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Author Topic: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output  (Read 290261 times)

Offline bourne

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #345 on: February 18, 2011, 08:58:35 PM »
Why please my Dear had You and no others called (and came)? To write anything can today anybody on each page. But what really is important in material world of physics is experiment. So You and others have to wait, till it will be officially accepted through Council of University (or already is? I don^t know;-]), and properly installed. This for students they could have learn in XXI century of what could already be to use 100y. ago. Something like history, but in new clothes;-)

The above is what I call an 'orgy of words' !

Imagine a large group of naked words all writhing on a large leather topped desk, when you snap a picture it looks exactly like the above!  :P

Sorry @ everyone for the off topic post, but it has been a long cold day and that thought made me grin ;)

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Offline Doctor No

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #346 on: February 18, 2011, 09:14:54 PM »
So You need please to check topic: DRJ200》100% CNF reactor.

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #347 on: February 19, 2011, 01:02:24 AM »
All,

I note that my “Running series cell electrolyzers on 50/60Hz AC power” article has only been downloaded 10 times.

Perhaps I should have pointed out that it contains important information which applies to ALL types of electrolyzer cells!
It also gives a brief explanation of the relationship between applied cell voltage versus current.

Best regards,
Les Banki

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #347 on: February 19, 2011, 01:02:24 AM »
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Offline bolt

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #348 on: February 21, 2011, 12:02:45 AM »
I find it VERY strange how one of the most exciting disclosures of recent times witnessing a gasoline engine running on water and generating 400w has the quietest thread? Maybe its a mental block or a spell cast over mankind where there are more thrills within under unity 1 watt TOYS or perhaps  Sports TV in HD has been good lately?


Offline Hope

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #349 on: February 21, 2011, 07:43:21 PM »
Not all are sleeping.   

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #349 on: February 21, 2011, 07:43:21 PM »
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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #350 on: February 21, 2011, 09:51:13 PM »
I find it VERY strange how one of the most exciting disclosures of recent times witnessing a gasoline engine running on water and generating 400w has the quietest thread? Maybe its a mental block or a spell cast over mankind where there are more thrills within under unity 1 watt TOYS or perhaps  Sports TV in HD has been good lately?


When can we buy one, or at least build one?

Cheers,
Mike




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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #351 on: February 21, 2011, 10:36:12 PM »
The answer for Bolt^s question is simple: i think that all (auch Angela Merken zu Spate) know already, that war (III WW i mean) is question of year or  16 months. Em i right:-)

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #352 on: February 22, 2011, 06:25:19 PM »

When can we buy one, or at least build one?

Cheers,
Mike

Were there plans, and instructions on how to build the cell, ever posted?

Any description on how the cell operates and what electrolyte used?

Any posted description on how to connect the cell to the genset?

Did I miss them being posted somewhere?

Showing pictures and videos is nice, but what is the point if no one can build one, or buy one?

Cheers,
Mike

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 25 kW=14.000 EUR
« Reply #353 on: February 23, 2011, 08:42:33 PM »
Our selfrunning HHO reactor with 25 kW output will have 13-14.000 EUR to cost. Maybe when somebody decides to end of winter, we will produce such standard unit. It can be easily to make bigger ones, but it is only question money. It is much cheaper as of traditional power station cost/1 kW. Here it should be under 600 EUR. No pollution, on fuel cost, small maintenance (check).    Model which will go on show will have about 1 kW power. But please don^t achieve any details:-);-]:-(;-);-]

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 25 kW=14.000 EUR
« Reply #353 on: February 23, 2011, 08:42:33 PM »
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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #354 on: February 23, 2011, 10:41:32 PM »
@Mike

Almost all about building an ANTON drycell, operating data, tips and tricks, modification and data of the generator, waste spark elimination, ...
is open source presented by the inventors on the German forum.
Link: www.overunity.de
The information are placed in different threads, on topic and off topic, developing during months, therefore not easy to find. A few members are right on the way to replicate the selfrunner.
As well 2 Series of ANTON cells were built especially for the forum members, therefore about 40 users do have a high performance HHO drycell now.
Meanwhile woodpecker helps to build drycells of similar quality in his workshops.
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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #355 on: February 24, 2011, 04:49:43 AM »
@Mike

Almost all about building an ANTON drycell, operating data, tips and tricks, modification and data of the generator, waste spark elimination, ...
is open source presented by the inventors on the German forum.
Link: www.overunity.de
The information are placed in different threads, on topic and off topic, developing during months, therefore not easy to find. A few members are right on the way to replicate the selfrunner.
As well 2 Series of ANTON cells were built especially for the forum members, therefore about 40 users do have a high performance HHO drycell now.
Meanwhile woodpecker helps to build drycells of similar quality in his workshops.
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cubalibre

Thank you cubalibre. :)

Great to hear that the German forum is still working on this very interesting technology.  I will visit the site and read up on it.

Maybe the inventors will publish a complete instructions on how to build an electric generator unit and give it to Free Energy Researcher, Patrick Kelly, for publication in English.

Here is an example of a Patrick Kelly instructions on how to build a Bob Boyce 101 plate series electrolyzer cell:

http://pesn.com/2007/09/29/9500450_BobBoyce_Electrolizer_Plans/d9.pdf

Please let us know when the Anton cell, with electric generator set, will be for sale on the German forum.

Cheers,
Mike

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #355 on: February 24, 2011, 04:49:43 AM »
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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #356 on: February 26, 2011, 09:49:38 PM »
Concerning using a 2 Cycle generator set.   First the need for lubrication is lessened with the operating temperature being lessened from 600 F degrees to 200 F degrees.   It has been show with other HHO burning engines that the lubrication provided by the HO gases is enough to provide a competent level of fraction controlled lubrication.   Any other input here is needed and should of course be researched.     Our fuel reactor is built now and the mods have be made to connect it to a 10HP 4 stroke gen set.   The HHO papers of Bob Boyce suggest the use of a LPG carburetor (Excellent Thinking!)  then the load correction can operate normally.   (and make this device able control variable load engine like cars)  Processing the HHO through the Pantene/Naudin proof of concept fuel reactor will increase (as proven in France) our usable HHO another 30% . Of course the proof is not in hand (for me) until we build the TPU Bruce's (the mogul) designed and incorporate it with the fuel reactor.

Offline grizli

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #357 on: March 10, 2011, 02:24:14 PM »
LES BANKI and all others (who can answer)

WHY gas engine can be looped using HHO, but when I burn HHO heat energy is inside Faraday "parameters". For example if I have 99% faraday cell heat energy from HHO burning is lower than eelectric energy needed for HHO generation.

BUT it is clearly shown by many inventors that amount of HHO needed to run gas engine is QUITE SMALL for example 3-6 LPM for home generator unit (like this man from Germany)

So whats going on inside gas engine when HHO is there?

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #358 on: March 10, 2011, 03:00:47 PM »
When HHO is ignited under great pressure like 150-200 PSI with ICE the power is greatly magnified. Like when you trap HHO in a container then ignite it the explosion almost takes your roof off! Anyone that tries to store any amount of HHO in containers at pressures over 7 PSI has just made a lethal weapon particularly where its raised to pressure like 100 PSI its highly unstable and will try at any time to convert all that energy back to water.

HHO recombination is an electron migration process where water is used as a Zero Point Energy proxy. So the water is not actually the fuel even though it will consume water. For all practical purpose who cares it uses water?  As HHO burns thru metals and raises to thousands of degrees the process has been measured as OU as electrons are accelerated at huge speeds form kinetic energy bombards the adjacent molecules in the material being heated and the temperature is raised several magnitudes hotter than the HHO flame itself.  The process is improved higher by high voltage spark at flame point as within Atomic Welding. High voltage spark adds abundance of free electrons.  See early 1900's books already recognised this process as OU.

For HHO heaters use rock ore materials with high crystal content not metal. As crystal excited by extreme heat the crystals are energised release more and more high speed electrons as piezoelectric effect into adjacent material heating >3000 degrees. The process goes OU. Special cut rock is then built up around the heat chamber to make a HHO core reactor. Then conventional fire bricks cover the stack to make a 300 degree IR radiant heater.  Several patents on this already.

Typically the HHO yields a COP 3 within ICE when all the other parameters have been perfected for engine timing etc.

So if you put 1000 watts into your cell you have 3000 watts of energy within the engine. Take off 1000 you need to give back to keep the cell going plus engine losses, friction and alternator conversion loss etc so total you need to give back 2000 watts of this energy. Now you have 1000 watts OU available to run a load. You can see by making engine super efficient you have 1000 watts here which can be recovered rather then giving it back as losses so as the process is refined you get over 1000 watts OU.

Now you can see without any PWM driving and special tuning already the process has a COP 3. By using PWM high frequency drives, ultrasonic water fog injection, resonance tuned alternator, the COP can easily exceed 5 even higher.

So if you perfected everything and used PWM etc reaching a COP of 10 within a car engine is not impossible in fact its very achievable as others have done this already.  You need a 5kW cell to get 50kW out the engine running only HHO and nothing else. Perfect for a small car.
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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #359 on: March 10, 2011, 05:27:38 PM »
When HHO is ignited under great pressure like 150-200 PSI with ICE the power is greatly magnified. Like when you trap HHO in a container then ignite it the explosion almost takes your roof off! Anyone that tries to store any amount of HHO in containers at pressures over 7 PSI has just made a lethal weapon particularly where its raised to pressure like 100 PSI its highly unstable and will try at any time to convert all that energy back to water.


I know that some people completely safe  use HHO dry cell under 30 psi to remove foam and bubles and make better liquid flow(without buble saturation).
so it is claimed that its safe to operate cell at 30 psi level , which also increase HHO production. Remember Even Stanley Meyer had his cells under pressure.

If HHO COP is above 3 inside gas engine, why closed loops are announced so late ?

Classic gas engine has les than 30 % eff.. maybe HHO works cooler and eff is higher.

First page of this topic, original "german video" "self running generator in elevator" , do I see it clear , but it seems that HHO tube goes directly into engine WITHOUT any air? So this would man engine works at 100% HHO , am I wrong here? BB , Les Banki and all others claim 99% air and 1% hho is great ratio.

I have never seen that simple PWM without any "back emf effect" (inductor needed) can produce greater eff. PWM justs makes current to be at your own desire.

Question is HOW to get 3 X Faraday COP? You say that 3 COP is HHO inside gas engine. So we need another 3 COP above Faraday for cell itself.

Is there any 100% proved 100% every time successfull method for making HHO cell that can have 3X or more faraday ? (using pwm)

Now HHO heater?

Maybe just what is needed is that we heat some material above some point... I made experiemnt myself and heating water cointaner = NO OU., but maybe if we heat piece of metal that becomes glowing we get OU (process you described)
Do you have any more data about Rocks needed ?

What about HHO and Propane /butane mixture. Some people from Italy slaim that this way HHO small amount makes butane have 18 time more BTU !!! ?

 

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