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Author Topic: FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7  (Read 59166 times)

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Re: FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7
« Reply #90 on: February 10, 2011, 11:30:49 AM »
I am still on the simulation - it's cheaper LOL. Anyways, I spent some time with FEMM last night, and ran an extended simulation. The initial setup in this thread, show still COP >> 1. There are in short, much less energy spent to release and close the iron bars, than the energy gained by the magnet movement. I ended up with COP 3-4.

I have access to laminated steel bars, and magnets, so I must try to make a very simple test when I get home from work...
I am not a very skilled person with mechanics, so don't hold your breath ;D

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Re: FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7
« Reply #90 on: February 10, 2011, 11:30:49 AM »

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Re: FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7
« Reply #91 on: February 10, 2011, 11:40:11 AM »
He's already under psychiatric "surveylance". Poor man actually suffers from a "Dunning-Kruger" effect..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

Omnibus is probably a synonym for an "extremely incompetent gibberish", which also happens to be one of his favorite phrases lately...

Well done !



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Re: FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7
« Reply #92 on: February 10, 2011, 12:03:39 PM »
Is this thread about Omnibus? No, it is about a FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7 ::)

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Re: FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7
« Reply #92 on: February 10, 2011, 12:03:39 PM »
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Re: FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7
« Reply #93 on: February 10, 2011, 12:07:57 PM »
This post is off topic but very important .I spent all morning trying to create a new thread , but it is beyond my skills . Go to Peswiki News dateline wed Feb9 th . There is a brilliant article on a practical Zero Point energy device of 1Kw output , using only three components ! Could someone with some skills please post a link , or better still start a new thread . Thanking you in advance .

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Re: FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7
« Reply #94 on: February 10, 2011, 01:51:46 PM »
This post is off topic but very important .I spent all morning trying to create a new thread , but it is beyond my skills . Go to Peswiki News dateline wed Feb9 th . There is a brilliant article on a practical Zero Point energy device of 1Kw output , using only three components ! Could someone with some skills please post a link , or better still start a new thread . Thanking you in advance .
The thread are created with the link. Please let us continue on topic in this thread, so we do not discuss zero point energy here :)

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Re: FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7
« Reply #94 on: February 10, 2011, 01:51:46 PM »
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Re: FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7
« Reply #95 on: February 10, 2011, 04:24:33 PM »
Well done !

@broli, I'll have to keep replying to these clowns and it will become a mess.

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Re: FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7
« Reply #96 on: February 10, 2011, 10:25:32 PM »
@broli, Have you done more experiments lately? I feel that you are on the right track.
Btw. could it be possible to "close" and "open" the magnetic path by using rotation of steel, instead of forcing iron bars back and forth?

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Re: FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7
« Reply #97 on: February 11, 2011, 12:17:15 AM »
@broli, Have you done more experiments lately? I feel that you are on the right track.
Btw. could it be possible to "close" and "open" the magnetic path by using rotation of steel, instead of forcing iron bars back and forth?

Vidar

Can't say that I did. Trying to get back on track with some stuff in life then I can see where to go next.

Another thing is that there are so many possible designs that's it's hard to affix on one and go through with it. It's sort of like gambling.

For instance you just suggested another interesting thing that got my mind racing.

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Re: FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7
« Reply #98 on: February 11, 2011, 11:23:59 AM »
@Low-Q, Is this what you had in mind?

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Re: FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7
« Reply #99 on: February 11, 2011, 11:37:24 AM »
Is this thread about Omnibus? No, it is about a FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7 ::)

This forum is about real FE, not about software bugs or misuses.


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Re: FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7
« Reply #100 on: February 11, 2011, 12:09:40 PM »
Can't say that I did. Trying to get back on track with some stuff in life then I can see where to go next.

Another thing is that there are so many possible designs that's it's hard to affix on one and go through with it. It's sort of like gambling.

For instance you just suggested another interesting thing that got my mind racing.
I think it is important to think as simple as possible. Work out the principles, and then find the least common denominator to make it as simple as possible.

I can allways make a FEMM simulation based on the rotary idea I got.

Edit: I had in mind a simpler version than those you have drawn (Good ideas though - one of your drawings remind me about the laminated iron core in brushless motors. Maybe that can be used. I have a few of these cores). I haven't tried my idea in a simulation yet, but I will.

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Re: FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7
« Reply #100 on: February 11, 2011, 12:09:40 PM »
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Re: FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7
« Reply #101 on: February 11, 2011, 12:20:28 PM »
I suddenly got a new idea. Using a half iron disc in a rotor (aligned just as in one of your drawings), and let a magnet attract to its outer diameter. While the magnet is inside the half iron disc, we move the magnet to the center where it will privide much less torque when the half disc escape from the magnet. Move the magnet out when the half disc are on the oposite side so it can provide greater torque when the half iron disk approaches again...

Or shape a half spiral of iron from center and out. Let the magnet attract the outer part of the spiral, then let the magnet follow the spiral into the center as it rotates, and let the spiral escape there, where it is less counter torque.

I will make a drawing!

Edit: We let the magnet moove up and down, controlled by a crankshaft. The excess energy are created by the difference in torque and velocity difference between the outer enterance diameter and inner escape diameter.

Vidar
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Re: FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7
« Reply #102 on: February 11, 2011, 02:13:07 PM »
In the quest of over simplification, how about the following design.

Perhaps too simplified :P . This is in a similar category as the one I illustrated a few pages ago with half of a the magnet sticking out.

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Re: FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7
« Reply #103 on: February 11, 2011, 11:26:52 PM »
Here is a couple of drawings which might be something:

The first model are complicated to build due to lots of moving parts, crankshaft etc.

The second model are very simple design.

Common for them both are the principles shown in the initial post by proli. Equal poles repel, but the rotor- and stator magnets are just looking at them self since the magnetic field loops directly back to themself while inside the shield, but rotor and stator will see eachother outside the shield where the magnetic fields are not guided directly away from eachother.

The designs are suppose to work like this:
The rotors in both designs rotates clockwise. The rotors are rotating eccentric to the stator magnet ring. This is done to provide torque as the rotormagnets can escape from the statormagnet as they rotate. There is a magnetic shield one half round so the rotor and stator inside it doesn't care if the rotor magnet approaches the stator - even when like poles are facing.
When the rotor magnet escape from the shield, it is very close to the stator. Which means it wants to escape from the stator. The eccentric alignment of the rotor llows the rotormagnets to escape in an rotational manner.


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Re: FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7
« Reply #104 on: February 12, 2011, 12:27:01 AM »
Hi Vidar,

Interesting setups, I like them, although at the moment I cannot see how torque may develop between rotor and stator magnets, if you mean this is a motor setup?  Can you sometime test it with your magnets?

Thanks,
 Gyula

 

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