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Offline Magluvin

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Re: Break through!
« Reply #75 on: February 02, 2011, 07:26:38 PM »
I agree with Butch here.  He is presenting an idea that from his mass of experience, he believes it may work.  Nothing wrong wit dat. At least he shows, and shows, and shows.  While many others show just nagging text like they rule er sumthin.

I still think getting the plates to separate will be a good trick, but he is right, its a great seed. We need to try and do anything and everything to accomplish this goal, no stone unturned.  ;]

Well now I think maybe there should be 3 sections of this forum, the Nags at the entry level, then newbies can get elected to an intermediate level that accepts any experience level nag member, and then the elite level can elect from that level to join the best.   This way everyone gets a fair chance to be part of the club. Everyone graduates to the next level by earning it.  This would keep the real thinkers to the thinkin instead of replying to bs posts.

Keep it coming Butch    Just ignore and just post the good stuff, cuz the nags feed on the replies. ;]

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Re: Break through!
« Reply #75 on: February 02, 2011, 07:26:38 PM »

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Pure Pseudo Solid?
« Reply #76 on: February 02, 2011, 08:57:12 PM »
Idea, see attached

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Sorry, wrong drawing
« Reply #77 on: February 02, 2011, 09:07:59 PM »
This is the correct drawing for Pure Pseudo Solid
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Sorry, wrong drawing
« Reply #77 on: February 02, 2011, 09:07:59 PM »
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Offline mscoffman

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Re: Break through!
« Reply #78 on: February 02, 2011, 09:23:06 PM »
One problem I have is that the motor rotor doesn't seem to imply
any asymmetric force vectors? Why does this want to rotate except
by some sort of magnetic phase delay? Magnetic fields can equalize
instantaneously when they want to.

:S:MarkSCoffman

Butch LaFonte

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Re: Break through!
« Reply #79 on: February 02, 2011, 10:45:45 PM »
Mark,
Look at the illustration in the upper right of the magnet and rotor.
Imagine the pseudo solid slugs not on the shaft, just the narrow flat square rotor.
When it is just past 90 degrees to the magnet poles the torque would pull it vertical to line up with the flux field with a very strong force. It would probably cut your finger off if you had it in the way.
Then the pseudo solid slugs move in and make it a solid steel bar in effect so it can rotate 90 degrees to start the cycle again.
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Re: Break through!
« Reply #79 on: February 02, 2011, 10:45:45 PM »
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Offline Xaverius

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Re: Break through!
« Reply #80 on: February 03, 2011, 01:07:49 AM »
Maybe we can work this out like adults. How about this we agree that there will be two types of open sourcing, Theory Open Sourcing and Working Device Open Sourcing?
The person states at the begining which class his work falls into. If one doesn't like working with theory then he stays off the thread by choice.
Every tree starts with a seed, we need all the ideas we can get.
We also need help in getting the working device verified and to market.
Each of these needs a place to be accepted and grow.
Thanks,
Butch
Sounds right to me, Butch.  All flamers and trolls, get outta here.

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Re: Break through!
« Reply #81 on: February 06, 2011, 12:15:08 PM »
Butch,

Just an idea: What if you use permanent springs to force the discs together. The magnetic field in phase 2 will go through the solid bar, so the springs are now able to press the discs together. In phase 1 the discs are closest to the magnets and will be forced apart due to the like pole all the discs are facing. In this phase there is less steel to guide the magnetic flux, so the magnets want to use the solid parts of the rotor. So then the rotor rotates to ligne up the solid steel. Now, the discs are out of the magnetic field and the springs will overcome the magnetic force and compress the discs together again to make a "solid" steel. This will in turn let the rotor continue into phase 1 again, and the cycle repeats.

The delay in the mass of the discs will be sufficient to make an offset which will make sure of a stable and continous rotation.

Just some thoughts.

Vidar

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Re: Break through!
« Reply #81 on: February 06, 2011, 12:15:08 PM »
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Butch LaFonte

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Re: Break through!
« Reply #82 on: February 08, 2011, 08:31:17 AM »
Butch,

Just an idea: What if you use permanent springs to force the discs together. The magnetic field in phase 2 will go through the solid bar, so the springs are now able to press the discs together. In phase 1 the discs are closest to the magnets and will be forced apart due to the like pole all the discs are facing. In this phase there is less steel to guide the magnetic flux, so the magnets want to use the solid parts of the rotor. So then the rotor rotates to ligne up the solid steel. Now, the discs are out of the magnetic field and the springs will overcome the magnetic force and compress the discs together again to make a "solid" steel. This will in turn let the rotor continue into phase 1 again, and the cycle repeats.

The delay in the mass of the discs will be sufficient to make an offset which will make sure of a stable and continous rotation.

Just some thoughts.

Vidar
Great Idea! That should work.
Thanks,
Butch

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New animation uploaded, LaFonte Research Group, Pure Pusedo Solid Device
« Reply #83 on: February 08, 2011, 08:33:26 AM »
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Re: New animation uploaded, LaFonte Research Group, Pure Pusedo Solid Device
« Reply #84 on: February 08, 2011, 09:37:26 AM »
This link > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ6DcYKe010
When separated the outer parts have its greatest mass aligned with the magnetic field, and will not turn away, but will be kept locked in the magnetic field. I think your first example with the discs are better. If it works better i practice, I don't know.

Vidar

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Re: Break through!
« Reply #85 on: February 09, 2011, 03:06:33 AM »
Butch,

Just an idea: What if you use permanent springs to force the discs together. The magnetic field in phase 2 will go through the solid bar, so the springs are now able to press the discs together. In phase 1 the discs are closest to the magnets and will be forced apart due to the like pole all the discs are facing. In this phase there is less steel to guide the magnetic flux, so the magnets want to use the solid parts of the rotor. So then the rotor rotates to ligne up the solid steel. Now, the discs are out of the magnetic field and the springs will overcome the magnetic force and compress the discs together again to make a "solid" steel. This will in turn let the rotor continue into phase 1 again, and the cycle repeats.

The delay in the mass of the discs will be sufficient to make an offset which will make sure of a stable and continous rotation.

Just some thoughts.

Vidar

Hey Vidar

Are you saying that the disks or plates will repel each other while in close proximity to the stator magnet pole?   Have you tried this?

Mags

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Re: Break through!
« Reply #85 on: February 09, 2011, 03:06:33 AM »
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Re: Break through!
« Reply #86 on: February 09, 2011, 03:30:41 AM »
Sorry, my last post may have seemed rude.  But if lets say we had iron filings instead of disks, would they separate when subject to the pole of a magnet? 
Id love to hear more if what you guys are talking about works.  Maybe I missed something

Mags

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Re: Break through!
« Reply #87 on: February 09, 2011, 02:38:34 PM »
Sorry, my last post may have seemed rude.  But if lets say we had iron filings instead of disks, would they separate when subject to the pole of a magnet? 
Id love to hear more if what you guys are talking about works.  Maybe I missed something

Mags
It's OK :) No problem!

When you have a couple of iron discs stacked together, they want to separate in presence of a magnetic pole. This happens because all the discs are now small magnets with equal poles side by side. We know that equal poles repel eachother.

If the spring are not too hard on the discs, the magnetic field will try, end succeed in separating the discs to a sertain extent.

I have tried to stack a bunch of washers on a nonmagnetic rod. The washers will separate in presence of a magnetic pole.

Experiments also show that when the discs are separated, the attraction to the magnetic pole are greater. Hopefully, this will be compensated by outer discs which will in sum reduce the magnetic conductivity when the discs are separated so there will be greater attraction to the solid part of the rotor so it wants to rotate. When all the magnetic flux pass through the solid part, there will be less flux through the washers which in turn will be too little for the discs to be kept separated, so the spring will smash those discs together, making a solid iron part. At this phase, the rotor will freely continue to rotate because of the uniform rotor. A delay caused by the mass in the discs will allow the discs to separate "too late", so the rotor can rotate more than 90 degrees before they are fully separated. This delay also applies further, but that is a good thing as we want as much separation as possible for as long as possible to let the solid part of the rotor to enter a second round - then hopefully the rotor will continue.

However, I have a feeling that I have not taken into acount all important details about the real life physics, which will force the design to a stop anyways. I do hope for the best :)

Vidar

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Re: Break through!
« Reply #88 on: February 09, 2011, 05:16:31 PM »
Something everyone should keep in mind is that when the disks are touching the upper and lower bars or rather in slidding contact and are positioned directly under the magnet poles, there is no repulsion between them. The reason for this is that there is no air gap. The air gap is where all the repulsion takes place.
Butch

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Re: New animation uploaded, LaFonte Research Group, Pure Pusedo Solid Device
« Reply #89 on: February 10, 2011, 05:32:50 AM »
When separated the outer parts have its greatest mass aligned with the magnetic field, and will not turn away, but will be kept locked in the magnetic field. I think your first example with the discs are better. If it works better i practice, I don't know.

Vidar
We found that the "locking force" on the outside elements is far less than the locking force on the center rotor.
So that is a net gain in energy. Will post video of tests tomorrow night.
Butch

 

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