T)
SmCo5 (sintered)    0.8–1.1 Br (T)
Sm(Co,Fe,Cu,Zr)7 (sintered)    0.9–1.15  Br (T)
Alnico (sintered)    0.6–1.4 Br (T)   
Sr-ferrite (sintered)    0.2–0.4 Br (T)

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #49 on: February 15, 2011, 11:38:51 AM »
@DreamThinkBuild . I think you missed my shaft/bearing idea .Imagine a short shaft that only protrudes 1cm each side of the magnet . Bearings are fitted to the shaft ends , and are supported by vertical members going down to a base board .The coil is then fitted over the above assembly and supported to the correct height on spacers to the baseboard. thus the total shaft length of the shaft is shorter than the inside diameter of the hole in the center of the coil . That was the idea of the rubber wheel , as access to the shaft ends would now not be possible . Great idea to get the Prof to re design it around a commercial magnet , even if this gives a reduced performance .

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #50 on: February 15, 2011, 11:50:59 AM »
LATEST NEWS . Recieved an email from the Professor himself . He has agreed to answer some questions . Got to work now ,more later.

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #51 on: February 15, 2011, 03:47:28 PM »
The professor is a very busy man , working 100 plus hours a week in medicine . He has no time to join us here . He asked me for a phone number so he could me and answer questions . I am not the ideal man for the job due to my limited mathematics . Could we elect a spokesperson such as Woopy , Lightrider ,Low-Q or anyone who is mathematically fluent . Send him an email with your phone number . c-w.turtur@ostfalia.de   but we need to agree a list of questions . Here are mine .
1 What is shape of coil , pancake?
2can it be redisigned with a commercial magnet {we need to agree a particular magnet]
3 Can it be designed to run at any frequency [is higher freq better?]
4 Material of magnet.
5 Can it be started by adjusting the magnet speed rather than the tuned circuit?
6 Will varying the resistance of the load cause detuning and stop the machine .
Feel free
 to add questions .
I thought an Algorithm was a drunken dance!

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #52 on: February 15, 2011, 04:09:07 PM »
All,

Prof. Turtur sent me usefull information on his work.
One of this is the Windows executable program of his simulation as posted in the article's appendix.

The program uses an additional parameter file where you can alter the parameters and then run the program again. Put both files in the same directory and it should just run fine.
The output is send to a text file that you can import to Excel.

Both files are attached. Double click the .exe file and a dos window opens with some output info.
I zipped both files because .exe and .dat files are not allowed to be uploaded here, so first unzip both files first before you use them.

B.t.w. I found a small glitch in his article.
The article discusses a motor with the dimensions of 9 x 6.8 cm and output of 1.07 KW.
However, in his simulation data he uses a coil of 9 x 1 cm.
Applying 6.8 cm coil hight in the parameter file results in 27.7 KW something.
So, a bit of parameter tuning is required to get more realistic values. The attached files can help doing that.
« Last Edit: February 15, 2011, 05:07:40 PM by teslaalset »

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #53 on: February 15, 2011, 07:12:35 PM »
All,

Prof. Turtur sent me usefull information on his work.
One of this is the Windows executable program of his simulation as posted in the article's appendix.

The program uses an additional parameter file where you can alter the parameters and then run the program again. Put both files in the same directory and it should just run fine.
The output is send to a text file that you can import to Excel.

Both files are attached. Double click the .exe file and a dos window opens with some output info.
I zipped both files because .exe and .dat files are not allowed to be uploaded here, so first unzip both files first before you use them.

B.t.w. I found a small glitch in his article.
The article discusses a motor with the dimensions of 9 x 6.8 cm and output of 1.07 KW.
However, in his simulation data he uses a coil of 9 x 1 cm.
Applying 6.8 cm coil hight in the parameter file results in 27.7 KW something.

So, a bit of parameter tuning is required to get more realistic values. The attached files can help doing that.

Hi teslaalset,
Thanks for the files.

The paper say (in the last conception) "...This magnet has to rotate inside a coil with "n" windings. All windings can be located at the same position in good approximation. Other then in section 5, this is a good approximation here, because the magnet interacts with the coil not by translation but by rotation..."

Maybe this wasn't a good approximation ?

Let's try this program ! ;)

LightRider

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #54 on: February 15, 2011, 07:24:11 PM »
Here is the english "google" translation (parameter only... just copy/past... save)

1600     {n:=number of turns of the coil}
0.09     {di:=spool diameter, m}
0.0010   {Dd:=wire diameter, m}
0.700    {Bo:=magnetic field (amplitude) of the permanent magnet, Tesla}
0.01     {ls:=length of the cylindrical coil body, meters}
0.23E-6   {C:=capacitance of the capacitor, farad}
0.039    {rm:=radius of the cylindrical permanent magnets, meters}
0.01     {dm:=thickness of the cylindrical permanent magnets, meters}
7.8E3    {rhom:=density of the magnetic material, iron, Kohlrausch vol.3 kg/m^3}
1.7E-8   {rho:=Spec Resistance of copper,  Ohm*m}
100      {UmAn:=Start value: revolutions per second at the start of the rotor}
28       {Rlast:=static load resistance, Ohm}
0.0001   {dt:=size of time steps, sec}
1        {Abstd:=What number = Everyone points to be plotted}

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #55 on: February 15, 2011, 07:42:10 PM »
B.t.w. I found a small glitch in his article.
The article discusses a motor with the dimensions of 9 x 6.8 cm and output of 1.07 KW.
However, in his simulation data he uses a coil of 9 x 1 cm.
Applying 6.8 cm coil hight in the parameter file results in 27.7 KW something.
So, a bit of parameter tuning is required to get more realistic values. The attached files can help doing that.

@ teslaalset :

It seem more (ls) is high the more Watt (limit of the simulation?)
(is) = 0.10m => 237 Kw
(is) = 0.90m => 46387 Kw

Worst with :
(di) = 0.70m => 88825909 Kw
(di) = 0.71m => 0.01 Kw
(di) = 0.80m => 47770 Kw
(di) = 0.81m => 0.007 Kw

... what do you think ?

LightRider




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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #56 on: February 15, 2011, 09:40:30 PM »
@Lightrider . You are obviously very computer literate . Could you use this computer program to forecast if the machine would work with a different magnet diameter , preferably one of commercially available size .O r even make a table as in your last post showing a range of commercial sizes and the resultant out put? This would be a great further step towards a practical design .

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #57 on: February 15, 2011, 09:51:33 PM »
@ teslaalset :

It seem more (ls) is high the more Watt (limit of the simulation?)
(is) = 0.10m => 237 Kw
(is) = 0.90m => 46387 Kw

Worst with :
(di) = 0.70m => 88825909 Kw
(di) = 0.71m => 0.01 Kw
(di) = 0.80m => 47770 Kw
(di) = 0.81m => 0.007 Kw

... what do you think ?

LightRider

The whole setup is quite critical but with the default parameter set, Turtur gave us a 'realistic' model. Wire diameter is the one that should be chosen a realistic value.
You can obtain much more output, as you showed, but then you need superconducting wire.
Some parameter combinations will not give you any output, as you showed with some of your settings. It's all about finetuning into realistic values here.

@neptune,
You can use the program and the parameter file to change the magnet dimensions and see whether you can find your desired outcome. It's pretty simple, you don't need to be a computer wizzerd.

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #58 on: February 15, 2011, 11:04:53 PM »
Wow !!

good thread indeed

Thanks very much Teslaalset Fantastic easy program  i will certainly spend some time on it.

@ Neptune

For the question to Prof Turtur  for me now is only 1, is it a diametricaly magnetisation and material of the magnet. For the rest all is in the program so far.

Neptune you only have to download the 2 files that Teslaalset gave above. Than you unzip the 2 files in 1 directory For instance your Document under a file named TURTUR. Than in the TURTUR file, you have to open the file "parameter" (open it with a WINDOW NOTEPAD* program, so you can modify all the datas as you will, than, when you are finished with your modifications, you simply clic on " register " in the "file menu. And than you click on the icon of the program in the TURTUR file and you get the result on the bottom line of the DOS presentation. No need to be a freak really easy Thank's Prof Turtur.

So you can test all dimension of coil , magnet diameter and thickness,wire diameter coil diameter etc  really simple. It is in german language but thanks to Lightrider the english translation is just some post above.


For instance i changed the wire diameter at 0.3 mm and it gives only 8.6 watt against 1047 watt for a 1mm diameter wire, just for fun

hope this helps

good luck at all :)

Laurent

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Re: 1 kW zero point energy @ Peswiki.com
« Reply #59 on: February 16, 2011, 11:43:24 AM »
Thanks to all for computer help and advice .@Woopy . I have emailed prof Turtur with some questions and am awaiting a reply . Among these questions is magnetic material and pole orientation , so hopefully we will soon know . If this thing works , and I am pretty well convinced by his earlier experiments , the main problems I foresee are these . I believe that it will be relatively easy to make a self runner with no load . An executive toy , if you like . The real problems will start when you add a load . If the load is a simple resistor , it will change resistance as it heats up ,enough to upset the parameters of the device , and break synchronisation . The probable solution would be some form of microcontroller to monitor things and make adjustments as needed . It is even possible that a working model with a varying load will need a small variable speed DC motor on the shaft to accelerate or decelerate the magnet as needed.But all this technology is proven and relatively cheap .

 

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