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Pirate88179

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #330 on: April 14, 2011, 02:57:31 PM »
May be it is off topic, I did some tests about the power consumption when driving a CFL by help of a fly back transformer:

Attached see a circuit which is in essence a MOSFET with a pulse width modulated signal at its gate. The MOSFET drives the primary of a fly back transformer.

By programming a TI-launch pad

http://processors.wiki.ti.com/index.php/MSP430_LaunchPad_(MSP-EXP430G2)?DCMP=launchpad&HQS=Other+OT+launchpadwiki

I can create whatever pulse signal I want.

The best result is a 300 Hz signal with a 0.9% duty cycle. At 2 Volts it lights up a 15 Watt CFL with about 3 mA.  This 6 Milliwatt operation is the lowest I could get. The CFL is nicely visible in the dark (like a night light) but does not have any use.

To get useful light I need 10.000 Hz with a duty cycle of 30%. This means 150 mA at 2 Volt, i.e. 0.3 Watt.

If one is modest, 3000 Hz with a duty cycle of 8% needs about 25 mA at 2 Volt, i.e. 50 Milliwatt, and produces a modest light which allows you to pass through a room without hitting anything.

Never mind the crude contraption, it is only to test many MOSFETs and fly back transformers. I will build a nicer lamp, but the program still needs some more work. The microprocessor needs less than a Milliwatt an the whole Launch Pad costs less than 5 Euros (including the USB-cable), so it can stay in the finished lamp.

The MOSFET used is crutial, because many MOSFETS do not operate well below 3 Volt.

The best I found: VISHAY SILICONIX - SI2377EDS-T1-GE3 - MOSFET,P KANAL,20V,4.4A,DIODE,ESD,SOT23
Farnell Order Code: 1858946  (0.48 Euro)
0.1 Ohm at 1.8 Volt
(this MOSFET is terribly small, a pain to solder and to use, P-channel, 1 = OFF, 0 = ON)

This experiment serves to show what sort of low power operation of a CFL can be done with "conventional means".

But LaserSaber's circuit and his famous transformer seem to light a CFL much more efficiently, although it seems to need quite a high Voltage (up to 80 Volt) to start it up and to work for some minutes on an electrolytic capacitor. (The initial power input might well be in the Watts.)

This experiment also shows that it is indeed necessary to build "something unconventional" to have it "ring" for some minutes with only an electrolytic capacitor.

Greetings, Conrad

Conrad:

Very nice build over there.  I have used a JT outputting about 1,000 volts to light a cfl and I still did not like the light output.  This was from an AA battery and I have no idea what the amp draw was.  I am working now with led bulbs designed to run on grid power and they are waaaay brighter than any cfl I ever did on about 350-400 volts. (Also powered by a single AA.)

Bill

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #331 on: April 14, 2011, 03:34:58 PM »
Bill:

The way to go is of course LEDs, if saving power when producing light is the objective.

But a big spiral CFL when softly glowing in the dark (with little power) is very cool and I like to use it instead of a candle, just for the effect.

By using different pulses, the light from the CFL can be from orange to white. Not useful, but nice.

I will test LEDs with my microprocessor/MOSFET combination, using an air coil. This should give a nice reading light with 100 Milliwatts. A Joule Thief would be better in the sense, that the batteries can run lower and it still works. The microprocessor stops working at 1.8 Volt, but one can keep the brightness constant over the falling Voltage (from 3 volt to 1.8 Volt when using 2 batteries). Using three batteries (4.5 down to 1.8 Volts) would allow to run them down to 0.6 Volts each.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #332 on: April 14, 2011, 04:09:23 PM »
Conrad:

I understand.  If you are interested, check out my latest video where i compare my newest JT powered twin led bulb light to that of a JT driven cfl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qb7HUuFFJnM

The shutter on my cam ramps down and it is a little hard to see the real difference but, my single led bulb (27 chip leds) is at least 2 times as much light as the cfl circuit.  Then I show my twin set-up which is way brighter still.  I will do amp draw tests as I have been asked for them but, I have been running these lights for a while now and they are still bright so , I am guessing it is not all that high.

Bill

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #333 on: April 15, 2011, 09:00:36 AM »
Conrad:

I understand.  If you are interested, check out my latest video where i compare my newest JT powered twin led bulb light to that of a JT driven cfl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qb7HUuFFJnM

Bill

A question concerning these LED bulb lights:

They are intended for 110V alternating current (in the USA)? Do you remove anything from the base of the lamp to use them with the FUJI-circuit?

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #334 on: April 15, 2011, 10:41:02 AM »
Conrad:

No.  I just hook them up the way they come from the store.

Bill

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #335 on: April 15, 2011, 05:28:08 PM »
Anybody see this video by lasersaber?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cughym4y7Ow

Is this April fools or what?

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #336 on: April 15, 2011, 05:36:15 PM »
Working A-F-P "Dr Lirpa Sloof" technology exposed!

lirpa=april

sloof=fools

nice one Laser Saber

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #337 on: April 16, 2011, 09:34:44 AM »
Hello lanenel

I think the red dot at post 5 should be at post 6 for the red wire to be counter wound to the 21 layer winding.

The schematic looks good otherwise.

:)

Hi Montec,

Thanks for the comments.

Yeah, I don't know for sure about that yet, only lasersaber can verify it beyond any doubt: that is, if he counter wound it from pin 6 to pin 5 or not. If he did, then my dot notation should be correct.

Then why I put the dot at pin 5? That's because I suppose it has a joule-thief background, and my analysis of the circuit support it.

I'd love to know why you think the dot should be at pin 6.

cheers,

lanenal

P.S.: it might not be crucial which is which, for if the circuit doesn't work this way, simply swap the two ends (pin 5&6), then you should have it right the latter way.

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« Reply #338 on: April 17, 2011, 04:39:12 PM »
That made under the scheme which is your forum has been taken, a small toy (a very good toy works) on the bifilar coil.
But I do not iron nraivtsya, I want to peredlat iron core.
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« Reply #339 on: April 18, 2011, 03:57:59 PM »
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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #340 on: April 19, 2011, 08:20:01 AM »
Believe it or not, when the media is talking about China as the world factory, I can't get a China made ferrite core that is fit for Joule Ringer as posted by lasersaber, I was told that China made ones are much inferior, they can't meet the high AL-value (nH/N2). That's so unfortunate.

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #341 on: April 19, 2011, 10:25:33 AM »
Believe it or not, when the media is talking about China as the world factory, I can't get a China made ferrite core that is fit for Joule Ringer as posted by lasersaber, I was told that China made ones are much inferior, they can't meet the high AL-value (nH/N2). That's so unfortunate.

Therefore a question: what is the original core in the fuji transformer? Is it also ferrite or something else?

Pirate88179

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #342 on: April 19, 2011, 11:33:32 AM »
Therefore a question: what is the original core in the fuji transformer? Is it also ferrite or something else?

Fuji has many different styles of transformers out there that are used but, all of the ones I am familiar with have ferrite cores.

Bill

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #343 on: April 19, 2011, 12:46:43 PM »
Fuji has many different styles of transformers out there that are used but, all of the ones I am familiar with have ferrite cores.

Bill

Thanks. I might just grab an inferior one and give it a try first. With almost half Al value, the current consumption will double...

Another question: what is the core material used in the bifiler coil? I looked into a book, and it seems even a bifiler should have an inductance, maybe around 50 uH, depending on the core material -- in fact, everything has an inductance.

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #344 on: April 19, 2011, 01:02:55 PM »
Thanks. I might just grab an inferior one and give it a try first. With almost half Al value, the current consumption will double...

Another question: what is the core material used in the bifiler coil? I looked into a book, and it seems even a bifiler should have an inductance, maybe around 50 uH, depending on the core material -- in fact, everything has an inductance.

A bifilar coil may or may not have a core at all.  It all depends upon what you are trying to do.  Bifilar just means 2 wires wound together so core material can vary or it can be an air core also.

Bill