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### Author Topic: AMAZING NEW VIDEO BY THANE HEINS  (Read 22768 times)

#### bobo36us2

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##### AMAZING NEW VIDEO BY THANE HEINS
« on: January 03, 2011, 10:13:03 PM »

#### Omnibus

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##### Re: AMAZING NEW VIDEO BY THANE HEINS
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2011, 10:19:40 PM »
What's so amazing about a video showing incorrect measurements?

#### bobo36us2

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##### Re: AMAZING NEW VIDEO BY THANE HEINS
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2011, 10:44:59 PM »
What's so amazing about a video showing incorrect measurements?

Without any further explanation of that statement, I can only assume
we we're watching two different videos :-)

The one I watched showed 0 watts input, 18 watts output, with a further
claim from the inventor that a 0 watt input can be maintained under ANY load condition.

Pretty basic math, ANYTHING X 0 = 0
For example:
10 X 0 = 0
225 x 0 = 0
4325 x 0 = 0
10,874 x 0 = 0
1,484,587 x 0 = yes, 0

A multiplication of zero in ANY equation will always result in a net zero, regardless of the number of variables!

#### Omnibus

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##### Re: AMAZING NEW VIDEO BY THANE HEINS
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2011, 11:31:40 PM »
No, the inventor cannot claim zero watt input with this kind of measurements. There can be conditions for zero watt input and non-zero watt output. I have shown that in a simple circuit due to natural asymmetry in electrical systems. But the way this inventor is demonstrating it can only compromise the claim.

#### bobo36us2

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##### Re: AMAZING NEW VIDEO BY THANE HEINS
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2011, 11:51:28 PM »
Will you please show the link to the circuit you are referring to?

#### bolt

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##### Re: AMAZING NEW VIDEO BY THANE HEINS
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2011, 01:07:06 AM »
There is nothing special about this whatsoever.  A standard off the shelf transformer can do the same and yes creating PF 0 condition is the same as infinite VSWR and scaler operation. "WE" those of us in the know have been talking about this for YEARS on here but no one pays attention.  Using a 3 phase motor into PF 0 condition can light a THOUSAND WATT bulb and consume only a couple of watts leakage from PF 0 so forget 18 watts its kids stuff.

Any measurement meter will show ZERO power consumption and it is correct cos there isn't any power when PF is 0. Problem is Thane serving this on a Xmas Platter but we knew this for long time.

#### TinselKoala

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##### Re: AMAZING NEW VIDEO BY THANE HEINS
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2011, 01:36:52 AM »
bobo, think for a moment. Zero Watts input, electrically.... means NO POWER INPUT. Therefore.... why does the device need to be hooked up to a functioning input power supply then?

Since it manifestly won't run without being hooked up to an input power source, the "zero Watts" measurement of input power is OBVIOUSLY incorrect. Whether it's less than the measured output or greater is an important issue.... but with "measurements" and reasoning like these, how will you or anyone else ever be able to tell?

#### Omnibus

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##### Re: AMAZING NEW VIDEO BY THANE HEINS
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2011, 02:38:20 AM »

#### Omnibus

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##### Re: AMAZING NEW VIDEO BY THANE HEINS
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2011, 02:46:09 AM »
bobo, think for a moment. Zero Watts input, electrically.... means NO POWER INPUT. Therefore.... why does the device need to be hooked up to a functioning input power supply then?

Since it manifestly won't run without being hooked up to an input power source, the "zero Watts" measurement of input power is OBVIOUSLY incorrect. Whether it's less than the measured output or greater is an important issue.... but with "measurements" and reasoning like these, how will you or anyone else ever be able to tell?

Zero watts input indeed means no power input but it does not al all mean zero current input. As I've shown, there may be conditions whereby the power input is zero but there's still current flowing which means non-zero power output. Therefore, the above "obviously" is out of place.

#### bolt

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##### Re: AMAZING NEW VIDEO BY THANE HEINS
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2011, 03:04:52 AM »
You still need a source potential to create a resonance condition. However if there is no power consumed (there is always a tiny bit in reality) then the source just becomes an energizer. For example you could run the transformer on a small 100 watt inverter connected to a 12v gel battery and measure the current. This always sorts this measurement arguing as its DC.

BUT the transformer is still capable of delivering real watts to a load NOT seen back at the battery under these conditions. TUNING is hellish critical!

"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. (1990's)  Second, it is violently opposed. (2000-2010)  Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. (2011...

#### tesletic

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##### Re: AMAZING NEW VIDEO BY THANE HEINS
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2015, 07:20:57 PM »
Hi all, I would highly appreciate if someone can explain me why there still isn't  a self runner, bare minimum made from this experiments as it shows clearly a COP of 39.6 !?

#### ptxcdexia

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##### Re: AMAZING NEW VIDEO BY THANE HEINS
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2015, 07:54:41 PM »
Hi all, I would highly appreciate if someone can explain me why there still isn't a self runner, bare minimum made from this experiments as it shows clearly a COP of 39.6 !?

This resembles a design similar to Ed Leedskalnin's PMH (Perpetual Motion Holder). However, the design has been improved..

After the iron is magnetized and in a closed-loop, when shorting the coils together (in the correct polarity), the "magnetic current" within' the iron is sped up. That is supposedly it's own "self runner." As for the COP, I'm not one for numbers until I've conducted the experiments myself. However, I've just seen a number of experiments involving the PMH which are similar to this one..

#### MarkE

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##### Re: AMAZING NEW VIDEO BY THANE HEINS
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2015, 09:31:52 PM »
Zero watts input indeed means no power input but it does not al all mean zero current input. As I've shown, there may be conditions whereby the power input is zero but there's still current flowing which means non-zero power output. Therefore, the above "obviously" is out of place.
At phase angles approaching 90 degrees, small measurement errors make for big percentage errors in the results.  There is 89 degrees, 89.5 degrees, 89.9 degrees, etc, and then there is 90.0 degrees and they are all very different.

#### MarkE

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##### Re: AMAZING NEW VIDEO BY THANE HEINS
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2015, 09:33:39 PM »
Hi all, I would highly appreciate if someone can explain me why there still isn't  a self runner, bare minimum made from this experiments as it shows clearly a COP of 39.6 !?

#### TinselKoala

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##### Re: AMAZING NEW VIDEO BY THANE HEINS
« Reply #14 on: February 02, 2015, 01:30:41 AM »
Hi all, I would highly appreciate if someone can explain me why there still isn't  a self runner, bare minimum made from this experiments as it shows clearly a COP of 39.6 !?

I will gladly explain. It is a false claim, based on  _measurement error_ and faulty understanding of conventional theory.

You are perfectly correct that such a high "COP" as we use the term should make constructing a self runner a trivial exercise. Any competent EE or even hobbyist could do it. I have repeatedly stated that I can do it, given a device with electrical inputs and outputs that made at least COP 1.3, that is a mere 130 percent of its input . With such a large ratio as 39.6 (are we sure it's not 40, or 39.5?) it would indeed be trivial to use the output to charge up some capacitors and then run a _second identical unit_ on the capacitors with whatever buffer or inverter circuitry in between, that would put out even more power than the first one. By the time you have chained together six or ten such units you are talking about Real Power that could actually run substantial loads far greater than could the input to the first unit in the chain.  Yet this is never done by the claimants. Why not? _Because they cannot, because their claims are erroneous_.
All the while, the claimants are still powering their homes and laboratories on.... the Grid. And their demonstrations always include Big Batteries, Power Supplies, Mains connections.... and of course DMMs and a bank of light bulbs. Where is the actual Power Analyzer that could easily be used for testing these devices? Nowhere to be found.