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Author Topic: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output  (Read 290297 times)

Offline albert

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #255 on: January 05, 2011, 11:41:15 AM »
Everyone seems to be harping on the idea of an exhaust test. There will be carbons in it from the oil needed for the four stroke engine...so what does this prove?

I think it is stupid to suppose that the guys want to cheat with their video. That makes no sense at all to me. An investor will want foolproof facts anyway- no one will put any money into such an adventure on the proof of a shaky video.
'No, the fellas DID it and it shows that something unusual is going on either in the cell or in the combustion chamber of the engine.
The effort should go into researching WHY this thing runs itself . To me it is proven that it does , Oliver and Valentin are not the only ones who have achieved this.

My two cents
Albert

Happy new Year to everyone.
-10 degrees here in Southern Germany. We could need this invention, really...

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Offline markdansie

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #256 on: January 05, 2011, 11:49:52 AM »
Hi Albert..+30c here and raining.
You are right some carbons will show up and small amounts are allowed for. Remeber the water motorcycle scam in NZ a few years ago...he was busted by the exhaust gas tests...and I know of many others that because of NDA agreements you will never know about. For every device that reaches the forum there are many more that do not.
I applaud the Anton people.....but read what he has said. They are not making the claims but others are on their behalf. They are doing good research and work...but have they claimed a self runner...not publically. Dioes it self run for some time...maybe. However even if they did put some carbon or amonia in it is still good work they are doing.
I am not aware of anyone else who has achieved a self runner that can be replicated or demonstarted. I am always happy to be educated.
Mark

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #257 on: January 05, 2011, 12:41:34 PM »
....

Ps. Since my attachments are larger than the limits for this Forum, I need to make a couple of extra posts just for the attachments!


Hi Les,

There is file Upload / Download section on this forum, in the left hand side, under the Menu column. Here is too: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=downloads 

and you find upload possibility of max 5MB file at a time by clicking an appropiate title under the 'Category Name'.

rgds,  Gyula

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #257 on: January 05, 2011, 12:41:34 PM »
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Offline ramset

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #258 on: January 05, 2011, 02:43:46 PM »
Les,
Thank you for the redirect to the "topic"!

Many of us here crave your contributions!!

@Albert
AMEN!!
See also ,

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7023-merry-o-u-christmas-germany.html#post124562

Chet

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #259 on: January 06, 2011, 06:33:41 AM »
Hi Les,
        I am wanting to make numerous on the road tests using some type of timing controller that I have been imagining; and just look low and behold your controle panel has an adjustable timing controle just I have imagined only better!

Am I dreaming?

Your a master!

I am glad you have been encouraged with the participation on this thread. you make us little guys humble and very honored to stand beside you!

I am also getting a good feeling about this thread as well.

With help like you are offfering maybe someday I will live up to my handle; "h2ocommuter".
Zane


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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #259 on: January 06, 2011, 06:33:41 AM »
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Offline bolt

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #260 on: January 07, 2011, 12:35:29 AM »
Thread is 18 pages now and no sign of replications yet! Has anyone gone out and bought a Chinese gentset only cost about 150 bucks and got this working?

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #261 on: January 07, 2011, 02:46:10 AM »
bolt
As Oliver, Helmut,Albert and several others have said
they have replications in Germany,they also have "Teams" working on making electricity right out of the cell.Plus other unexplained techniques for harvesting energy without running it thru an engine.

Chet




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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #261 on: January 07, 2011, 02:46:10 AM »
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Offline Omnibus

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #262 on: January 07, 2011, 02:48:11 AM »
bolt
As Oliver, Helmut,Albert and several others have said
they have replications in Germany,they also have "Teams" working on making electricity right out of the cell.Plus other unexplained techniques for harvesting energy without running it thru an engine.

Chet

And with no analysis of the exhaust gases, right?

Offline MrMag

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #263 on: January 07, 2011, 03:05:37 AM »
And with no analysis of the exhaust gases, right?

Do you even bother to read the post before posting an irrelevant comment?

Note: "harvesting energy without running it thru an engine."

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #263 on: January 07, 2011, 03:05:37 AM »
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Offline ramset

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #264 on: January 07, 2011, 03:08:06 AM »
Albert
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Everyone seems to be harping on the idea of an exhaust test. There will be carbons in it from the oil needed for the four stroke engine...so what does this prove?

I think it is stupid to suppose that the guys want to cheat with their video. That makes no sense at all to me. An investor will want foolproof facts anyway- no one will put any money into such an adventure on the proof of a shaky video.
'No, the fellas DID it and it shows that something unusual is going on either in the cell or in the combustion chamber of the engine.
The effort should go into researching WHY this thing runs itself . To me it is proven that it does , Oliver and Valentin are not the only ones who have achieved this.

My two cents
Albert
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Omni,
One thing that is different about this "Anton"Situation ,Is everytime we here from these fellows They are making progress and also working on all kinds of ways besides an ICE [internal combustion Engine] to harvest power from these cells
This has legs its not a "MYLO"
or a Hoax,Like bolt says we should buy a chincy genset and try it ourselves

Chet

Offline MasterPlaster

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #265 on: January 07, 2011, 03:08:50 AM »
And with no analysis of the exhaust gases, right?

I guess you are implying that that the demo was a hoax ok I could say the demo was based around a trolly with a generator sitting on it and a little battery stuck under neath. The battery turned a micky mouse electric motor on the top and powering the light bulb. The generator was not running. The sound was added later to make the hoax look more plausable. So as you see, the exhaust gasses can not be analyzed as they don't exist!

Until such time that sufficient information becomes available
to enable others to replicate then just think of this as an early April fools joke.

In the mean time it would nice if trolls refrain.

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #265 on: January 07, 2011, 03:08:50 AM »
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Offline Omnibus

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #266 on: January 07, 2011, 03:32:02 AM »
I guess you are implying that that the demo was a hoax ok I could say the demo was based around a trolly with a generator sitting on it and a little battery stuck under neath. The battery turned a micky mouse electric motor on the top and powering the light bulb. The generator was not running. The sound was added later to make the hoax look more plausable. So as you see, the exhaust gasses can not be analyzed as they don't exist!

Until such time that sufficient information becomes available
to enable others to replicate then just think of this as an early April fools joke.

In the mean time it would nice if trolls refrain.

Who's the troll? The one who believes uncritically anything he's told or the one who says the evidence is insufficient to claim self-sustaining run. The former is the troll.

I'm not saying it's a hoax. All I'm saying is that there is not enough evidence to claim self-sustaining run. However, since by default anyone who is seeking money on claims not-fully sustained without making it clear to the investors is a fraud. If these guys are are approaching investors, claiming that they have achieved self-sustaining run of the device then they are fraudulent and, yes, it's a hoax then.

Offline Les Banki

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #267 on: January 07, 2011, 03:35:37 AM »
Hi Les.
you are a good electrical designer. Was good to catch up with you the otherday and i wish you all the best.
I do have issue with you. I was one of the no hoper's you mentioned wanting exhaust tests. There are three reasons:
1. To gain more understanding of the combustion processes. I have worked with and consulted with some very good combustion engineers.
2. To see if there were any carbon introduced into the system. Many of my friends and I who have performed tests for our own research or part of a validation process for investors this is the first test we do. Given the many scammers that have both privately and publically been exposed in the past this is the best tell tale sign of foul play. However I suspect in this case ammonia may have been introduced...go read Oliver's reply. I have not a problem with this
A friend of mine in the next week is testing another self runner claim...first thing he packed was a exhaust gas testing unit.
3. There is often a considerable amount of money at stake from investors for proof of concept. This is help in escrow. The people who have this money insist on using good engineers and ...in the case o HHO testing exhaust gas analysis
Kind Regards
Mark

Mark,

You are obviously mistaking me for someone else!
I never had ANY kind of communication with you in the past.
Therefore, even your compliment “ you are a good electrical designer” may apply to someone else!
(Btw, FYI, my technical skills are not limited to electronics.  I also have a reasonably well equipped machine shop and with the machines I have I am able to produce parts with a quality second to none!)

There was/is no need to explain your “reasons” for insisting on exhaust analysis and/or so-called ‘validation’.
I have heard them all before, MANY times!  (from others)

I will use this opportunity to KNOCK OUT, once and for all, present and future arguments (I know they will still be coming!) about “investors” and the “need” to convince them!!

I have done this verbally several times during my monthly ‘lectures’ (which went on for many years, on several subjects, including free energy & water fuel in particular!) but this is the FIRST TIME I put it in writing!  (It’s about time!)

OK.  Here we go:

So you have a WORKING prototype of a device you wish to make & sell.
Just ONE!  The one which you have managed to finance out of your own pocket!

Perhaps you already know a few people who would be interested to BUY such a device.
(Note I said BUY, NOT “invest”!)

INVITE them to an obligation free demonstration!

Let them test the device any which way they wish to convince themselves that it performs EXACTLY as you said it would!

Now some of them (ALL of them in the case of a free energy device!) want to buy one!
Then you tell them:
Sorry guys, I don’t have the money to make them BUT if all of you who are interested are willing to pay, say, 50% DEPOSIT and when they are DELIVERED (in a few weeks/months, or whatever time is needed to produce them), you pay me the balance!

Say you have produced 10 units this way which are now paid in full.
You now have the money to invest in the next batch, say 20.
And so on….
Before you know it, you will have a hard time keeping up with demand and the money is rolling in!
Perhaps you want to employ people or sub-contract all the work.
Businesses will flourish all around you!

Before any of you start objecting, you should know that this has been done by MANY, including ME.
So please don’t waste your time telling me that it cannot be done!
I never accepted a single “investment” dollar in my life!
Nor have I ever borrowed a single dollar from anyone.  Not even a bank. 
And I am PROUD of it!

To take this issue a little further:
Do ANY of you honestly believe that those satisfied customers are the slightest bit interested in some professor’s opinion at such and such University???
Or require an explanation on how that device works?
Let me tell you (from personal experience), they don’t give a SHIT!
All they wanted (and got it) was/is a WORKING device!! 
End of story and end of argument!

If someone out of ‘scientific curiosity’ wants to run some highly technical tests,
by all means, DO IT!
As I am NOT a ‘scientist’, I too would be interested in the results of such tests!

Personally, since I am NOT out to convince anyone about anything, (even if it may look that way occasionally), I seriously doubt that I will ever produce a video like Oliver & Valentin did.

If you understood my posts you already know why.
However, I will do whatever I can to try to help those who genuinely want to make their own systems and also those who have plans to make & sell them to those who don’t have the equipment and/or skills.  (which is probably more than 99.9% of the population!)

Albert & Chet,
Thank you for your support.  It makes it all worthwhile!

Gyula,

Thanks for your advise. 
I know about the Upload/Download section and its limits.
(I don’t know about others but I find it hard to navigate that section to find what I am looking for!)
Something like the personal Project Folders offered in ‘oupower.com’ Forum would be ideal!

Zane (h2ocommuter),

I am very pleased that you already found something useful in the files I have attached so far.  (more to come)
If you intend to use the timer you see on the ECU control panel, you need the circuit diagram and you MUST read my “Timer & timer interphase” document/circuit description!
(Mainly because after the modifications the operating instructions differ form the original instructions!  This file also contains information like model number and where you can buy it from.)

Further, you also need detailed instructions on HOW to modify that timer.
Since that is hard to explain in words only, I will take some step-by-step pictures of how the modifications are carried out.
Should you wish to make a pcb for the timer interphase circuit, you also need the pcb file.
(all files attached)
Have fun!

Best regards to all,
Les Banki

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #268 on: January 07, 2011, 03:53:00 AM »
@Les Banki,

I'm not telling you this cannot be done but I'm telling you this should not be done. Why? Because these buyers or investors or whoever you're scamming jave to take your word that "it works". It doesn't even matter whether or not you upurself know exactly what "it works" means, judging from your post. Because, as any scammer would do, you're skipping over the important details proving that "it works" and are jumpin right into the customer part of the story. It doesn't matter that you may have convinced some hillbillies that "it works". That's what scammers do, convince the unsuspected about the qualities of their fake product. And the first thing they say is, believe me, believe your unqualified judgement as a customer and don't listen to the knowledgeable professors. They know nothing. You know more than they do because it's your money you're spending. Wrong. And I don't even need to explain why that's wrong. You should know better if you claim to be an honest businessman.

Let me make it perfectly clear to you. You have shown no evidence that the device you're selling works as an OU machine. That machine of yours will not withstand any serious scrutiny, aside from the belief in it created by you in the gullible customers. Therefore, continuing to sell it puts you in the unenviable and indefensible position of a hoaxter. If you disagree, present it for inspection to people who know what they are talking about (and not to people who don't know what they are talking about, such as your customers). Until then you'll remain a snake oil peddler who has no shame.

Offline MrMag

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #269 on: January 07, 2011, 04:03:04 AM »
I agree with the way you are proceeding. It's the best way to go about it without investing/borrowing. Omni is just jealous. If he doesn't like it or believe it, don't buy one.

 

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