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br0k2e

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Re: Gravity- Overbalanced- Magnet wheel br0k2e
« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2011, 07:04:34 AM »
Quote from: Omnibus on January 07, 2011, 06:44:27 AM
This always happens when trolls such as @MrMag jump all over the place and you try to nip their spamming in the bud. You may notice he hasn't contributed anything of substance regarding your proposal.

As for the proposal, I think any overbalanced wheel is potentially viable. Like I said the ideas of all of them are trivial but nonetheless they have to be explored until a working device is made.

First off,indeed, you're right about that, it has to have a ramp or some way of forcing the weights to always go along such a path that the center of mass stays always sideways with regard to the axis of rotation at any angle of rotation of the wheel. This ensures persistent violation of the lever rule at every angle of rotation. Lack of such ramp is a major defficiency in most of the proposals. Once the construction ensures this conditin (and, like I said, there are numerous such constructions) the major enemy to a working device is the friction. In other words, the OU property of the device is set in stone, it is permanent, while the friction is the variable and it has to be decreased below the levels of the inherent OU property of the device. So, yes, your design is viable and it will work, as far as I can tell now. How to decrease friction is what we should discuss now, I think.

Think about it, an internal compustion engine can work in principle but if you place sand in it and increase friction it will stall. Having stalled due to friction, however, doesn't in any way mean that ICE's are impossible.

Indeed friction itself is the enemy for this setup. The only thing it is lacking is a formation of magnets aligning the ramp to bring the pistons from the bottom to the top of the ramp in a manor that would repel them from touching the ramp itself. In this scale it needs less than 1/4 rotation in order to be out of balance.

Friction of the axis itself would be of my least concern. Do to lack of response I have yet to take this any further than depicted in the OP.
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Re: Gravity- Overbalanced- Magnet wheel br0k2e
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2011, 07:12:24 AM »
I wish you could change it and avoid magnets. Make it purely gravitational. That Italian one I menioned was purely gravity driven but I can't remember where I saw it.

My understanding is that when you have magnets you will always have to have a negative feedback via a ramp. One of the best proposals in this respect is that by @Roobert33 we're discussing in the other thread. Walter Torbay's motor too but it is too complicated to make.

On the other hand, for a purely gravity driven wheel the only thing necessary is to ensure the mentioned persistent violation of the lever rule and then, of course, to take care of the friction.

There may be a hybrid, a magneto-gravity device, whereby the magnetic field is assisted by gravity as in the magnetic propulsor and that is probably another viable way to explore in search for a working OU machine.

Now, where did you find this one? Who made it? It would be very useful to bring him to this forum to discuss the device with him.
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Re: Gravity- Overbalanced- Magnet wheel br0k2e
« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2011, 07:56:22 AM »
Quote from: Omnibus on January 07, 2011, 07:12:24 AM
I wish you could change it and avoid magnets. Make it purely gravitational. That Italian one I menioned was purely gravity driven but I can't remember where I saw it.

My understanding is that when you have magnets you will always have to have a negative feedback via a ramp. One of the best proposals in this respect is that by @Roobert33 we're discussing in the other thread. Walter Torbay's motor too but it is too complicated to make.

On the other hand, for a purely gravity driven wheel the only thing necessary is to ensure the mentioned persistent violation of the lever rule and then, of course, to take care of the friction.

There may be a hybrid, a magneto-gravity device, whereby the magnetic field is assisted by gravity as in the magnetic propulsor and that is probably another viable way to explore in search for a working OU machine.

Now, where did you find this one? Who made it? It would be very useful to bring him to this forum to discuss the device with him.

I have considered ways to change it perhaps wheels or something on the ends of each piston. And as to where I found it, in my brain, amongst all the other clutter (its mine). Who actually constructed it was my father. He has much more free time than I. I am simply a person of many thoughts with no firm understanding of the laws or rules of which you speak. Thus why I posted the device on here in the first place. Perhaps you can post a link to the thread "@Roobert33 we're discussing in the other thread. Walter Torbay's motor." in which you spoke of so I may reference. Off to bed for now.
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Re: Gravity- Overbalanced- Magnet wheel br0k2e
« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2011, 08:15:40 AM »
Now, here's a link to @Roobert33's device: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10034.0 . So far, @CLaNZeR has done the most towards replicating it. He has already posted three vids on it and everybody is waiting to see his next step and probably to congratulate him on his successful replication. @CLaNZeR is one of the best researchers in this forum and has his own forum too. I said there that I will also do some work on this device, starting probably next week.

As for Walter Torbay, I can't find the likns discussing his device but those were some of the longest and the device was one of the most discussed in the entire history of this forum.

Amother interesting device is that of @xpenzif and, of course, that of Sjack Abeling which whas also heavily discussed and the discussion is still going. You can find it somewhere in the Gravity Powered Devices section.

After so many discussions of various devices we're now at a point where we have to come up with at least one of these actually working so that third parties can replicate it. Now that you're so lucky to have your dad's device at your disposal, all that remains is to tweak it and find the conditions, the sweet spot, which will allow it to make full turns. That's tedious, I know, but at least you have the initial steps of the setting up the device already done. Good luck.
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Re: Gravity- Overbalanced- Magnet wheel br0k2e
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2011, 08:58:15 AM »
When I was talking above about magnet motors, stating the necessity for a negative feedback ensured by a cam, I forgot to mention another possibility, namely the one I discussed also recently here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10034.msg269592#msg269592 . To achieve these balances of forces which will be favorable for a machine to turn continuously is a very subtle job and one has to have really elaborate skills in fine mechanics to achieve success.
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