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Author Topic: Joule Ringer!  (Read 792021 times)

Offline lasersaber

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Joule Ringer!
« on: December 29, 2010, 08:19:43 PM »
This is the first time I have been able to keep a Joule Thief type device running a CFL on just an electrolytic capacitor.

Video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoEXCweMxhk

Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2010, 09:20:21 PM »
bravo!  illegitimi non carborundum...

Online ramset

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2010, 02:41:43 AM »
Sir
You must have the patience of a saint,and the touch of a surgeon!
Very tricky to do ! well done thanks for sharing!

Chet

Offline happyfunball

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2010, 02:45:18 AM »
Could this not extend battery life exponentially? It's pulling a load, for God's sake.

Offline Mk1

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2010, 08:02:08 AM »
@Lasersaber

Great work again !

I can't wait to see the schematic and wonderful video's you will be making .

Mark


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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2010, 08:21:52 AM »
@lasersaber,

What are the incoming and outgoing voltages and amps. I just wanna see if I'd be able to measure them accurately with my equipment.

Offline Lakes

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2010, 11:17:57 AM »
Interesting that it works with the smaller caps, but not the SuperCap.

After the initial "power up" with the battery how long before the light goes out?

Offline lasersaber

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2010, 12:39:17 PM »
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After the initial "power up" with the battery how long before the light goes out?

I have not really tried to do a record duration. I did do a test duration run once with a fluorescent tube and my 10000uF 10 volt caps filled to 8 volts. The tube stayed lit for 48 minutes. The last 20 minutes the circuit was still ringing but the tube was lit very dimly.

Offline jeanna

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2010, 09:36:41 PM »
Wow, you are doing great work.

Is the circuit a combination of the captret circuit you have been using?
(All my stuff is in boxes. Darn! I may need to open the boxes again.)

Thank you again and again,

jeanna

Offline e2matrix

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2010, 05:13:46 AM »
Very nice !   I think this is the first joule out of the hundreds of pages of JT stuff that I could get really excited about.  It looks like you've hit a very nice resonance.   And I think electroyics have 'PFM' yet to be understood....    BTW nice pocket o-scope.  What type/brand/where can those be found?   Cheers !

Offline The Observer

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2011, 08:21:51 PM »
Laser,

You are brilliant.

I assume when you say RINGING you mean that You are Resonating the Transformer.
YES !

This works because you are using a Ferromagntic Substance that amplifies the magnetic field of a coil by 1000's of times
 
                     and

You are using Resonance.


Two USEs (Unrecognized Sources of Energy)

Because I don't have time right now, I am posting a portion of a previous post that explains this.
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3. The possible USEs that I am interested in involve these interesting phenomena...

    a. Magnetic Permeability... There is an internal magnetic moment that can be utilized in Ferromagnetic Materials.
         -A coil's magnetic field is amplified by orders of magnitude by the insertion of a Ferro Material. (ie... 100, 000 times)
           * I'm sure you know this is the result of previously randomly oriented magnetic dipoles lining up with the weak field of the coil.

              To comprehend how we tap into this energy, consider a speaker that can exchange magnets.
              The more powerful the magnet, the more sound the speaker emits, yet from the same input.
 
     b. Resonance... The phenomenon that an object will store energy vibrationally,
                               then interact with the surrounding enviroment
                               at an amplitude of vibration consistent with the energy it is storing.

         - When an energy wave is modified to a larger amplitude (without loss of duration)... it is fair to say it has been amplified.
         - When an energy wave (without losing amplitude) is extended.. it is fair to say it has amplified.

         - Two tuning forks ringing louder AND longer than one... is a clear demonstration of sound energy being amplified.
            If you prefer the Dictionary's definiton...
            5. An Intensification and Prolongation of Sound, Especially of Musical Tone, produced by Sympathetic Vibration.

4. When you combine 3a and 3b you get a Resonating Transformer. (I am not doing Ferro Resonance, just to be clear)

    a. When an audio transformer is resonated with a 1.5 V battery, you can light up a 3 V LED on the StepDown Side with ~ 4 V pulses !
        ---> this is only at 1 frequency ... Primary is 900 ohms, Secondary is 8 ohms...<---
    b. Same set up as above but.. the Primary will burn out LEDs with ~90 V pulses.
    c. Because it only happens at 1 frequency, it fair to say that the Energy Output of a Resonating Transformer is Non-Linear.

5. A Joule Thief traditionally uses the crashing magnetic field in a blocking oscillator to create a large voltage pulse.
    a. The Higher the Magnetic Permeability of the Core, the Higher the Internal Mag Field (that crashes), the More Impressive the Output (see 3a)
    b. Extraordinary Feats like lighting a 13 W CFL light bulb for the better part of a day with a SINGLE 1.5 V battery can be done.
        - There are 3 ways to do this that I have seen.
           (1) Use a large High Perm Core (torroid) with lots of turns.
           (2) Use a modified Camera Flash Circuit. .
           (3) Use the output of an Average Joule Thief to Resonate an Auto Ignition Coil. (my favorite !)

Because I have taken alot of guff over the years about these statements (been making them for years),
              I really really appreciate your experiment that shows Resonance and FerroMagnetics are very intersting indeed.

GodSpeed Laser,
                         The Observer

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2011, 02:58:54 PM »
I have now been able to make successful replications of my Joule Ringer circuit.  I reduced everything to the minimum number of parts needed.  I found out the the number 2 coil can be an air core coil.  I will post a DIY video with lots of new details and schematic later tonight after I get back from Church.

Offline The Observer

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2011, 04:40:54 PM »
Laser,

You found out that an air core will work for the second transformer ?

1. Are you resonating the Air Coil also?
2. Does it last as long as the Ferro Core Experiment?

GodSpeed,
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Offline kooler

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2011, 05:44:42 PM »
lasersaber
 is it just your output from the camera transformer going thru the aircoil and then the secondary of the aircoil back to input..

robbie

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2011, 02:55:02 AM »
kool
your feedback is coming from the neg on the secondary..
weird but kool..


robbie