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Offline minoly

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #45 on: January 06, 2011, 05:49:14 PM »
Is anyone popping these values into "Spice"?

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/LTspice/

it would sure be nice to get some values on some of these coils & CFL's.

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #46 on: January 06, 2011, 09:32:30 PM »
Spice doesn't recognize Radiant Energy or OU its a closed mathematics system. If you want to do some math calculate the joules required to run a CFL for one second. Now work out the joules in the power cap (its about 3 joules) and multiply the 15 mins you will see its finding some 20,000 joules from "somewhere"

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #47 on: January 07, 2011, 12:48:35 AM »
Hi Guys . This is a very interesting project . I posted in the wrong thread my replication and additions to lightsabers joule ringer . I cannot make it ring but it will reguage and keep the battery and cap the same volts for over 16 hours . I see the effect and i am waiting for the correct caps . Somthing to note is that supercaps and ultra boost caps actually run down faster with this circuit than a rechargable battery . max time i could get out og a 650 farad 2.7 volt ultra cap with a 3500AMP reserve was 30 minuits :(
a C cell ni-mh battery went 16 hours and had no drop in voltage before and after standing volts . WOW ! so here is the link  . I am fusionchip on EGforum
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http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg269827#msg269827

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« Reply #47 on: January 07, 2011, 12:48:35 AM »
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Offline minoly

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #48 on: January 07, 2011, 04:41:35 AM »
Spice doesn't recognize Radiant Energy or OU its a closed mathematics system. If you want to do some math calculate the joules required to run a CFL for one second. Now work out the joules in the power cap (its about 3 joules) and multiply the 15 mins you will see its finding some 20,000 joules from "somewhere"

Isn't this a type of RLC? even if spice does not recognize OU, it can still figure out the necessary values to get things to balance out (in a near ballpark), that is except for that CFL :-)
IF LS or anyone else that is getting positive results could share the H values, that would be a start.
We've seen the Tesla Switch in spice, the SSG, and several others. It helps, only wish we new how to use it... perhaps this is a calling.

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #49 on: January 07, 2011, 07:20:54 PM »
Happy new year to the community!!!

@lasersaber

My question is: How many bifilar turns the coil has?
I ask that because if you said it on your videos I could not catch it.

Thank you in advance.

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #50 on: January 07, 2011, 08:20:43 PM »
Happy new year to the community!!!

@lasersaber

My question is: How many bifilar turns the coil has?
I ask that because if you said it on your videos I could not catch it.

Thank you in advance.

Hi Jesus

Laser didn't say , i wish he did . But my bet is that he has not found his best coil yet .  But what fun would that be , we will have to do it like in the old days in the JT tread, trail and error . Or evolution .

I still have hope this old site is still alive with good experimenter , well the sky seems the limit now ...

Mark
« Last Edit: January 07, 2011, 09:30:50 PM by Mk1 »

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« Reply #51 on: January 08, 2011, 12:23:10 AM »
@mk1

You are the master on that part.  The best coil maker a few years back.
At least there are still good experimenters to get the job done!

Jesus

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« Reply #51 on: January 08, 2011, 12:23:10 AM »
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« Reply #52 on: January 08, 2011, 01:34:55 AM »
@mk1

You are the master on that part.  The best coil maker a few years back.
At least there are still good experimenters to get the job done!

Jesus

I agree and ill help out soon too.

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« Reply #53 on: January 08, 2011, 02:47:56 AM »
@Jesus

I would not go that far but thanks , my luck was that a wise man told me at a young age ...

 " No one knows the about coil anymore , that is a shame you can do magic with them ... "

I am still learning  :)

Mark


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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #54 on: January 08, 2011, 05:14:06 AM »
Hi Guys . Jesus i have another schematic that eliminates the bifailar coil i would love for you to fix it Please . I.ll upload shortly .
I agree also that Mark is the king of coils ;) for real .
here is a scope shot on my hazens coil lightsaber Jringer version 4 with no bifialar.its been running for over 40 hours lighting a cfl and led off the secondary . on a rechargable c cell . can someone decipher what i am seeing here .Looks like a large negitive spike(reguage pulse) on the bottom going back to the emmiter and battery . Top wave is checked  where collector meets the cathode of the first germanium in a chain of 5 and one 220 ohn resistor  . then bottom wave is checked at the reverse germanium where it connects to pot which is the chain of components folllow . the 1.0mfd cap is not a  polorized cap . .
Jesus here is my mess can you fix it  :) just eliminate the bifialar if you could please . You do so neat work .
Gadget :)

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #55 on: January 08, 2011, 02:53:22 PM »
Gadget, how long will it last without the battery?  Just off a quick charge?

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #56 on: January 08, 2011, 02:53:36 PM »
Guys we are here to succeed.

@stprue, @mk1 and @gadgetmall also all the others that want to get in.

@gadgetmall I will mix the other schematic with the new one.

Jesus

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #57 on: January 08, 2011, 04:17:26 PM »
Hi Guys . This is a very interesting project . I posted in the wrong thread my replication and additions to lightsabers joule ringer . I cannot make it ring but it will reguage and keep the battery and cap the same volts for over 16 hours . I see the effect and i am waiting for the correct caps . Somthing to note is that supercaps and ultra boost caps actually run down faster with this circuit than a rechargable battery . max time i could get out og a 650 farad 2.7 volt ultra cap with a 3500AMP reserve was 30 minuits :(
a C cell ni-mh battery went 16 hours and had no drop in voltage before and after standing volts . WOW ! so here is the link  . I am fusionchip on EGforum
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http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6123.msg269827#msg269827

I am not sure why you are surprised at the performance difference between the battery and the capacitor.

The total energy in a typical rechargeable C cell can be as much as (8000 mA-H)(1.25 volts)(60)(60) which is 36,000 Joules of energy, most of which will be delivered at 1.25 volts... the voltage won't drop in a modern battery until it's nearly discharged.

A 650 Farad capacitor charged to 2.7 volts contains about 4750 Joules -- but you can't use all that to power your Joule Thief because the voltage starts dropping right away when you use it....and the JT shuts off at some threshold voltage, say 0.7 volts. So you can only IN THE BEST CASE use something like 4000 Joules or less of the capacitor's total energy before the voltage drops to the point where the JT circuit shuts off.

In addition, since your "regauging" LOL spikes far exceed the voltage rating of the capacitor, you are likely damaging it by feeding them back into the cap. Many modern capacitors can "self-heal" to a certain extent so a few radical low energy overvoltages won't kill them. But that voltage rating on the cap should be respected.... for correct operation you should NEVER feed the capacitor a signal with more p-p voltage than the cap is rated for.

Batteries you can low-energy spike charge all day long and it will take a while before you damage them significantly.

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« Reply #58 on: January 08, 2011, 04:44:19 PM »
I am not sure why you are surprised at the performance difference between the battery and the capacitor.

The total energy in a typical rechargeable C cell can be as much as (8000 mA-H)(1.25 volts)(60)(60) which is 36,000 Joules of energy, most of which will be delivered at 1.25 volts... the voltage won't drop in a modern battery until it's nearly discharged.

A 650 Farad capacitor charged to 2.7 volts contains about 4750 Joules -- but you can't use all that to power your Joule Thief because the voltage starts dropping right away when you use it....and the JT shuts off at some threshold voltage, say 0.7 volts. So you can only IN THE BEST CASE use something like 4000 Joules or less of the capacitor's total energy before the voltage drops to the point where the JT circuit shuts off.

In addition, since your "regauging" LOL spikes far exceed the voltage rating of the capacitor, you are likely damaging it by feeding them back into the cap. Many modern capacitors can "self-heal" to a certain extent so a few radical low energy overvoltages won't kill them. But that voltage rating on the cap should be respected.... for correct operation you should NEVER feed the capacitor a signal with more p-p voltage than the cap is rated for.

Batteries you can low-energy spike charge all day long and it will take a while before you damage them significantly.
The "Surprize is it dont like super Capacitors or ultracapacitors . With a 650 farad  2.7 volts i have circuits like this that will run for days but on this circuit it will die within 30 minuits .I am not going to get into andiscussion on ultra caps every again they can and do hold high amperage and release it slowly .The reason they will not work on this circuit is because there internal resistance is very low,close to a Short  where as  certain electrolytic capacitors and my ni mh batteries are high resistance. Also The circuit is a variant of Lasersabers who can run his circuit practaly indefinatly off just a 10000uf capacitor .We dont care about "damage"we care about running on less than a milliamp  and yes without any feed back others have called reguaging so i will also it wont last long . ANd batteries can take low or high energy spikes for years beyond there normal life. In fact every battery i have ever used was conditioned to take those spikes from bedini  who know the reguaging effect better than anyone .This includes Throw away alkaline.
IF you did any experiment with a fuji you know that the most you can light a cfl with an aa battery maximium time was 18 to 24 hours . well this circuit goes far and beyound that . THe one  using hazens coil is now going on 39 hours and the battery is still 1.2 volts standing .The circuit is in test now but the last test i did with lasersabers coil plus hazens  was still oscillating when the cfl stopped lighting . IF some one replicates it would be nice to see how long 100's of leds instead of cfl to see if any energy is being recycled .

Stpru i am waiting for the right caps so i have nocapacitor to ring it with . this is why i am just keeping busy untile parts arrive .
@Jesus  Thanks the last circuit is still running a cfl brightley for 39+ hours on one cell

Albert

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Re: Joule Ringer!
« Reply #59 on: January 08, 2011, 05:01:37 PM »
@gadgetmall

The resistor that is at the top of the IN60 diodes reads 1kohm but on the explanation you wrote 220ohm.
Which one you want as the label of that resistor?
The other question is: What does it say on the words at the secondary coil?

Jesus

 

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