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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: The paradox of overunity
« Reply #120 on: December 31, 2010, 09:28:18 PM »
You're characterizing yourself. How long is your incoherent rant going to continue?
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Re: The paradox of overunity
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Re: The paradox of overunity
« Reply #122 on: December 31, 2010, 09:31:13 PM »
You're characterizing yourself. How long is your incoherent rant going to continue?

Hehe.. When you give a proof of overunity.. running it self for some months.. 
Even as "educated" as you think you are?

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Re: The paradox of overunity
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Re: The paradox of overunity
« Reply #124 on: December 31, 2010, 09:41:41 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE

that's omni... behind the counter.

Is it you that learned omni a new word today? "SPAM"??
They haven't learned it at kindergarden yet...

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Re: The paradox of overunity
« Reply #125 on: December 31, 2010, 10:25:38 PM »
It's good that it is not any possibility of overunity.
There's only COP > 1.

Those of you that is lesser minded may believe so, explaining yourself with fancy formulas, being well formulated and even makes a "believable" demo. But you'll never proove it. Just words. Always words.. Time will "kill" you in any test.

There will always be another energy added to a selfrunning device.


I assure You that above is completely right!:-] It exists nothing as we say: Free Energy. What pushes us through time and space and bounds with all Universe, is time exactly saying. All You have to do is:1. Time is an absolute value-it exists independent whatsover we do, we can not change its direction or catch, but 2. when we know p.1 we can only to find a method to jump on this stream to make us flow through time and space-with overlight speed.   Sorry to say, but cos of strategic reasons i can not explain You details.  Have You ever heard my Son about journeys in time?:-]      I can only remind You, that Nature is best builder. What we can only do is, to see how it builds things allround us and try to make also. Or You think that eat from super market, fuel and other sc high technologies are above Nature?:-)                                               Go to forest and try to catch qualm with Nature.         

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Re: The paradox of overunity
« Reply #126 on: January 22, 2011, 01:19:24 AM »
Well this thread has got longer since I last visited it...

We can hereby definitely confirm that over unity are impossible. There is no reason why nature should do this. There has never been prooved, not by anyone, that over unity exists. Those who claims so, have done some miscalculations after having overlooked important details.

Omnibus' proof are a so called SMOT.
A SMOT is a ramp with a given incline, with a bar magnet on each side which is toed in on the top. A steel ball are by hand put at the bottom of the ramp. When the ball are released, it rolls upwards towards the strongest magnetic field. At the end, the ramp are terminated, and the ball falls down back to the same level as it started.

Some people do not understand how the ball can escape the magnetic field which pulled it upwards in the first place. Well, the reason are simple:
The incline reduces the required force to pull the ball away from gravity. The energy are conserved by spending more time to let the ball roll up the ramp.
At the terminated end, the ball face a vertical decline, and the magnetic force are not strong enough to keep the ball from falling.

This is like pusing a 1 ton car up a sligh hill, versus pushing the car vertically stright up.

Omnibus' point is that the steel ball are lifted to a given hight, by the magnets alone, and therfor it gains a given potential energy from nowhere.

This is just partially true. The next part will make his SMOT trivial:
When the hand are moving the steel ball towards the ramp (With the magnets), the ball will be repelled away from the magnets until it is close enough to get "sucked" into the magnetic attraction at the very bottom of the ramp. This proof of repelling forces in front of a SMOT, is tested, made video of, and posted on overunity.com. This repelling force, will over that distance the hand are moving the steel ball towards the SMOT ramp, take energy.
That taken energy is what Omnibus have overlooked, and that energy are also the reason why a SMOT cannot be over unity, and cannot be looped into a continous over unity device.

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Re: The paradox of overunity
« Reply #127 on: May 11, 2011, 08:47:38 PM »
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Re: The paradox of overunity
« Reply #128 on: May 11, 2011, 09:48:06 PM »
At a magnetic field of 1,016 Tesla, virtual particles are sucked into our existence and bound in the field so they are forced to become real particles.

Magnastars have magnetic field strengths of up to 1,011 Tesla, just short of the required field strength but may fluctuate.

the large question is, where do these virtual particles come from? I'll let you decide.

it is also a reason why the Universe is expanding.

also, at around 1,500 to 2,000 Tesla magnetic field strength these virtual particles might flow into existence like a river! strictly hypothetical though.

Jerry 8)

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Re: The paradox of overunity
« Reply #129 on: May 12, 2011, 12:18:26 AM »
At a magnetic field of 1,016 Tesla, virtual particles are sucked into our existence and bound in the field so they are forced to become real particles.

Magnastars have magnetic field strengths of up to 1,011 Tesla, just short of the required field strength but may fluctuate.

the large question is, where do these virtual particles come from? I'll let you decide.

it is also a reason why the Universe is expanding.

also, at around 1,500 to 2,000 Tesla magnetic field strength these virtual particles might flow into existence like a river! strictly hypothetical though.

Jerry 8)
I have a theory about the expansion of the universe:
Any hot object expands its surroundings. Take a dynamite. Sure it will expand instantly when detonating. The same applies for the universe. As long there active hot stars, the universe will expand due to the heat. Gravity are weaker than the expansion made by the heat. Therfor the universe expands - even accelerate. It will expand untill there is a few stars left. Then the collaps will start.
Then guess what; another big bang?
 :)

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Re: The paradox of overunity
« Reply #130 on: May 12, 2011, 12:55:54 AM »
Just think, at those field strengths pulling virtual particles into reality and then becoming real particles, you would have all the infinite particles required to have infinite fuel.

also, getting back to the heat expansion of the universe, yes I believe you are correct.

but, both the infinite Universe and also the Big bang 'both' are supported by the C.M.B or cosmic back ground radiation theory, I just believe in the infinite Universe theory. recycle, recycle, recycle infinitely.

However I do believe the Universe is both infinite and expanding in all directions infinitely in infinite space. there are many reasons or factors that contribute to the expansion of the Universe. one being bound virtual particles, if a heavenly body has the required field strength to convert the virtual particle to a real particle. This is true Over-unity because the power source is making matter from the vacuum of space but you'll need a minimum of 1,016 Tesla to do it. the virtual particle has to be captured in this field strength so it can not pop back out of existence.

once the virtual particle is bound for a certain amount of time it will convert to a real particle and will stay in this existence.

see, Science and or Physics don't like to deal with infinity in math because it can not be proven, so they deal with a known number, what is known and not what they can not see or shall never see.

Jerry 8)
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Re: The paradox of overunity
« Reply #131 on: May 12, 2011, 02:24:47 AM »
We cannot get more energy output from isolated or closed systems than input.

But we can do so from open systems (where both mass and energy pass through the system boundaries).

This is because external energy from the environment is available to open systems.

If this were not the case, life itself would not be possible. All forms of life are open systems...converting external resources.

Short-term localised decreases in entrophy happen simply by virtue of being alive (though there are never overall decreases in net entrophy).

I see myself as part of a community dedicated to sharing information about open system energy ideas, against the backdrop of an energy crisis so serious for future generations I cannot fully grasp the seriousness of it.

It does not matter if we are in error. Better to share information, consider it more fully, and improve our knowledge as we go along.

The "paradox of overunity" is this.

Many scientists best equipped to solve the energy crisis are most assured of what they are most ignorant. They are terrified of seeming foolish, and never venture to add fresh thinking.

Many live in fear of ridicule and accordingly are without value when it comes to contributing innovative ideas.

On the other hand, many of the most inventive amongst us lack scientific training, and though intrepid, relentless  and utterly fearless, lack the background to check the maths and physics fully before publishing ideas.

Far better that the self taught persevere in contributing, than that the highly trained remain silent in fear of ridicule.

This is the real paradox of overunity. That those who can...do not, and that those who cannot...do.

Together....yes we can.

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Re: The paradox of overunity
« Reply #132 on: May 12, 2011, 03:58:30 AM »
It is best to leave out your equation of a God in your equations. God theory will only mess it or you up. stick to your known logic so you are not listed as a crackpot. God has not been proven by Science and or Physics so don't use unproved data to explain a theory.

otherwise, you will remain a crackpot not just in my eye but in the mainstream.

but hey! if you can deal with that then please indulge.

besides, your God would not lift a finger for anyone in fear that he/she might get replaced! you are on your own. this is pure common sense, deal with it.

Jerry 8)

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Re: The paradox of overunity
« Reply #133 on: May 12, 2011, 05:56:20 AM »
We cannot get more energy output from isolated or closed systems than input.

But we can do so from open systems (where both mass and energy pass through the system boundaries).

This is because external energy from the environment is available to open systems.

If this were not the case, life itself would not be possible. All forms of life are open systems...converting external resources.

Short-term localised decreases in entrophy happen simply by virtue of being alive (though there are never overall decreases in net entrophy).

I see myself as part of a community dedicated to sharing information about open system energy ideas, against the backdrop of an energy crisis so serious for future generations I cannot fully grasp the seriousness of it.

It does not matter if we are in error. Better to share information, consider it more fully, and improve our knowledge as we go along.

The "paradox of overunity" is this.

Many scientists best equipped to solve the energy crisis are most assured of what they are most ignorant. They are terrified of seeming foolish, and never venture to add fresh thinking.

Many live in fear of ridicule and accordingly are without value when it comes to contributing innovative ideas.

On the other hand, many of the most inventive amongst us lack scientific training, and though intrepid, relentless  and utterly fearless, lack the background to check the maths and physics fully before publishing ideas.

Far better that the self taught persevere in contributing, than that the highly trained remain silent in fear of ridicule.

This is the real paradox of overunity. That those who can...do not, and that those who cannot...do.

Together....yes we can.

this is called the war on energy, the first one to have it will rule the world, so far, there is no one energy ruler except that of nuclear as the most efficient of energy production per ratio. period! not even oil can contend with nuclear efficiency let alone anything on this site.

defending the Universe is not easy at all.
Jerry

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Re: The paradox of overunity
« Reply #134 on: May 12, 2011, 06:10:52 AM »
We cannot get more energy output from isolated or closed systems than input.

But we can do so from open systems (where both mass and energy pass through the system boundaries).

This is because external energy from the environment is available to open systems.

If this were not the case, life itself would not be possible. All forms of life are open systems...converting external resources.

Short-term localised decreases in entrophy happen simply by virtue of being alive (though there are never overall decreases in net entrophy).

I see myself as part of a community dedicated to sharing information about open system energy ideas, against the backdrop of an energy crisis so serious for future generations I cannot fully grasp the seriousness of it.

It does not matter if we are in error. Better to share information, consider it more fully, and improve our knowledge as we go along.

The "paradox of overunity" is this.

Many scientists best equipped to solve the energy crisis are most assured of what they are most ignorant. They are terrified of seeming foolish, and never venture to add fresh thinking.

Many live in fear of ridicule and accordingly are without value when it comes to contributing innovative ideas.

On the other hand, many of the most inventive amongst us lack scientific training, and though intrepid, relentless  and utterly fearless, lack the background to check the maths and physics fully before publishing ideas.

Far better that the self taught persevere in contributing, than that the highly trained remain silent in fear of ridicule.

This is the real paradox of overunity. That those who can...do not, and that those who cannot...do.

Together....yes we can.

Real particles in this existence are closed particles, virtual particles are not, they are open to influence at a certain magnetic power ratio. virtual particles pop in and pop out of existence but if you can make them stay and become real then we are talking.

Jerry 8)

 

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