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Author Topic: FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7  (Read 74758 times)

Butch LaFonte

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Amazing how many ideas come from brainstorming together
« Reply #45 on: February 04, 2011, 09:33:57 PM »
I have always wondered how much progress would be made if people put as much thought into trying to figure out how to make something work as they put into trying to figure out why something will not work and then just leaving the idea alone after doing so. It's good to see the ideas and people working together.
I will post over 1200 drawings of over 1200 ideas I have come up with over the years to my Flickr sight.
I will post all video's to Youtube of tests Mark and I ran, most all done my Mark after building them in his shop.
It will take months to get them all up loaded, but they will be available should anyone want to view them. There are magnet only, coil only, magnet/coil combinations, and a few other types. I will also continue posting any new ideas we come up with.
I am getting many emails and messages and I will try to answer them all in time. Thanks everyone for all the help you have given over the years. I wish I could meet you all and have a beer together!
Maybe someday,
Butch

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Re: FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7
« Reply #46 on: February 05, 2011, 11:27:28 AM »
In engineering, it is common to design one part or many parts to perform one function or one task only.  We need to get away from this kind of thinking.  We need to design a system, where each part performs multiple functions and tasks working together with other parts performing multiple functions in order to increase effiency.  For example, if we have a system based on conventional engineering concepts utilizing 2W input, but is only giving 1.75W output, then the same system being more efficient on the input side making the most use from each part, may use 1.5W input while giving the same 1.75W output.

This video will show how energy saving on the input side, can give more energy out than the energy put in.  A small particle of carboxy fullerene is placed on top of heat sensitive explosive. Irradiation with a 785 nm laser (1W) results in an instantaneous explosion.  In the absence of carboxy fullerenes, the laser with output power of 5W, failed to ignite the explosives.  ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJvh0yA69ow )

I agree, OU is an engineering issue.  Its good to see people working together for a change.  Great thread!

GB
« Last Edit: February 05, 2011, 02:23:55 PM by gravityblock »

exnihiloest

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Re: Amazing how many ideas come from brainstorming together
« Reply #47 on: February 05, 2011, 11:42:31 AM »
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I will post over 1200 drawings of over 1200 ideas I have come up with over the years to my Flickr sight.
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Please save your time and ours. Only one but working would be enough.


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Re: Amazing how many ideas come from brainstorming together
« Reply #48 on: February 05, 2011, 12:55:03 PM »
Please save your time and ours. Only one but working would be enough.
Yep.
Ok, But Butch is playing the tune.
Or, the Butch's group?

Win-Win arrangement.

broli

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Re: FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7
« Reply #49 on: February 05, 2011, 02:16:48 PM »
exnihiloest, I'll say this early on irregardless of your content. Please refrain from posting in this thread which I created. This also counts for your friend spinn_MP.

Thanks.

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Re: FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7
« Reply #50 on: February 05, 2011, 03:12:18 PM »
Butch,
Your ideas are one of the ties that bind us in this quest to harness magnetism,

1200 ideas and concepts for a design? WOW

How many did Edison and company do before they got a light bulb ?

They persevered and got the Bulb,

The odds are with you Butch!

Thanks

Chet
PS
Broli tell the boss you want to Moderate your thread?

spinn_MP

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Re: FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7
« Reply #51 on: February 05, 2011, 03:23:11 PM »
exnihiloest, I'll say this early on irregardless of your content. Please refrain from posting in this thread which I created. This also counts for your friend spinn_MP.

Thanks.

OK, a fair call...
Similar call kept me from one of the more successful  threads, for years...
(E.g., the "Jule thief" stuff...)
No harm done.
Cheers!

ramset

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Re: FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7
« Reply #52 on: February 05, 2011, 03:29:10 PM »
They say the Aboriginal society went for 50,000. years with out inventing the wheel [they never did]?

Some guys don't look for change,some do!

You do you!

Chet

broli

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Re: FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7
« Reply #53 on: February 05, 2011, 09:11:49 PM »
Became really busy last days so couldn't do much design work. I have made this crude rotary version. I think this would reduce complexity and issues arising from a linear system. The most important thing is finding cores that large. I actually found a relatively cheap substitution. Steel strapping. These can be bought with all kind specs and above all they can be bought pre painted. This would eliminate the eddy current issue.

The presented design is really a crude setup I made in the little time I had, it's missing some functional things, but imo this is the way to go.

http://www.cswp.org/steel.htm
http://www.materialflow.com/index.cfm?mf=browse.showPart&partClassID=3353&PName=High%20Strength%20Steel%20Strapping
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Re: FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7
« Reply #54 on: February 05, 2011, 10:38:46 PM »
I really like the pre-painted steel strapping idea for the cores.  A rotary system does appear to be much simpler than a linear system also.  This is a good start, and the best thing of all, it can be done without the need to have the parts machined, etc. which should reduce the cost.

GB 

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Re: FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7
« Reply #55 on: February 06, 2011, 01:41:34 PM »
I really like the pre-painted steel strapping idea for the cores.  A rotary system does appear to be much simpler than a linear system also.  This is a good start, and the best thing of all, it can be done without the need to have the parts machined, etc. which should reduce the cost.

GB
This is pretty much what they use to make toroide transformer cores. I have now a lot of strap tie ribbons because they used it on all the materials for the roof on my new house I'm building. Finally I get a garage too to do all the experiments in ;D

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Re: FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7
« Reply #56 on: February 06, 2011, 02:38:09 PM »
@broli . Excellent design , excellent artwork . I would like to illustrate my design in the same way . Unfortunately , due to having very poor eyesight these days , I am unable to do it . It would be really nice if you , or someone else could draw it for me . I f there are points about the design which are unclear , then just ask . Many thanks , Neptune .

broli

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Re: FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7
« Reply #57 on: February 07, 2011, 09:29:09 AM »
@broli . Excellent design , excellent artwork . I would like to illustrate my design in the same way . Unfortunately , due to having very poor eyesight these days , I am unable to do it . It would be really nice if you , or someone else could draw it for me . I f there are points about the design which are unclear , then just ask . Many thanks , Neptune .

@neptune, I would but I can't promise much, due to time and motivation constraints. If a good idea needs to be visualized for true understanding then I can help, but not necessarily if the idea can be conveyed in a simple diagram.

Currently I'm continuously rethinking the concept of this thread. Going through with the purely mechanical variant will ensue many issues at higher speeds, but then again we wouldn't need many cycles per second for a proof of concept. But then again I don't want to waist much time on little output.

I think a continuously rotating setup with no secondary motion would be the easiest to build. I'm talking about something similar to this:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10021.5

In fact the stationary magnets there are not needed. We know that irregardless of the poles of the magnets the attraction or repulsion of two magnets trapped between a ferromagnetic materials is reduced significantly or elliminated completely. So irregardless of the field the coil produces it has no mechanical effect on the rotor magnets. We just need to make sure the air gap is tight.

This setup would easily allow us to have 50 to 60 cycles per second at approximately 3000-3600 RPM.


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Re: FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7
« Reply #58 on: February 07, 2011, 09:52:32 AM »
exnihiloest, I'll say this early on irregardless of your content. Please refrain from posting in this thread which I created. This also counts for your friend spinn_MP.

Thanks.

I replied about who said "I will post over 1200 drawings of over 1200 ideas", not about you.
I do not obey the censors, particularly those spreading or supporting useless matter about clearly fallacious FE claims.
Sorry for that.


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Re: FEMM simulation showing COP 3 and 7
« Reply #59 on: February 07, 2011, 10:33:50 AM »
I do not obey the censors, particularly those spreading or supporting useless matter about clearly fallacious FE claims.
Sorry for that.

If you don't like it go make your own thread or even better your own forum. This is not your forum, this is not a public place and your opinion is meaningless. Go take your free speech bullshit elsewhere buddy because you seem to misunderstand the difference between a privately owned forum and a public place. If you keep ignoring the polite request I'll ask for moderation of this thread and shut your anti progressive negative bullshit by force.