This might be a little off topic .

In this video a dialogue box pops up a minute or so into the video
In the box it explains a little about the electronics.

Something like  alot of resonant circuits with bifilar coils.
It sounds like he is using something similar to a ringer to amplify the power to the motor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3CYFlQbtV0&feature=related


gary

This might be a little off topic .

In this video a dialogue box pops up a minute or so into the video
In the box it explains a little about the electronics.

Something like  alot of resonant circuits with bifilar coils.
It sounds like he is using something similar to a ringer to amplify the power to the motor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3CYFlQbtV0&feature=related


gary

also this one might be a little off topic but see the "Ismael Aviso antenna"  ... Tariel Kapanadze ... and this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGPeyrmlw_8

Hey Resman

Im in the process of building an electric car, a fiero, and been studying it for a couple years.

In this vid the vehicle seems to be in a very very low gear, and believe it or not, the 12v bat will drive that motor. Not to 20mph, maybe only 10mph.   I work at a corvette restoration facility, and had a chance to sit on a rolling chassis and make it go by just turning the bare axle u joint on the differential by hand. I was testing this to imagine a Warp 11   an 11in motor from Netgain driving the drive shaft by bypassing the transmission, as is being done out there already.  My fiero is getting a Warp9    9in motor.  I will be able to do bout 70mph and have tons of torque in the bottom end, as electric motors are opposite of gas engines. 

But just a bit of info for thought.  Im not saying he is not doing the power conversion that he is claiming, as in using rf equip, but always be wary. ;]

According to Tesla, an ac induction motor would be best, and since this guy is into rf, an ac motor might be better.

Mags

I know a bit about Ismael and his motor.  He's for real.  He's got some serious credentials as an engineer and Doug Konzen (well known motor builder energy researcher for many years) went with Ismael to see about selling the idea to Volvo if I recall correctly (or maybe BMW ?).  They got screwed over or at least that's the jest of what I remember about it.  Ismael is onto something with the repelling force as can be seen in some videos where a very small battery (AA I think) sends something like a 2 pound weight rocketing into the air some 30 feet or so. 
   I am not sure how this came up as it seems a bit off topic to the Joule Ringer I think so I apologize but just wanted to say I think Ismael is one of the good guys and has something real IMHO. 

Hey Resman

Im in the process of building an electric car, a fiero, and been studying it for a couple years.

In this vid the vehicle seems to be in a very very low gear, and believe it or not, the 12v bat will drive that motor. Not to 20mph, maybe only 10mph.   I work at a corvette restoration facility, and had a chance to sit on a rolling chassis and make it go by just turning the bare axle u joint on the differential by hand. I was testing this to imagine a Warp 11   an 11in motor from Netgain driving the drive shaft by bypassing the transmission, as is being done out there already.  My fiero is getting a Warp9    9in motor.  I will be able to do bout 70mph and have tons of torque in the bottom end, as electric motors are opposite of gas engines. 

But just a bit of info for thought.  Im not saying he is not doing the power conversion that he is claiming, as in using rf equip, but always be wary. ;]

According to Tesla, an ac induction motor would be best, and since this guy is into rf, an ac motor might be better.

Mags

Mags

good luck with your project.
I looked at the netgain site........interesting motor.

gary

http://www.l-3com.com/edd/products_traveling_wave_tube.htm
 These tubes work have been working for some time are in use and the working theory behind them can not be argued. Less all your cell phones and microwave ovens are a mass dillusion. How they work physically and for real in their most basic princable should be noted to scale and adjust to other levels of energy.
  Would you really pull a cold beer from an RV refrigerator which works off amonia absorption without a pump and claim it can not work without an electric pump?

Doug

The animated gif on  your link is very good........
Do you have any experience with these tubes?
Do  you know how  powerful the magnets along the tube are?

The way I see it working is ....... the electron gun  shoots out a beam of electrons........ these electrons  travel down the tube with magnets around it.......the electron beam  has to fight the flux of the magnets all the way .......this slows it down and  adds to its effective energy.
When  the  beam reaches the collector  it is transformed  back into usable energy.

Is this  how you see it working?

If this is right it may  be possible  to make something similar but without the high tech stuff........like the electron gun and the collector to turn the beam back into a form of energy we can use for everyday stuff.

While looking for a way to get the effect of LARGE toroids without actually using large toroids I came up  with what I call a candy cane coil....... I named it after a candy cane because if you wrap  a few windings  around each toroid of a string of toroids with all the wraps in the same direction the windings progress around the string of toroids like the stripes of a candy cane.

Using  a long string  of toroids on a candy cane coil  you could set up a wave structure similar to what is described in your link.....A JT could possibly be used but I would think you would want a signal generator or something for a more stable frequency.

The toroids would  look alot like the magnets in the animated gif in your link.....except they would have the windings spiraling around them .

The second  part  ........the magnetic  field could  be created with a tube, some magnets and some tape .......
If magnets were stuck to a piece of tape  all with the same poles facing the same way....and that tape wrapped around a tube......it would make  a tube with the N pole either on the inside of the tube or the outside....I doubt if it really matters

anyway ....... if the candy cane  coil is put inside the tube  wrapped with magnets ......the  magnets  will subject the toroids to a specific  flux level..... overcoming this flux should slow down the pulses traveling along the candy cane coil at some specific power level.

It will be a balancing act......... to much power and the flux will not slow down the pulses much.........to little power and it will choke the pulses off.

Others here have tried attaching magnets to toroids and some have seemed to have some success.
In my tests sticking magnets to toroids  mostly  just raised the turn on voltage of the JT

running  a toroid coil in a magnetic field should be much different than sticking a magnet  to a toroid.
Sticking a magnet to a toroid should  act kind of like cutting a gap in the toroid........ the magnetic domains saturated by the magnet are effectively gone from the toroid as far as the circuit is concerned.

I would think with this device we would not want to saturate any of the toroids with magnetic flux...... All we would want to do is line up the magnetic domains and give them a little resistance to change .

If the right balance is achieved some of the flux of the magnets should be entrained by the pulses.

I think JT type pulses would work best....a high amplitude spike would have a wider bandwidth than standard RF making the flux level of the magnets less critical.

gary



 

11volts..
3300uf cap..
flyback coil..
no bifilar..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATMDcRL3vF0

robbie

Great vid kooler!

5V (1AA in charger)
58000 micF cap
exciter charging flyback coil j.ringer
no bifilar
neon used in place of large Mohm resistor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewG-5MQI6K4

Gary
 Ive seen pictures of the candy cane.
 Your discribing the back wards wave tube. You can find data on the perticulars of that design floating around.It's used for satalite comunications it can carry serveral data streams in the form of different freq's at the same time. The fields in the coil around the conductor actually slow down the what is in the conductor but in doing so some energy in the form of magnetic feild strength is imparted to the coil from stream in the conductor.It would have to go through a second unit to increase the wave diameter using a reversal of the dirst unit. One or the other I suspect would have to be of a different length and width to get the desired results.
  I find it kind of strange how they are able to impart some of the strength of the magnetic feild into the energy stream of a week signal with a magnet to increase it at all. Im still working on a mental model in 3D. Try to take notice their use of winding directions. Im still leaning towards it needing to be incased in a copper tube with a earth ground and a antanna. Maybe a tube with speaker magnets at the ends.I like it ,its compact uses very little material.Best of all they did all the explaining and it is in use.No room for arguments.

Well you must see it different then me then. I would have made it like the gaphic first.
 Maybe with a pencil a spring and a small donut type magnet using the pencil for the coil form since it already has a conductor in it just find one thin enough or sand one down. The outer spring has to have the right pitch enough to produce little bitty ringlets of fields that reach the inside conductor so it can interact with the conductor in the center of the pencil.
Gary you might also want to tuck this file away someplace for when you need it.To build your own test rig for your own uses.
HB, MS 01-21-2011 google will return the correct response.
Also i didnt see your question before<Do  you know how  powerful the magnets along the tube are?> week ,not greater then the magnetic feild caused in the reverse action from central conductor to coil around it except when looking for the opposite effect to increase the magnetic component of the coil by robbing inertia from the beam.
 I dont do names I have people who do that for me.