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The paradox of overunity
« on: December 24, 2010, 03:32:05 PM »

Hi, all.

Below I have quoted myself from a post in the "Mechanics" section. However, what conserns overunity is MORE energy out than in - which will face a fatal/impossible paradox. A selfrunning device should therfor not be overunity, but a device which harness the potential radiant energy in mass - by partially convert mass into work. Remember Einsteins E=mc^2. 1 gram mass have the potential to power 1500 average households with energy for one year. This may appear to be overunity, but the case is that we can convert mass into energy. This should be the next generation powersource. I have seen the recent Christmas-HHO video. If this is the real deal, this machine converts mass into energy, and not a device which give more energy than it takes. If that is true, and if all the exhaust (water) are recycled, it will take probably millions of years to convert 1 litre of water into energy for this machine.

Anyway, below is my thoughts about overunity, and why overunity are impossible.
 
Hi all,

I have been thinking of what would happen if we one day could realize overunity. I think this event will face a fatal paradox. The biggest problem is radiant feedback, and mass-feedback. Like travelling back in time, this event will also face the same fatal paradox.

The paradox can be explained in two ways.
1. The mad scientist paradox. The scientist successully travels 30 seconds back in time. In his pocket he have a gun. He decide to kill himself while looking at himself loading the gun 30 seconds earlier. How could he possibly be able to travel back in time if he was dead, and how could he possibly be dead if he was able to travel back in time?

2. Radiation will follow him back in time, and multiply - not only his mass will be multiplied, but the radiation which followed him too. This will create a feedback which will increase extremely fast, and finally destroy itself.

So, if we manage to create overunity, there must be added some mass or energy, from the future, and into the system that will increase forever. Mass and energy are the same thing, but in different forms, and would be possible to be supplied in only one way - By letting energy and mass travel back in time, so it can be added into the system again , and again, and again.

What happens if we could travel back in time? Another me, or duplicated mass of an object, will mean a double mass and energy of myself or the object. From where are I suppose to provide the mass to move myself back in time to face myself? If I do this one time, it will continue to happen until the universe are saturated with mass and energy.

Another question, from where do we provide the mass and energy to achieve overunity if we are not suppose to travel back in time? And what would happen if we manage to find it? The answer is quite obvious: It would require a feedback loop of energy and mass between presence and past. Inside this feedback loop, the energy and mass would multyply into the infinite, so it would in an instant destroy itself in a pretty ugly way.

So, in my opinion, the chase for overunity will last forever - no one will ever find it. However, mass itself contains almost limitless of energy if we manage to convert mass into radiant energy. Converting mass into radiant energy are probably the only way to achieve "overunity".


This is how I see it, but if you guys have any opinions, please post any comments here. How are we suppose to harness free energy in the most safe way?

Vidar

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The paradox of overunity
« on: December 24, 2010, 03:32:05 PM »

Offline Ar-el-es

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Re: The paradox of overunity
« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2010, 09:46:14 PM »
Um, what you are describing is a time travel paradox, not an overunity paradox and you took that paradox strait from that TV program on Discovery.  ;) I don't see why you think an overunity device would require power coming from the future. If a device is unable to use any kind of outside source to achieve overunity including through time and space then I guess it's still not technicially an overunity device. IMO I don't think a free energy device can exist if it isn't recieving power from somewhere whether it be from Earth's gravity, electromagnetic field, or aether. As for tapping energy from the future that's just silly. I guess I'm still new on the scene but I can tell the difference between abstract fantastical thinking and grounded theories. Can I have some of what you've been smoking? ;D

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Re: The paradox of overunity
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2010, 01:39:13 AM »
Um, what you are describing is a time travel paradox, not an overunity paradox and you took that paradox strait from that TV program on Discovery.  ;) I don't see why you think an overunity device would require power coming from the future. If a device is unable to use any kind of outside source to achieve overunity including through time and space then I guess it's still not technicially an overunity device. IMO I don't think a free energy device can exist if it isn't recieving power from somewhere whether it be from Earth's gravity, electromagnetic field, or aether. As for tapping energy from the future that's just silly. I guess I'm still new on the scene but I can tell the difference between abstract fantastical thinking and grounded theories. Can I have some of what you've been smoking? ;D
??? why does everybody say there,s no such thing as over unity when a simple cog or gears produces over unity " the power to turn the wheel once with a cog & gears the wheel will turn more times with same amount of power. magnets can push & pull why not use that energy for good & the magnet wont need re-magnetising for around 4 hundred years in that time more power can be made then what it take to re charge the magnet full stop there,s no defying physics "the laws of physics need to be updated thats all

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Offline Ar-el-es

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Re: The paradox of overunity
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2010, 05:48:23 AM »
I didn't say that overunity wasn't possible but I guess that depends on what you define overunity as. So far I haven't seen an overunity device. I've seen "toys" that can maintain motion for an indefinite amount of time but they don't give off any extra power. That's the "over" in overunity.

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Re: The paradox of overunity
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2010, 11:10:38 AM »
It is from the program on Discovery I got the idea of how overunitity are not possible. Because an overunity device give more energy than it takes, there must occour a feedback some time. This feedback will destroy the device quite fast. I am seeing this overunity paradox in the same way as the time travel paradox, because they are doing exactly the same thing. Taking energy and mass, and travels back in time with it, in a time where that energy and mass already exists, and add it up. From where else are we suppose to get that extra energy?

Regarding the gears, the energy transmission are not overunity, even if one gear rotates faster than the other. The faster RPM are compensated with lower torque, so the total energy are conserved. No overunity at all.

Regarding the text file "2012", what are that suppose to mean? Dooms day? Give me a break ;D

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Re: The paradox of overunity
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2010, 03:26:59 PM »
Overunity is commonly experienced nearly every day.  Most employees of companies are expected to produce more than they cost.  If they didn't, the company wouldn't be profitable...

Magnetism is produced on a constant basis.  It comes from an energy source that is constantly present.  The question is how do we tap into the energy it has, so that it is useful outside of it's natural system? 


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Re: The paradox of overunity
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2010, 01:37:01 AM »
Of course there is no such thing as over unity.

But we still may produce results which looks like over unity,
like a magnet motor that may run for hundreds of years,
or a HHO-system that makes us run cars on water.

But this is not over unity, it's just a somewhat more efficent way
than we've hitherto been capable of in harnessing matter and energy.

I recommend you all to read "Energy From The Vacum" by Tom Bearden.

It is all about our depth of understanding, and nothing about over unity.

Anyone explaining a water driven car as over unity just expresses his
lack of understanding in addition to a conformity with the orthodox scientific outlook.

So you are perfectly right as far as I am concerned, Vidar.

But I really thought everybody on this forum were crystal clear about this.

The name of this forum is of course just a nice teaser, a perfect artistic touch to a
home page that concentrates on new energy.

Gwandau

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Re: The paradox of overunity
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2010, 01:57:52 AM »
Don't say "of course there is no such thing as overunity" since the truth is the opposite, that is, of course, there is overunity.

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Re: The paradox of overunity
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2010, 04:46:48 AM »
I'm not sure why or how anyone can say that there is an overunity "device" already in existence. ??? If there was then they would have already won the overunity prize.

Overunity in the sense that is explained in the prize critirea is still technically not overunity. It's basically just a device that doesn't use conventional means; i.e. petro, wind, solar, etc, etc to create free energy or rather energy at low cost. This is definitely possible and has probably been achieved already but I'm afraid that either the inventors were silenced or they silenced themselves.

Now overunity in the sense defined by others means that the device creates more power than it uses but it doesn't use any outside power or material to continue working. That would be like having a ciruit that uses a 9v 1.5A battery to get things started but it's output is greater than 9V 1.5A. Or there is no battery involved and a simple crank or lever starts the machine and it outputs power without ever stopping. Machines or rather toys that spin indefinetly aren't an overunity device unless there is an actual output that can be used to do something else besides keeping the toy going.

IMO a gravity wheel is the most likely winner of the prize unless we can tap the power from the aether. I wouldn't call it an overunity device but rather a free energy device. I just won't argue the point because I'd like that prize money. ;)

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Re: The paradox of overunity
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2010, 02:30:54 PM »
Hi,

Surely power where cogs are concerned is the product of torque and rpm?  If cogs are used after a motor to lift a heavy weight then torque is increased but speed is decreased but the power output  as the product of the two remains the same.

Please could you explain what I missed and where the overunity is in a simple cog?


Regards,

Dave.


??? why does everybody say there,s no such thing as over unity when a simple cog or gears produces over unity " the power to turn the wheel once with a cog & gears the wheel will turn more times with same amount of power. magnets can push & pull why not use that energy for good & the magnet wont need re-magnetising for around 4 hundred years in that time more power can be made then what it take to re charge the magnet full stop there,s no defying physics "the laws of physics need to be updated thats all

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« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2010, 04:34:46 PM »
Yes we are back and ready for 2011 !!!  :)

You are right dave low rpm high torqe vs high rpm low torque input stays the same.
There is no overunity in a coq.
And by the way a gearbox is actually grossly ineffecient.
Alot of energy gets lost due to friction.

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Re: The paradox of overunity
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2010, 04:50:51 PM »
I'm not sure why or how anyone can say that there is an overunity "device" already in existence. ??? If there was then they would have already won the overunity prize.

Overunity in the sense that is explained in the prize critirea is still technically not overunity. It's basically just a device that doesn't use conventional means; i.e. petro, wind, solar, etc, etc to create free energy or rather energy at low cost. This is definitely possible and has probably been achieved already but I'm afraid that either the inventors were silenced or they silenced themselves.

Now overunity in the sense defined by others means that the device creates more power than it uses but it doesn't use any outside power or material to continue working. That would be like having a ciruit that uses a 9v 1.5A battery to get things started but it's output is greater than 9V 1.5A. Or there is no battery involved and a simple crank or lever starts the machine and it outputs power without ever stopping. Machines or rather toys that spin indefinetly aren't an overunity device unless there is an actual output that can be used to do something else besides keeping the toy going.

IMO a gravity wheel is the most likely winner of the prize unless we can tap the power from the aether. I wouldn't call it an overunity device but rather a free energy device. I just won't argue the point because I'd like that prize money. ;)

after your post of nonsence ... i will garentee you will recieve no money !

 :P

and you better the hell know what your talking about or ill eat you ! FRENCH FRY

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Re: The paradox of overunity
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2010, 05:06:49 PM »
Don't say "of course there is no such thing as overunity" since the truth is the opposite, that is, of course, there is overunity.

Omnibus,

I think you misunderstand me, over unity as a description of more energy out than in
is from my point of view a misconception.

Still, there are true effects that actually gives us more energy than we seemingly are
putting into the system, like running a car on water, or a magnet motor.

But it just looks to us like there is more energy out than in, which is due to our present
inability to understand the true sources behind electromagnetism and other forces.

Everything has a source, and it is this source that the so called over unity comes from.

Over unity does not arrive from nowhere, which those two words imply.

But if you define over unity as something where we are getting more energy out than
the amount of measurable input, I of course agree.

But mankinds ability to masure the energy spectrum is extremely primitive and most
certainly only covers a very small fraction of it.

Hope you understand what I am trying to convey.

Gwandau

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Re: The paradox of overunity
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2010, 05:25:37 AM »
after your post of nonsence ... i will garentee you will recieve no money !

 :P

and you better the hell know what your talking about or ill eat you ! FRENCH FRY

osiris

That's funny but directed in the wrong direction!!! Lucky for you that we will never meet. Besides I'm not really interested in making any money on this kind of project. You on the other hand only enjoy wasting people's time. We can either agree to disagree or you can continue to ramble on, I don't care. We'll see who's laughing in the end.

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Re: The paradox of overunity
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2010, 02:01:16 PM »
Don't say "of course there is no such thing as overunity" since the truth is the opposite, that is, of course, there is overunity.
This might be true, but then I would suggest to redefine the meaning of over unity, and how we understand the term. Like the railtrack my 3 year old son was playing with, he started to take track-pieces from the other end to extend the track, but was ofcourse very frustrated that the railtrack was impossible to complete due to lack of enough rails in his play-box. In this particular case, over unity would be to create the mass to make more rails out of nothing. Over unity, more energy/mass/stuff/whatever out than you put in? Impossible untill further notice ;)

 

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