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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #570 on: September 30, 2012, 05:10:50 AM »
@Gadgetmall,
                      Lasersaber's Super JT 3 has 200 turns of 28 gauge magnet wire for the single wrap primary, wound directly over the ferrite rod, covered by 20 turns of 14 gauge household wire wound in the same direction.
 

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« Reply #571 on: September 30, 2012, 09:17:15 AM »
Jouleseeker are you saying you could not get the same results with version three with the ferrite rod? If not why?


I didn't say that, please note what I said:
 
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  I then ran with 6 LED bulbs in my light-box, as I had done with the 2.0.  I found that the light output was about the same for the two versions (109 Lm/W for the 3.0 versus 112 Lm/W for the older 2.0 -- at 12.8V input).

So, about the same results.  Both my version 2 and version 3 use three ferrite-rods inserted axially in the air-core xformer seen in the video.  I discussed the version 2 with ferrite rods months ago; it was an idea back then to insert one, two and then three ferrite rods into the air core xformer of the joule-ringer 2.0.  See for example this vid I posted back in June:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=ZaNt74D4Ee8

What surprises me is the large amount of electrolysis occurring after about 15 seconds of running, as shown in the video.  Still puzzling over that.  The waveform from my version 3 output as seen on my oscilloscope is attached.

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« Reply #572 on: September 30, 2012, 03:05:43 PM »


 What happens to that wave form if you put a smoothing cap in there? Will it clean that signal up and make it less dirty?

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« Reply #572 on: September 30, 2012, 03:05:43 PM »
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« Reply #573 on: September 30, 2012, 06:02:48 PM »
@Gadgetmall,
                      Lasersaber's Super JT 3 has 200 turns of 28 gauge magnet wire for the single wrap primary, wound directly over the ferrite rod, covered by 20 turns of 14 gauge household wire wound in the same direction.
 
Ahh thank you . that explains it .  BTW that ebay seller is getting greedy ans the are over 31 dollars now . you can save a heck of a lot of money buying it from his site directly @ http://www.rgb52.com/8-by-5-8-625-ferrite-rod-good-for-hf-balun-011.htm   they are 16 dollars there today


Yes Jouleseeker i know you didn't exactly that . I can do the same thing with one cell. I was wondering after your replication did you get the results as Ls did. thats all .  .
« Last Edit: September 30, 2012, 08:39:53 PM by gadgetmall »

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« Reply #574 on: September 30, 2012, 08:29:35 PM »
   JouleSeeker:
   Thanks for the explanation. It looks like your circuit is working well whether the  lamp is connected to the transistor control, or the emitter.  So, the bigger ferrite rod does make a difference, as compared to the air core coils without the ferrite.

   I made a smaller version of the 3.0.  I don't have a big ferrite rod, but I do have a 3 inch one that came out of a older am/fm radio.  So, I used it, and wound a 20 turn primary, and about 200 turn secondary, directly over this ferrite rod.  I can't find the 2n3055 here at the Shack, so I used what I had on hand, a TIP 31, which is actually a TJE 3055.  Anyways, it did not work, at all. So, I tried the small transistors that I use on my Exciters, and did get it to work lighting any Cfl, even the 65 watt ones, 25watt, 15watt, etz...  BUT, not brightly, and not as bright as the Exciters will output wirelessly using the same 6 to 10v input.
  Although this circuit will light better on 12v, but the transistors get hot.
  So, I'm still working on it, in the meantime, here's a couple of pictures. The first pic is the same coil running as an Exciter.
  When I get this further along I'll make a short video, as It's pretty impressive to see this small a coil lighting bigger 65watt Cfls.
          NickZ

« Last Edit: October 01, 2012, 12:36:07 AM by NickZ »

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« Reply #575 on: September 30, 2012, 09:54:58 PM »

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« Reply #576 on: October 01, 2012, 04:19:42 AM »
Here is one of two  E=core transformers on 2.5 volts . http://youtu.be/ogTlIlkzYaA

I am Doing a Drain test on an ultracap . so far 38 hours lights a cfl dim but current drain is little . It is hooked up like a JT so it is not a joule ringer .

about 5000 winds #36 and another 2000 winds same direction and another 30 turns bell wire on the outside . I am using the 2000 and the 30 for the jt with a 2n3055 . the 5000 winds will bite hard built the low frequency i have it running faintly lights a clf . it will run an led bulb bright at 1.5 volts . I will make a video on that later .

Waiting for my golden rods that cost a fortune (credit) :)

Thanks for the links Gyula !! I might get some if some one else tried it first . I want exactly what LS used because the ferrite also have permeability ratings .. Different core might be the difference between a good ferrite ring and a metglas one . big difference//possibly .

I want to see a filament light up with a 1.2 volt battery like he did . if it will do that i am looping it .

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« Reply #577 on: October 01, 2012, 01:12:46 PM »
Good work, NickZ and others, too!


 What happens to that wave form if you put a smoothing cap in there? Will it clean that signal up and make it less dirty?

Here you go:

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« Reply #578 on: October 01, 2012, 02:28:58 PM »
 Ahh that is on the output? Strange how the pulse is still there in the middle of the waves. My thinking was to put the cap on the output to smooth the output wave and make it look more like a sine wave.

 Second question what does it do to the load now with the cap there?

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« Reply #579 on: October 03, 2012, 03:11:22 AM »
Hi . Well While i am waiting for my golden rods i  do have a 6 inch long rod about 3/8 diameter  .
Couldn't resist .
IT WORKS ! ! Lights that 60 watt Filament right up on 12 volts but the 2n3055 gets smoking hot soooo... it does work but eats amps .Draws almost 3.4 AMPS  and the 60 watt bulb is not fully lit  .also tried a microwave oven bulb and it is still not fully lit . if you disconnect the bulb the coils are open so the circuit shuts off .This needs another transformer in series . i will try tomorrow .
That is a hell of a lot for a battery pack. I think it needs more than 200 windings soooo will try 400 to 600 and see if the same light lights but drops those amps and cools down. I also tried the collector and emitter reverse . maybe just a bit less like 3.3 amps draw .. It will not light a cfl . It will light led bulbs so the current is there but the high volts to light cfls is not. It also will not light an unmodified one either .One mod i tried to reduce the  base voltage and current was put a pot between the base and coil . It Smoked it in a flat second and burnt out like i plugged  it in a wall outlet . It needs more turns either  on the primary or the secondary to cool this sucker down running Incandescent bulbs . The lowest i could make a  filament glow  was 3.5 volts at 1.1 amps ..about 10 mins of testing and My Hi amp 13.5 volts battery pack needs recharging again .
I recommend a fan cooled heat sink for this circuits transistor and a car battery with this one .

Very nice none the less . thanks lasersaber for your sharing this cool circuit . 
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« Reply #580 on: October 03, 2012, 06:54:52 AM »
 I added another layer of 28 gauge wire on top of the first layer of the secondary windings,  of the small 3 inch ferrite rod core coil. It's the same coil as is pictured a couple of posts back. I replaced the small transistor with the MJE 3055, again, to have another go at it, as I have three of those and they all tested fine.
   At first nothing, zilch,  so I kept tinkering as this circuit does need to be kick started.  When I got it going it lit the 65 watt CFL bulb, still dimly. On 12volts the transistor gets real hot in just seconds...  So, I added a diode or two off of the base rail, now the circuits flashes very brightly, the heat on the transistor is gone, at least for now.
BUT,  It gave me such a shock that I almost threw the diode across the room from the zap it gave me. So, there's hope.  I'm still working on it...

   


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« Reply #581 on: October 03, 2012, 12:43:03 PM »
Thanks Nickz  . there needs to be a higher resistance in there i will try some microwave diodes on that base .

here is what i have so far . amp guzzler thought still and i can smell the transistor cooking ,
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http://youtu.be/qm8O1hMXpRs

Last pic is one of lasersabers golden rods . two cost me dearly nearly 60 bucks . don;t waste your money buy the 10mm X200mm for a few bucks.

My radio rod is 6 inches and it made no difference at all with these new rods.
 
« Last Edit: October 04, 2012, 12:16:42 AM by gadgetmall »

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« Reply #582 on: October 03, 2012, 06:59:06 PM »
Any heatsink is better than none! You can boil water with a 2n3055 and it will still work, but you can damage them from heat if they are just naked like that and you get into higher power levels.
Just drill some holes in a bit of aluminum or iron plate and screw the transistor down, with a little silicone grease. Just remember the collector is the case so your heatsink will be too. You can insulate it but why bother, if the single transistor is the only thing on it.

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« Reply #583 on: October 03, 2012, 09:54:34 PM »
Lighting NE-2 with 1.2 volts input, using a "slight modification" to Lasersaber's jt3: the addition of the diode allows the oscillations to start and make spikes high enough to light up the NE-2. It blows LEDs easily.

ETA: Works well with 2n3055 too, probably brighter NE-2 but uses more current too. Certainly louder "hum".



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« Reply #584 on: October 03, 2012, 11:55:04 PM »
Nice Going TK . that is sweet ..Current draw?  Hums huh? the Joule rattler :} I like that . Thank you for that circuit also .

Laser sabers won't light a cfl but it lights led bulbs ok which is good and it lights up 60watt incandescent which is cool  but no hv . However it is enough to kill you running on 14.5 volts soo . It's fun. thanks  for the heat sink thing . i some big ones around here some where but sucking my battery's dry in minutes is not something i like doing because the normally last months .



@Gadgetmall,
                      Lasersaber's Super JT 3 has 200 turns of 28 gauge magnet wire for the single wrap primary, wound directly over the ferrite rod, covered by 20 turns of 14 gauge household wire wound in the same direction.
 
Thanks
Yea thats what he said . In no way is the circuit even close to ou .I have all the exact parts in to day and that rod wound 200 turns of #24 leaves 2 1/2 inches uncovered so i  left 1 1/4 inches on either side and would the #14 20 times . It lights the exact same as my 6 inch rod nearly identical massive current draw ..so . I am Disappointed . I don't see any difference . i counted the windings 200 #24  / and twenty #14 and it lit up the bulb but the transistor still gets so hot you can't touch it . I also cannot light the filament up with a 1.5 volt battery as he did in the  video . Nor can i swap emitter and collector like i can with the other radio rod :  So i unwound it and this time i used # 20 wire all the way from end to end again and it ended up being 350 turns end to end using bigger wire that 24 , So if he used # 24 in the video as he said it will take quite a bit more turns than 200 to go end to end .With 200 turns of #24 wire i have over one inch on each end not covered in wire . So 350 turns #20 and 30 turns of house wire . I could go 50 turns but ran out .i used 4 1/2 feet for 30 turns . .
Results . Just a bit brighter but the transistor still sucks 3.2 amps and gets very hot . I tried a ceramic resistor on the base  and you can roast a weenie near it . Transistor still hot . Soo . I don't know what else to do to it right now .
 I might try 4 layers of #20 on the inside and 100 turns of house wire on the outside of the next rod and see what that does,... If that don't work like i want it to i will wind 2000 turns on the inside and experiment with different wires on the outside . They are easy to wind and unwind .

Goal here is get the input volts and current way down like 1.2 volts //////////////// I might try a big Darlington on it before i do any more mods also . If it is any different that what i had i will post it in a vid.

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