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Author Topic: Would a self looping SMOT be proof of OU?  (Read 20936 times)

Offline Omnibus

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Re: Would a self looping SMOT be proof of OU?
« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2011, 06:21:44 PM »
Oh, c'mon. Everybody believes you.

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Re: Would a self looping SMOT be proof of OU?
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Re: Would a self looping SMOT be proof of OU?
« Reply #31 on: February 01, 2011, 06:26:37 PM »
Why should we believe you on your word?, a claim without proof is pointless.

You COULD make money out of this, if its real...

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Re: Would a self looping SMOT be proof of OU?
« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2011, 11:18:08 PM »

You COULD make money out of this, if its real...


HOW ?

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Re: Would a self looping SMOT be proof of OU?
« Reply #32 on: February 01, 2011, 11:18:08 PM »
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Re: Would a self looping SMOT be proof of OU?
« Reply #33 on: February 01, 2011, 11:42:00 PM »
XS
You know there's no way to make mula on this,
And you don't want to open source,
So why are you torturing us?

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Re: Would a self looping SMOT be proof of OU?
« Reply #34 on: February 01, 2011, 11:50:33 PM »
Thank you Chet.

You must be right.
Some people gave me the impression you could get rich by building FE devices.
I know this is not true that's why i ask those people HOW.
But you made it clear so thanks.

By the way i'm not against open source i just wanted to win the OU Prize.
I am scaling up to meet the 1 Watt challenge  :)

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Re: Would a self looping SMOT be proof of OU?
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Re: Would a self looping SMOT be proof of OU?
« Reply #35 on: February 01, 2011, 11:58:51 PM »
XS
You're one of the brightest members we have here,If you couldn't think of a way to make money,[I'm sure you spent ALOT of time thinking on this}!
Then it must be a real problem!

Myself I never give it much thought,[making money on FE]
But an open source venue is not the best place to explore the Finance side of OU.

Of Course you could always share?? ;D

Tell Stefan you will share the "Basic" idea here,
On the premise that when we get it making power ,you get the prize money?
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Chet

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Re: Would a self looping SMOT be proof of OU?
« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2011, 12:07:07 AM »
The topic is the question. Please weigh in on this, any comments would be appreciated.
Bill
IF you can loop a SMOT, and IF it works, even with friction, it would definitely be a proof ov OU. This far no one has prooved that SMOT can deliver excess energy - not even a small portion. No matter how perfect the design are, a SMOT can not achieve greater than COP 1 - at most. Which means it will stop definitely when trying to harness energy from it.

The magnetic force have no problems in pulling the ball up a gentle incline, because the force are allowed to spend a given amount of time to do it - maybe the magnets must pull 1gram for 20cm track which ends 2cm above ground. However, when the ball are on the top with respect to the gravitional field, the magnetic force are not sufficient to keep the 10gram ball from falling vertical, so the gravitional field, which is allowed to use a vertical slope to take that ball back, wins.
Imagine you are rolling a 1 ton steel ball up a gentle slope. Say you move the ball 100 meters forwards in order to get 1 meter up. You have now felt the force of 10kg against you these 100 meters. No problem. At the end of this slope there is a vertical slope downwards. One lucky bastard are told to keep that ball from falling down vertically. Who "wins"? The ball or the lucky bastard? Even if that lucky bastard will get the same amount of energy to lift that heavy ball down that 1 meter, as it took for you to roll it up that gentle slope, there is no way that lucky bastard will survive this exsercise...

The same mechanisms applies to the SMOT. What appears to be excess energy, are really not because we have to consider the spent time and force in every part of the exsercise, the conservative forces in the magnets and gravity cannot be turned on and off on demand either.

The discussion will however go on whether the SMOT can, or cannot provide excess energy.

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Re: Would a self looping SMOT be proof of OU?
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Re: Would a self looping SMOT be proof of OU?
« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2011, 12:15:14 AM »
I have conclusively proved that smot producess excess energy and thus violates CoE. The fact that some people don't have basic understanding of physics which prevents then from understanding the proof doesn't make that proof one bit invalid.

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Re: Would a self looping SMOT be proof of OU?
« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2011, 12:33:34 AM »
I would like to see XS's device working.   A video would have been nice but I do not think he will share.     :-[

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Re: Would a self looping SMOT be proof of OU?
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Re: Would a self looping SMOT be proof of OU?
« Reply #39 on: February 08, 2011, 12:36:46 AM »
I would like to see XS's device working.   A video would have been nice but I do not think he will share.     :-[

Bill

Oh, don't ask XS that. His device is too good to be shown here.

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Re: Would a self looping SMOT be proof of OU?
« Reply #40 on: February 08, 2011, 12:44:23 AM »
Just a thought,   maybe XS could provide a Non-disclosure aggreement (NDA) like Steorn,  of his device for some of us to verify that is real and works...?????    But I doubt he would do it ....   

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Re: Would a self looping SMOT be proof of OU?
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Re: Would a self looping SMOT be proof of OU?
« Reply #41 on: February 08, 2011, 12:56:36 AM »
What device? XS is too good to have a device.

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Re: Would a self looping SMOT be proof of OU?
« Reply #42 on: February 08, 2011, 10:20:54 AM »
I have conclusively proved that smot producess excess energy and thus violates CoE. The fact that some people don't have basic understanding of physics which prevents then from understanding the proof doesn't make that proof one bit invalid.
No, you haven't. The fact isn't that people don't have basic understanding of physics. The fact is that you have overlooked important details which you are too ignorant to see no matter how many times I have to repeat that for you. SMOT does not violate CoE.

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« Reply #43 on: February 08, 2011, 10:35:57 AM »
My proof that smot-like devices are OU is definitive and needs no further discussion. Those interested in the details of the proof may go back in the forum and read the arguments. Of course, the fact that someone doesn't understand the arguments doesn't mean that the arguments are invalid.

Besides, I have proven definitively that the standard physics contains inherently violation of CoE. This should never be forgotten by those who need firm ground for their OU claims. Thus, we don't need to concede with the foisting of the mainstream that standard science denies violation of CoE and therefore have to look for esoteric, mostly unacceptable explanations for our OU findings such as energy from the vacuum, zero point energy and what not. Luckily, everything fits right into the framework of the known science, understood deeply and correctly.

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« Reply #44 on: February 08, 2011, 11:01:50 AM »
My proof that smot-like devices are OU is definitive and needs no further discussion. Those interested in the details of the proof may go back in the forum and read the arguments. Of course, the fact that someone doesn't understand the arguments doesn't mean that the arguments are invalid.

Besides, I have proven definitively that the standard physics contains inherently violation of CoE. This should never be forgotten by those who need firm ground for their OU claims. Thus, we don't need to concede with the foisting of the mainstream that standard science denies violation of CoE and therefore have to look for esoteric, mostly unacceptable explanations for our OU findings such as energy from the vacuum, zero point energy and what not. Luckily, everything fits right into the framework of the known science, understood deeply and correctly.
What appears to be a proof are not a real proof. Even you can get wrong once in a while. I have proven definitely that a SMOT are not violating CoE. One really do not need to be very skilled to understand that SMOT cannot violate CoE. The explanation lies in its simple and understandable physics of a SMOT.
Because the SMOT also use magnetic force, means you cannot rely the proof of CoE just by considering the balls delta H with respect to the gravitional force only. This is not the only thing you have missed. Also that the ball gains potential energy at the very moment you use your hand to place the ball at the beginning of the track. So it is the hand that applies potential energy into the system. What appears to be a violation of CoE, is your hand applied that energy in advance. There is more to the SMOT that proves no violation of CoE. If you want to know, try studying your papers a few times more.
No matter what you reply, a SMOT does not violate CoE. There is no real proof of violation of CoE other than an apparent proof due to ignorance.

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