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gadgetmall

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #555 on: September 01, 2012, 10:39:16 PM »
here is a small version using parts from dvd player C-core on a broken home dvd player circuit board . it has two windings i did not wind or modify and hooked it up just like a normal jt except put a cap across the pot legs . it will pulse at one click per second and SCREAM and make lots of noise to well over 20 hz . it light up led bulbs unmodified or just one led . it is self regulating .it won't light a cfl on 1.2 volts as is and because i dont know how many winds are on the small C-Core transformer it just lights led  efficiently . this one has been running for two days now with me playing with it and leaving it lit night and day . 1.2 volt input . named it JOULE SCREAMER.i put a small plastic"amplifier" on top of the C -core junction . that is where all the sound comes from . i can make a vid if any one want me too.It is very LOUD and Vibrates .My daughter hate the sounds because her ears can hear the highest pitch . even a dog whistle and every Jt we have made . I can't but i can hear and feel this one . .its self starting and the small cap is not hooked up . just wire a jt and put a cap across a 9 k pot

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #556 on: September 25, 2012, 03:30:21 PM »
Lasersaber published a new Super Joule Ringer 3.0 Video, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcFHZMhnV2g .

I tried the new circuit where the output of the lamp is connected to the collector (in contrast to a connection to the emitter as in Super Joule Ringer 2.0).

But I could not wind the new transformer because Lasersaber has not yet published specifics of his new Ferrite rod and not yet a link to a source of his new Ferrite rod.

So, I use an old transformer which I had wound for testing the Super Joule Ringer 2.0, see the attached photos and circuit.

With this old transformer I can now also light incandescent lamps (dimly) and various CFLs and LED-lamps. But here in Europe they are all designed for 220 Volt (and not for 110 Volt as in the USofA). Therefore one needs an other set of windings. With a 60 turn primary and a 970 turn secondary I need at least 13 Volt to light various lamps. Specially lamps with a high Wattage (more than 5 Watt) need the 13 Volt to turn on reliably.

Once Lasersaber publishes specifics about his new Ferrite rod, I will try to find a winding ratio with works for a 220 Volt output.

Greetings, Conrad

P.S.: I used a 2N3055 transistor and the photo shows the circuit with a 5 Watt 220 Volt LED lamp.

P.S.: Lasersaber just published his Super Joule Ringer 3.0 http://laserhacker.com/SuperJouleRinger3.html and I will try to get a similar Ferrite rod.

I found this Ferrite rod http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180969160977 , but it will take some time till I get it.


Update:

I did some more tests and found that my power supply can not deliver more than 3 Amps. When I did tests with a 12 Volt battery I could light all 220 Volt CFLs and LED lamps I have reliably. The higher Wattage lamps draw a lot of Amps for a short time (some milliseconds) when they power up, then the power draw goes back to the specified value.

Windings on the transformer: 60 turns primary, 970 turns secondary, 1 : 16 ratio

So, the new Super Joule Ringer 3.0 circuit works well also with a transformer for the Super Joule Ringer 2.0.

The advantage of the new Ferrite rod transformer is first of all the rather low price for the rod (in comparisson to my big transformer core) and the simpler winding (handling of a rod is simpler than handling of my two part transformer which needs clamps and sticky tape to inhibit chatter).

Further Update:

The circuit swings at about 8,6 KHz.
« Last Edit: September 25, 2012, 06:11:15 PM by conradelektro »

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #557 on: September 26, 2012, 06:55:04 AM »
Conrad:

Nice work.

Laser:

Great job.  This appears to be a large step forward.

Bill

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #558 on: September 26, 2012, 01:18:07 PM »
Lasersaber published a new Super Joule Ringer 3.0 Video, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcFHZMhnV2g .

I tried the new circuit where the output of the lamp is connected to the collector (in contrast to a connection to the emitter as in Super Joule Ringer 2.0).

But I could not wind the new transformer because Lasersaber has not yet published specifics of his new Ferrite rod and not yet a link to a source of his new Ferrite rod.

So, I use an old transformer which I had wound for testing the Super Joule Ringer 2.0, see the attached photos and circuit.

With this old transformer I can now also light incandescent lamps (dimly) and various CFLs and LED-lamps. But here in Europe they are all designed for 220 Volt (and not for 110 Volt as in the USofA). Therefore one needs an other set of windings. With a 60 turn primary and a 970 turn secondary I need at least 13 Volt to light various lamps. Specially lamps with a high Wattage (more than 5 Watt) need the 13 Volt to turn on reliably.

Once Lasersaber publishes specifics about his new Ferrite rod, I will try to find a winding ratio with works for a 220 Volt output.

Greetings, Conrad

P.S.: I used a 2N3055 transistor and the photo shows the circuit with a 5 Watt 220 Volt LED lamp.

P.S.: Lasersaber just published his Super Joule Ringer 3.0 http://laserhacker.com/SuperJouleRinger3.html and I will try to get a similar Ferrite rod.

I found this Ferrite rod http://cgi.ebay.at/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&;;item=180969160977 , but it will take some time till I get it.


Update:

I did some more tests and found that my power supply can not deliver more than 3 Amps. When I did tests with a 12 Volt battery I could light all 220 Volt CFLs and LED lamps I have reliably. The higher Wattage lamps draw a lot of Amps for a short time (some milliseconds) when they power up, then the power draw goes back to the specified value.

Windings on the transformer: 60 turns primary, 970 turns secondary, 1 : 16 ratio

So, the new Super Joule Ringer 3.0 circuit works well also with a transformer for the Super Joule Ringer 2.0.

The advantage of the new Ferrite rod transformer is first of all the rather low price for the rod (in comparisson to my big transformer core) and the simpler winding (handling of a rod is simpler than handling of my two part transformer which needs clamps and sticky tape to inhibit chatter).

Further Update:

The circuit swings at about 8,6 KHz.

Good news thank you .. I got mine in and am winding today. thank you for posting this and sharing, this Joule ringer has been on my mind for over a year now . I am still working with the original one though . I will never give up my 1.2 volt inputs supply volts though.
And i still have my theory  as to the effect of JR1 running so long . The Delay line (Cap-coil) i think is the key .

Using air core made of diletric materials and winding layers of wire and separating them with waxpaper,aluminium foil,waxpaper then repeat windings as so on . Also this delayline should have connections to each layer of foil so as to have an extra wire.. more  on that later .

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« Last Edit: September 26, 2012, 04:00:59 PM by gadgetmall »

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #559 on: September 26, 2012, 01:49:56 PM »
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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #560 on: September 28, 2012, 06:39:56 PM »
JLN's 2Sgen "6" demonstrates a Lambda of 13.7. This is the ratio of demagnatization power to magnatization power. Lasersaber's Super JR "3" is an overunity generator of the same kind. A standard transformer uses steel laminations to regulate this unwanted side effect of voltage increase. The solid ferrite core and the single wrap 14 & 28 gauge primary and secondary makes  Lasersaber's Super JR 3 identical to one side of a "COOK BATTERY" not a transformer. JLN'S formula can help determine the "Lambda". I believe this version has a good chance to loop back to source and self sustain due to it's very low control power requirement. The power source needs to be a rechargable Ni-Cad battery. The top wire of the secondary and the wire from the transistor collector that attach to the light bulb in the schematic need to go to a capacitor and fast switching diode in series. The battery would then attach to the positive and negative poles of the battery from respective poles of the capacitor. The capacitor voltage has to be two or three volts over the battery voltage for it to work. When the battery voltage begins to climb, one needs to attach a load to avoid an explosion. A bank of LEDS would work fine. Again, Lasersaber's video hyperlink:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcFHZMhnV2g
 
« Last Edit: September 29, 2012, 04:43:27 AM by synchro1 »

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #561 on: September 28, 2012, 06:56:59 PM »
Good news thank you .. I got mine in and am winding today. thank you for posting this and sharing, this Joule ringer has been on my mind for over a year now . I am still working with the original one though . I will never give up my 1.2 volt inputs supply volts though.
And i still have my theory  as to the effect of JR1 running so long . The Delay line (Cap-coil) i think is the key .

Using air core made of diletric materials and winding layers of wire and separating them with waxpaper,aluminium foil,waxpaper then repeat windings as so on . Also this delayline should have connections to each layer of foil so as to have an extra wire.. more  on that later .

Gadget

Any updates? I have all of the necessary parts for this build....maybe this weekend!

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #562 on: September 28, 2012, 09:14:08 PM »

And i still have my theory  as to the effect of JR1 running so long . The Delay line (Cap-coil) i think is the key .

Using air core made of dielectric materials and winding layers of wire and separating them with waxpaper,aluminium foil,waxpaper then repeat windings as so on . Also this delayline should have connections to each layer of foil so as to have an extra wire.. more  on that later .

Gadget

@Gadget:

Your special air core (cap coil with waxpaper - aluminium foil - waxpaper between the windings) sounds very interesting. Please publish a circuit that also shows how to connect the aluminium foil to this "delay line".

I like air core coils because one can build them easily at home. It is always a hassle to find and to buy the right Ferrite cores. An air core also gives a much nicer sine wave type signal in comparison to a coil with a metal core. I do not mind size, bigger things are easier to build.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #563 on: September 29, 2012, 08:33:41 PM »
Hello All,

Maybe someone can help me with me replication.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7EdlzlZoJU&feature=plcp
 

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #564 on: September 29, 2012, 10:52:07 PM »
Hello All,

Maybe someone can help me with me replication.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7EdlzlZoJU&feature=plcp

Hi sprue,

Please read this post I wrote to Skywatcher, maybe it can help you. 
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7051-joule-ringer-51.html#post210112 
I am not sure: you use a neon bulb as the light bulb?  then just use a parallel variable resistor to give start current to the base of the transistor.

Gyula

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #565 on: September 29, 2012, 10:59:40 PM »
Hi sprue,

Please read this post I wrote to Skywatcher, maybe it can help you. 
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7051-joule-ringer-51.html#post210112 
I am not sure: you use a neon bulb as the light bulb?  then just use a parallel variable resistor to give start current to the base of the transistor.

Gyula

Hello,

I will try this, but Lasersaber did not need a base resistance for his crt to auto start.

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #566 on: September 30, 2012, 02:24:43 AM »



 I heard someone talking about looping back to the source. If you do this make sure you do it via a good isolation transformer and diode bridge with cap. This should work extremely well.

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #567 on: September 30, 2012, 02:59:58 AM »
Hi The basic concept of the delay line is post 550 . I would two of those e cores . But different  . I used #36 wire inside about 5000 turns and centertapped another layer about 1000 turns and put the paper foil paper and then wrapped my plastic coated bell wire the length . with 1 .2 volts feeding the 1000 turns and outside bell wire as a normal jy hook up i get about 900 volts from the inside 5000 secondary . it light led bulbs nicely and will dimly light a cfl bulb . not happy . I know i can throw  5 volts to it and go bright on the cfl .. its been running for 24 hours buzzing and lighting that  cfl  nightlight style with an 1500 farad ultracap . it started at 2.687 and is 2.508 after 24 hours . I want to kill it and see how many days it will go . In the meantime i bought one of those EXPENSIVE Ferrite rods . That thing was 29 dollars for that fat rod. I thought he said they were 2 dollars . WRONG. anyways i will have his exact stuff . i want to see a 60watt filament burn off one battery like he showed . If it does im shooting it 12 volts and sticking in a power strip . :)

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #568 on: September 30, 2012, 03:05:56 AM »
    I've replicated Lasersaber's 3.0, based on an operating 2.0 version that I had previously.  Then, I simply took the output wire that was connected to the emitter on the 2N3055 (2.0 version) and moved it to the collector.  It worked great! 

    I then ran with 6 LED bulbs in my light-box, as I had done with the 2.0.  I found that the light output was about the same for the two versions (109 Lm/W for the 3.0 versus 112 Lm/W for the older 2.0 -- at 12.8V input). 

    Next, I hooked up the output to my "Davey-bell" system and observed a LOT of electrolysis;  but no xs heat.  (I've pointed out elsewhere how I see many similarities between so-called "cold-fusion" experiments which I've done for many years and the Davey invention patented in 1944 by Peter Davey.  Both have electrodes and electrolysis; both claim "excess (xs) heat" under certain circumstances.  )

 I made a quick vid of this effort today:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DtvKnZk9iM&feature=youtu.be 

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #569 on: September 30, 2012, 04:09:21 AM »
Jouleseeker are you saying you could not get the same results with version three with the ferrite rod? If not why?

@conradelektro 
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The Schematic you got off Ls site looks wrong to me . On his ferrite rod i know there are more than twenty turns on that , there has got to be at least 400  to 600 turns on his inside coil and for sure more than 200 on the outside looking at the video and the length of these things . what do think? he said #30 . that is fine wire . also that roll of insulated wire is big and given the size twenty turns would not go an inch on that rod. I will try it buy i don't want to spend a year and half on it like i did the jr1 .