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Offline gadgetmall

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #60 on: January 08, 2011, 05:08:09 PM »
@Jesus  the resistor in this circuit on the hazens coil in series with 5 germanium diodes is 7 k . all the other resistors are the same as last . a 1 k pot and the other is 22 ohms .
thanks so much .

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #61 on: January 08, 2011, 05:20:57 PM »
@gadgetmall

What does it say on the words at the secondary coil?

Jesus

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #62 on: January 08, 2011, 05:26:53 PM »
Ah. I see. You aren't concerned about input/output energy balances at all. You are simply trying to energize a CF bulb enough to glow visibly for the longest time. Well, it's very simple actually, and your circuit is converging on the correct way to do it. You use recognized principles of induction and resonance to produce voltage pulses that are high enough to energize the phosphors in the bulb to whatever brilliance you like, then you shorten those pulses to reduce the energy in them until the bulb begins to dim visibly. The phosphor will continue to glow for much longer than the applied pulse, if you give it enough voltage. You can arrive at the correct values for your components by simple calculations or by substitution of values into a sim or a real circuit, as you are doing. If you get the frequency right you won't even need to hook the bulb up with wires, it will light wirelessly. See my videos for ample proof of this.

But you will get higher voltages, shorter pulse times, and much better efficiency if you use air-core coils properly coupled and energizing pulses to the coil's primary that have as fast a rise and fall time as possible: that is, rectangular pulses. This requires careful layout and component choices because stray inductances can destroy your waveshape.
The advantage of the type of circuit you are working with here is that it is self-triggering and makes a fairly good spike on the output. There's a lot that can be done yet to optimize it though.

You are right about the relative internal resistances of the battery vs. the capacitor, of course. That is why the capacitor can produce a faster pulse and a better risetime into the primary, and it is also one reason that the capacitor in your circuit runs down quickly relative to a battery. The comparisons you are making to other circuits that run a long time on a capacitor are really not relevant. I've got an LED simply hooked up across a 5 Farad 3.5 volt cap that will stay lit for hours, so what, and a JT that I just threw together out of spare parts -- I used an unmodified miniature toroid already wound from a PC power supply -- will run for a couple of days on a dead AA battery, so what.

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #63 on: January 08, 2011, 06:02:48 PM »
@TinselKoala

I hope you have ideas on how to improve the laser saber circuit , the one the lights a Cfl on a 10 000 mf for over 30 mins .

@gadget

I got a idea , lets say we get it kicking for over 30 min like lasersaber , we could build a really small jt on a watch battery to charge the cap to 9 v or so . I believe i can do this less then 5 seconds , so the actual battery would only need to work for 4 min a day . But i am sure i have other ways of charging a secondary cap ...

I was thinking what if you put the air core coil over the fuji transformer , it should do interesting stuff it could capture the em field with out screwing with it if well placed . I was also wondering if the voltage was high enough to put a sparkgap parallel to the diodes , to act as a sort of resistor .

Mark

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I just came back from the store they did not have 10000 , pretty hard to get bummer , but got 20 of 22 000(0.022F) at 10 cent each , i know they are not good ,but maybe if i make cap bank series and parallel it might improve my chances . Plus only 2 bucks  ???



 

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #64 on: January 08, 2011, 06:36:15 PM »
Hi Mark . I have My ideas about using the circuit Ground loop made for me on my previous Heater light project . If we can get the cfl to light for 30+mins like lightsaber then this circuit alex made can be programmed to give a pulse back to the electrocaps and possible run for a year or more on an aa battery . The circuit only requires 60 microamps at 1 volt to run all those chips on that board . I do have about 20 boards he made and will gladly pass them out if i can find wher i put them .
ALSO , @TinselKoala
 there are other things at work here and this might apply to reguaging and even verify the recharge effect of a benidi . Its a signal on the plates to a battery or capacitor.
Check this out .its a repost .
a New way to charge batteries is in the works . It takes the charge time down from hours to mins using a 25 gighertz signal on the plates to accept ions easly . Check this link http://www.physorg.com/news187554124.html

As a Ham radio operator this is very interesting quote:researchers simulated the lithium-ion battery-charging process by simulating the intercalation (i.e. “insertion”) of lithium ions into the battery’s graphite anode. Although intercalation is just one part of the charging process (along with diffusion), it dominates the charging time.

In the charging process, lithium ions first diffuse within the battery’s electrolyte until they reach the graphite anode. At this interface, ions must overcome an energy barrier in order to be intercalated into the anode.

In their simulations, Hamad and his team found that an additional oscillating electric field can lower this energy barrier, enabling lithium ions to intercalate more quickly into the anode. The oscillating field also increases the diffusion rate, which helps further reduce the overall charging time, albeit to a lesser extent.

This may have somthing to do with the effect i am getting also with reguaging . there is a signal stimulating the plates..

Also the CFL lamp is bright enuff to read by and light a room and this circuit will light the cfl with one wire .I noticed that right off . Its the feedback i am interested in that is prolonging and adding to the transistor running power  is what i am inteseted in .The Modification i am doing to LIGHTSABERS CIRCUIT is simular in that i am adding power back in the circuit at some frequency thru the cfl ionized gas  and the further rectify it with a germanium diod to make a really big negitive spike  on top of a signal..

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Re: Joule Ringer!
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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #65 on: January 08, 2011, 06:37:41 PM »
@gadgetmall

What does it say on the words at the secondary coil?

Jesus
Hi it says to LEDS -- EXTRA POWER .. it could go to a bridge i suspect also . thank you Jesus .
Albert

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #66 on: January 09, 2011, 04:59:10 AM »
ok
i final got a fuji transformer that lights a cfl bright and it was the camera everyone told us not to buy..
and it will do 40 ma's with a 9 watt cfl.. and it is the AAA battery camera.. it has a ver small transformer in it..
i strip off every thing on board and breadboarded it and it work perfect..
now i can go back to working on this lasersaber thingy..
i also found a awesome transistor.. i was stripping some laptop psu's down and found it..
it is a 2sc2334-y  works good for low volt and current or high power.. its a to-220
i was running 12 volts thru it with my other device with no heatsink..

sorry if it is off topic..

robbie

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #67 on: January 09, 2011, 01:21:55 PM »
@gadgetmall

I do not understand why you say that it has no bifilar, when the toroid is based on a bifilar winding.
But here it is,

Jesus

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« Reply #68 on: January 09, 2011, 04:06:38 PM »
Thats it! I appreciate you Jesus , thanks . I meant no lasersaber bifialar(air core) when i labled it that and i know i have a weird way of labeling stuff but it was someting i could remember . .The only thing is different on your art is i use 5 germaniums but if someone wants to build it they can try as many as they like . This one has ran over 40 hours and still running a CFl light  . there is something to his discovery as adding another coil really does reduce or recycle the power needed to run it with good light  . I noticed on another one i am making using air core coils i made after it starts i can dissconnect the collector and one wire from the top germaniums bifialar connection and it still lights a neon on one battery . . I really do not undrestand that at all. .i see no way it could still oscillate without those connections unless there is some serious capacitance in the coil and the circuit board i am using .  .
Kooler glad you are in the ballgame now . I am using aaa fuji also . i just got two old aa fugi circuits in a pack of two cameras. they have the neon. but havent tore them up yet . One aaa fugi will not light the cfl and its hooked up exactly like the one above but it lights a neon .  . there must be a defect in some of the transformers or it need more primary windings . I am having a blast messing with it because i beat my old time running one on an single cell. The c battery i have is rated 2500mah and so is my aa battery so the size of the battery dosnt matter if they are rated the same . When the power goes off  i'll have good light . It goes off a lot here as i am far away from a town and there is still lots of trees hangingon wires for miles . I don't think they will ever run high speed internet here :(
Albert
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« Reply #69 on: January 09, 2011, 07:31:55 PM »
I have been trying to understand what is going on in this circuit.

There is alot I do not understand about how it works

I do have a theory about the string of leaky diodes.

In my opinion the string of diodes is just raising the inductance so the impulses can do their thing.
If I am right a LED array of the right size might work well
A small high voltage capacitor might work well too. (probably less than  .1uF )

I have 3  AA camera circuits from E Goldmine somewhere around here .
When I find them I will give this circuit a try.


gary


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« Reply #70 on: January 09, 2011, 07:44:46 PM »
I have been trying to understand what is going on in this circuit.

There is alot I do not understand about how it works

I do have a theory about the string of leaky diodes.

In my opinion the string of diodes is just raising the inductance so the impulses can do their thing.
If I am right a LED array of the right size might work well
A small high voltage capacitor might work well too. (probably less than  .1uF )

I have 3  AA camera circuits from E Goldmine somewhere around here .
When I find them I will give this circuit a try.


gary
Hey Gary i tried those and i could not get them to work off board . the transformer has only 4 pins and it used 6 other components including two inductors to make it oscillate. Best way on these i havent tried is to do it on board.
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« Reply #71 on: January 10, 2011, 01:39:29 AM »
4 CFLs + 80 LEDs running on one 32000uF 20V Capacitor.  Runtime is just over 5 minutes on one capacitor.  I have now learned how to use multiple bifilar coils to my advantage in this circuit.  It may be possiple to use something other than bifilar coils but I have found them to work best for me so far.  I will post a video soon.


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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #72 on: January 10, 2011, 01:45:14 AM »
FANTASTIC............shylo

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« Reply #73 on: January 10, 2011, 03:37:30 AM »
No way . Could you teach us here how to wind a good coil Please !.We see you improving your circuit and we are struggling to get just one going:)

Albert

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #74 on: January 10, 2011, 04:11:46 AM »
@Mk1: Yep, use air core coils and try for higher voltages, that will help. Also even at these "low" frequencies, improving pulse rise and fall times will help efficiencies a lot. This means cleaning up layouts and paying attention to stray inductances, as well as minimizing the inductances of the operating coils.

@gadgetmall: one of the things about true bifilars that isn't always appreciated is that they have much higher self-capacitance than a normally wound coil with the same wire. You can do lots of interesting things with resonating air core bifilar coils.
Thanks for the battery charging link...good stuff....

@lasersaber: nice work !! now if you can just do it wirelessly....   ;)


 

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