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Author Topic: Is there proof gravity can not be a energy source?  (Read 45184 times)

Offline brian334

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Re: Is there proof gravity can not be a energy source?
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2011, 11:41:16 PM »
I will give it a day or two to see if anybody can prove gravity can not be a energy source. Free speech is a good thing- gold shines and shi t stinks.

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Re: Is there proof gravity can not be a energy source?
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2011, 11:47:41 PM »
You may keep it as long as you wish but the truth won't change. All the free speech in the world, obeying reason and scientific argument, will tell you that the very essence of force, as it is defined, is not energy and therefore needs no proof it's different.

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Re: Is there proof gravity can not be a energy source?
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2011, 12:00:15 AM »
@all,

This has to do with the physics of metric fields. A gravitational metric field is
how the universe computes how much gravitation potential energy an object
has and it has the responsibility to covert gravitational potential energy into
(dynamic) energy. These are two different things. The universe uses quaternion
math calculations for doing this. The question is for any complex situation
is; “Can the quaterians be computationally overloaded?” causing the real root
solution of the equation to not match up with the COE conservation-of-energy
solution. If so the universe might “select wrong” when asked to compute complex
situations and it may even be possible to have all solutions to the quaterians be
in violation with COE. This should be study-able mathematically. This overloading
would be expected to occur during cross product operation between two different
classes of metric fields like magnetic and gravitational.

I expect that COE was accepted using only simple classes of experiments as models
and that perhaps more complex situations (like double acting pendulums) should
have been studied. Also there are not many classes of metric fields to study and
they may not have had magnetic systems with sufficiently high magnetic energy
for doing valid experiments using cross field experiments. Behavior of magnets
was apparently used as suggestion for some of Newton questions about gravity.
So I don’t think this is an irrelevant subject and may still be an open question.

“I think this points out the we should study the universe in askance through
scientific experiments rather then having humans attempt to dictate the
creator’s design decisions.”

One could see a potential energy to dynamical energy converter screwing up
because the potential energy metric field is the only way the universe knows
how much p. energy is left. There would be no cross checks to stop energy
errors from continuing to occur if one did.

:S:MrkSCoffman

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Re: Is there proof gravity can not be a energy source?
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2011, 12:00:15 AM »
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Offline brian334

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Re: Is there proof gravity can not be a energy source?
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2011, 12:02:03 AM »
Some people post things here that do not make any sense.

Offline Omnibus

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Re: Is there proof gravity can not be a energy source?
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2011, 12:06:30 AM »
I have already shown in several instances that violation of CoE is inherent in the standard theoretical physics but has been missed. No need for quaternions and other complex constructs. This has nothing to do, however, with the question at hand which is well understood and needs no further discussion.

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Re: Is there proof gravity can not be a energy source?
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Offline brian334

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Re: Is there proof gravity can not be a energy source?
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2011, 12:07:11 AM »
I asked a simple question, is there proof gravity can not be a energy source?

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Re: Is there proof gravity can not be a energy source?
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2011, 12:12:08 AM »
I asked a simple question, is there proof gravity can not be a energy source?

You asked a simple question and got the answer you were looking for. What else do you need?

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Offline brian334

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Re: Is there proof gravity can not be a energy source?
« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2011, 12:28:37 AM »
Mostly I would like to discuss the issues,
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Re: Is there proof gravity can not be a energy source?
« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2011, 12:33:31 AM »
Mostly I would like to discuss the issues, but I have to point out, some people that post here are assholes.

What issues? That force is not energy? This is not an issue that needs to be discussed. You were told that and if you continue insisting you are one of those fitting your last characterization.

If you have other issues you feel need discussion just spell them out.

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Re: Is there proof gravity can not be a energy source?
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Offline brian334

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Re: Is there proof gravity can not be a energy source?
« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2011, 12:46:55 AM »
Can you prove what you say? Can you prove gravity does not make things move? And if gravity makes things move it is a source of energy.

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Re: Is there proof gravity can not be a energy source?
« Reply #25 on: February 08, 2011, 12:55:04 AM »
Can you prove what you say? Can you prove gravity does not make things move? And if gravity makes things move it is a source of energy.

I've proved it already -- put an apple on your kitchen table and let it stay there. Gravity acts on it and yet it doesn't move, correct? Energy only appears when there's also displacement under the action of gravity. So, to have energy you have to have two things -- displacement and force (gravity). Only gravity isn't enough to have energy. Gravity is not energy and therefore cannot be a source of energy.

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Re: Is there proof gravity can not be a energy source?
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Offline maw2432

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Re: Is there proof gravity can not be a energy source?
« Reply #26 on: February 08, 2011, 01:06:44 AM »
The enormous energy of Niagara Falls has long been recognized as a great source of hydroelectric power.    Gravity can be leveraged and used to create electrical power realizing the stored potential energy of water behind a dam.   So to answer the question, there is proof that gravity is being used as an energy source.   The rest of the discussion is just a matter of semantics.   The actual real source of the energy comes from our sun and the water cycle.   

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Re: Is there proof gravity can not be a energy source?
« Reply #27 on: February 08, 2011, 01:14:22 AM »
The enormous energy of Niagara Falls has long been recognized as a great source of hydroelectric power.    Gravity can be leveraged and used to create electrical power realizing the stored potential energy of water behind a dam.   So to answer the question, there is proof that gravity is being used as an energy source.   The rest of the discussion is just a matter of semantics. 

Bill

Do you not recognize in your Niagara falls example the two elements -- force (gravity) and displacement -- I pointed out to you, which characterize energy? Gravity acting on still water, even if that water stands still at a height thus having potential energy, does no work. For gravity to do work conditions must be ensured for the second element -- displacement -- to come into play. Gravity itself isn't enough to produce energy. Gravity isn't energy. This isn't semantics but is the essence of this problem.

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Re: Is there proof gravity can not be a energy source?
« Reply #28 on: February 08, 2011, 02:37:54 AM »
For MSCOFFMAN

i have been a daily visitor of this forum for several years and this is
my 1st time to reply to any topic. I really like the way that you explained that it might take at least 2 different totally separate systems in conjunction to make a gravity engine self sustaining.

Since everything starts as an idea 1st, I am still wondering ,why out of all the ideas that are discussed daily, there has never been one reference to a practical idea that I have had for some time now.

With most ideas that I have seen there is always some problem to
overcome having to do with friction,levers,ramps,shifting weights,and etc.

My idea has to do with continuous gravitational fuel with a small amount of energy needed to return the fuel to its starting point.

My reason for replying to you is that I think you are the most fair minded on the forum.I think now is the time to put this idea into a real world project.If interested, please email me cdglobalprojects@gmail.com

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Re: Is there proof gravity can not be a energy source?
« Reply #29 on: February 08, 2011, 02:51:48 AM »
For MSCOFFMAN

i have been a daily visitor of this forum for several years and this is
my 1st time to reply to any topic. I really like the way that you explained that it might take at least 2 different totally separate systems in conjunction to make a gravity engine self sustaining.

Since everything starts as an idea 1st, I am still wondering ,why out of all the ideas that are discussed daily, there has never been one reference to a practical idea that I have had for some time now.

With most ideas that I have seen there is always some problem to
overcome having to do with friction,levers,ramps,shifting weights,and etc.

My idea has to do with continuous gravitational fuel with a small amount of energy needed to return the fuel to its starting point.

My reason for replying to you is that I think you are the most fair minded on the forum.I think now is the time to put this idea into a real world project.If interested, please email me cdglobalprojects@gmail.com

What gravitational fuel? It was explained that gravity is not energy and therefore cannot constitute fuel to be spent as energy supply. That is nonsense and should be nipped in the bud from your first posting.

 

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