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Author Topic: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output  (Read 290280 times)

Offline bolt

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #180 on: December 28, 2010, 11:24:13 AM »
@questioneverything

let me ask a question?  or two ......

First, present scientific theory suggests that electromagnetism is the basic building blocks of the Universe and science.  Electricity and magnetism.  The question is what if there is actually a third?

Something that Stan Meyer, Nikoli Tesla(who I named my first born son after), and even you have alluded to, even fast freddie, as well as many in the effort to create amazing results.

I personally do not believe in over-unity.  However I do believe we have not discover all there is to know about energy and how it may be harnessed.   I have studied forum after forum, book after book, inventor after inventer, pioneer after pioneer and have come to one simple conclusion.  We are missing a chunk of the puzzle.  Men like Tesla and Meyer only proved that we do not have all the facts to prove that for every action there is an opposite an equal reaction.  How did they create an action that proved the reaction?

I have read every single post on this thread.  Amazing results on the trolley from lab to elevator, to ....    The naysayers and the proponents.  Everyone has an opinion.  You see what is on the trolley, build your own.  Prove or disprove.  Test and ask questions.

Some folks only wish to rip apart other folks research.  Ignore them.  Some folks wish to share their research,  share back with them.  Some folks wish to share overviews but not detail, try to replicate on your own.  Try yourself, and fail or succeed, but try.

I am build a 80 cell "brick" presently.  If it performs for size and current it will put my chevy suburban at 50 miles per gallon.  No it is not pure HHO, but it saves me enough to pay for some more research into HHO.

Well its the correct way to go and build the damn thing. It will only cost about 500 euro/dollars for the Chinese genset and HHO cell and if it don't work you can sell most of it.

Its a pity you don't understand what OU means! An Air Con system is OU. It has a COP>1 in fact its about 3 to 4. Over Unity means more than ONE. If you get more back of anything then you put into it then its an OU device. Your Air Con on heat setting you pay for 1Kw of electric and you get 3Kw-4Kw out to heat your house. No need to worry about where the extra came from it irrelevant. But different systems provide the excess in different ways. Kapanadze, TPU and other related things are Radiant Energy devices. Usually a small battery starts them then they run forever unless something over heats or blows.

 Likewise the HHO looper is a Radiant Energy device. Cracking water is a charge separation  of  electron bonding process. During recombination under pressure and in the presence of a spark it has at LEAST > COP 3 where it turns back to water as it undergoes energy transformation and radiant energy is introduced to the system and puffs out the water from the exhaust. So the only thing needed to add to keep it going is water. BUT even that can be recycled as the water is actually only a PROXY.  But who cares its water for fuel!   Read about Atomic Hydrogen and also read about JLN Labs test and validation for Atomic Hydrogen. He recorded a COP of 21! No its not identical but its RELATED technology.

http://jlnlabs.online.fr/mahg/index.htm

A typical ICE creates favorable conditions having compression, HHO mix and a High voltage spark.

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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #181 on: December 28, 2010, 03:22:17 PM »
The level of incompetence is more than I can stand. I did everything except spell it out for you and none of you have gotten the point.

yeah i know right!! so before you die of your broken neck or whatever, please learn the difference between you're and your...  ::) sorry i had to spell it out for you. ;)

p.s. you can't delete your account. but i'm sure we can rely on your integrity. ;)

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #182 on: December 28, 2010, 04:28:56 PM »
I'm sure more than a few of you will be happy about this. There is no place for logic in your delusions.

Can someone please tell me how to delete my account here?
I do take a break once in a while, and whish I never signed up here, but a few days later I just can't stop myself from visiting this site again. This site needs any point of view. Arguing about things are quite common when everyone sits on the truth. So please do not cancel your membership. This forum needs everyone - both ignorant (Not in the bad sense), and well educated persons. :)

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
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Offline neptune

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #183 on: December 28, 2010, 05:01:59 PM »
It always seems a shame and a waste when sensible threads degenerate into name calling and insults .We all need to try to see the other guys viewpoint , even if we dis agree with it . It seems to me that scientific knowledge and social skills can not coexist in the same individual . I am probably an excellent example , as I know how to be polite , but my technical knowledge leaves much to be desired . How about a New Year Resolution to try to get on better together . Much more will thus be achieved

Offline sushimoto

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #184 on: December 28, 2010, 06:09:39 PM »
@sushimotto
I am afraid you have me mixed up with Markscoffman, that is not me. I do not recall having any correspondence with you.

Mark,
Sorry for the mess i made.
Pls take my appologies.

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As you have seen with the person who owns this forum and others like Sterling Allen's FREEENERGYNEWS they are claiming self running and major breakthrough. I understand these are not your words but it is a natural interpretation that anyone would put on seeing the video.
Thanks a lot for recognizing that.

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Your cells are very high quality product but I am not sure their efficiency is any more than some others that are out there.

We have made some comparsion, but the issue is NOT for rivalry or competition.
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrEntelecheia#p/a/u/1/V14Y0KhrHgU

EVERY Cell is the right direction towards a non-fossil and better world.
It should be absolutely clear, that we are facing a lot of further
development and (creative) experiments of how we use the gases produced.
One thing is for sure: It comes from Water and gets into Water without
any damages to the environment.

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I am a little confussed about if this is an open source project or not.

ANTON started as a common and basic system for experimenters.
Some modified it to a fuel Cell, other made it a NiFe-battery.
It up to the Teams, whether they publish their work on a puplic license,
open Source, GPL or however they have an outcome with their effords..

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From reading the German threads you do have detail about your cell and ignition modification. However I do have a couple of questions for you (assuming it is open sourced, if not no need to reply)
1. What other modifications did you do to the motor(valve timing, cam modifications, spark plug etc)?
2. Have you had the exhaust gas analysed and what was the results?
3. Were any other hydrocarbons present in the bubblier or cell.
I was not aware of any commercial arrangements you have with Chava or any other company or anyone else you may have met.  That is of course your own business and no one elses.
I do however congradulate you on your work.

The experiment with the  ICE was just
another quick'n dirty "proof of possibilities" like all the other experiments and
tests we've made with the molecules of H's, O's and some N's.
Nobody should nail us with the 4-stroke machine,
because we want to get rid of this ancient concept.
Its a nice "boystoy", but who wants to heat his
home with a noisy genset made in cheap-china?

Its much more interesting to reverse the
electrolytic process with solid state technologies.

If you watch the "opensource"-communities, you may notify,
that there are a lot of forces out there with great lack in creativity and phantasy.
There is a great lack in knowledge and professionality also.
We are workers and no politians or involved with this abstract "war of opinions".
Any substantiated and constructive participation is welcome.

Best regards,
Oliver



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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #184 on: December 28, 2010, 06:09:39 PM »
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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #185 on: December 28, 2010, 07:04:30 PM »
I apologize for carrying nonsensically last evening.  I had an extra beer or two, was feeling a little better than I should have and let myself become upset over what I saw as a slight.  Again my apologies.

I am most interested in making my home and vehicles work at their most efficient.  I do not care if someone builds a commercial interest or not.  I am interested in finding the truth, I have given up the corporate enviroment to raise my children and study energy.  my motto is KISS(keep it simple      )

I understand the COP>1, yet I want to know where the extra energy comes from.  In my small imagination I cannot imagine it coming from nothing.  In the real world it means more efficiency as a result, but I am more interested in where does this energy derive from?  If we can possibly discover what this energy that others have harnessed is, then we can become a world of nearly free energy.  I am not so stupid to think that everything is free, there is the cost of materials, time, etc.

I have been looking at wave forms and harmonics because of something that is purported of Tesla to say that ended his tower.  He was going to tune the earth to draw energy from it.  paraphrased.
When I was studying the Meyers design, and then this guy fast freddie has made some incredible statements about harmonics(hopefully I am using simple information to show my point), maybe there is something in wave forms we need to look at.  Everything from magnetism, to light spectrums, to sound has a measureable wave form.  Tesla spoke about other energy systems he was envisioning, and I am way out on a limb here, but what if his energies have wave forms we have yet to discover?

Am just asking.

It appears to me with advances in knowledge in magnetism, atomics, light, sound, we seem to be opening larger questions.  And I am along for the ride, and hopefully can contribute.

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #186 on: December 28, 2010, 09:38:50 PM »
Steady everyone,
                       This is a subject that has baffeled societies and communities for ever.  From the U.S.E. deffinition "my favorite" to COP>1 ... and so on

As things are nearly all stated as semantics and understanding the Statement of "Nicola" Tesla; Attaching the harness to the energy of the universe.

I am personally working with Bob Boyce who has built Racing boats run on ESPN with "HOD' hydrogen on demand.
I will be building the cells this comming year. I will need many of the components offered in this thread; ie. timming adjust circuits and integrating software like the ardino thing someone mentioned within this thread.
I am also going to need an alternator or a DC Generator to give me in excess of 8400 watts. There are many very special people here I truely appreciate the intentions of everyone on this thread.  This will give me in the neiborhood of between 1 to 3 CFM hydroxy gas.
plain and simple I want to run my big 350 CID engine from this cell.

I have reciently been challenged by a very successful arrogant auto specialist to put up or shut up! I choose to put my money where my mouth is. He insulted me to the Nth degree N machine. So all of this studying I have been doing for the last six years "on this subject should not go in vein".

I left this forum like you want to now and did not return for over a year over irratative coments and ugly thoughts of whatever. it just was not worth loosing the time. Please I emplore you as said before. stay each of us are here to learn and seek the wisdom and technics of others..

Leave the idiosincracies at the door whenever possible.

Pray for my wife, her health is poor and I have a lot of work to do to make all this happen this year.

Zane
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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
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Offline bolt

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #187 on: December 28, 2010, 10:19:43 PM »
"I am also going to need an alternator or a DC Generator to give me in excess of 8400 watts. There are many very special people here I truely appreciate the intentions of everyone on this thread.  This will give me in the neiborhood of between 1 to 3 CFM hydroxy gas.
plain and simple I want to run my big 350 CID engine from this cell."

8.4KW brute force cracking is about COP 3 will give you about 25KW nett at the wheels. Its not enough to drive it with any power at your gas pedal for a big RV type truck but will certainly start and run without gasoline. With gasoline this is a MASSIVE contribution.  I would expect to see +60MPG even on the worse trucks that typical only do 8-14 mpg.  Using 3 phase resonance systems if your working with Bob you already know you can get COP 6-10. If you manage 10 then you got 84KW on the wheels which is about the power of  small car and will run 100% on water only. For your truck it will only need a "sniff" of gasoline to make up the extra power on acceleration and fast highway driving.

Offline jibbguy

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #188 on: December 29, 2010, 02:28:19 AM »
Mr. Banki,
Thanks for the great information. MANY here appreciate it and your work.

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Offline dasimpson

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #189 on: December 29, 2010, 03:06:13 AM »
this idea was always going to work the problem has always been making enogth gas on demand

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #190 on: December 29, 2010, 04:13:44 AM »
If this fuel cell makes 5 - 6 liters per minute you got to wonder. If the motor was 125 cc which might be close but I'm just guessing on that number, then do the math 125cc x 250 rpm(just another guess) = 31250 cc... divide by a thousand to get liters...31.250.

I know there is something a little more complex here than just these simple volumes. When HHO is burned it unites the oxygen and hydrogen to create water and then the heat from the reaction instantly boils the water and the resultant expansion of water to a gas is what turns the whole thing... and yes the force of the flame propagation and the heat not used to boil the water continues to add additional effect to the reciprocating assembly and it would take pages of description and calculations to put the whole picture in place but I guess the main point is this.... the volume needed to fill the cylinder prior to combustion is nearly six times what the numbers above tell us is needed.

I'd like to think this is not faked somehow but like others have said... better descriptions are needed along with some examination by reputable sources before I will give it creedence.

Keep working though everyone...I'm hoping someone will finally put the proof out in a manner that cannot be disproved or argued against.

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #191 on: December 29, 2010, 04:14:19 AM »
ou isent the point the point is we are using somthing that falls from the sky and costs nothing per gallon over a generator that uses a fuel that costs £5 a gallon if this gen dose give him 400watt and all he adds is water something that as free as long as you payback what it cost to build with run time then thats ou in my eyes

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #192 on: December 29, 2010, 04:18:49 AM »
i have tried this my self with a 50cc 2 stroke engine and could never get enoth gas to run maybe 2 stroke engine is the wrong way to go or i need to change the timeing but when an engine is run from pre bottle hadragen it ran with no modifications so i dont think timeing is the problem

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #193 on: December 29, 2010, 05:11:31 AM »
Timing shouldn't matter... at least when you are talking about advanced timing and that sort of thing. Advanced timing as it pertains to gasoline engines is because of it's octane rating. I don't recall the rating of gasoline in particular but hydrogen has an octane rating of 130 which is the highest of all fuels. It will not cause the common "knocking" that is associated with other fuels if they aren't manged with their timing to prevent this condition. The mechanical timing on the other hand should be set to bottom top dead center. If the engine is new and assembled that is the way it would be set... If you're assembling an engine that has been disassembled it simply means to have the piston at the top of the cylinder during the compression cycle when the valves are closed and with the rotations of the crankshaft so that the piston has just begun to move in the downward direction. This is the point where the spark plug fires... pushing the piston down and finishing off with the next... exhaust stroke

As for the issue of two stroke vs. four stroke... a two stoke needs to be lubricated by oil carried in the fuel mixture or it will seize up and except for maybe a little experimentation... it shouldn't be used long term because it will ultimately fail. You might be able to go to the extra length of using a two stroke with an oil injection system like they use in some motocross motorcycles but it would be to the detriment of still polluting the air.

As for something else I read in another thread... to clear things up a little, hydrogen does not produce any hyrocarbons but does in some circumstances produce nitrides.

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Re: Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output
« Reply #194 on: December 29, 2010, 05:22:45 AM »
You need power to start the process and a cell which can handle at least 1kw. This rules out 95% of the shabby DIY builds made from SS scraps.

1Kw at 13.2 volts = 75 amps! Throwing caution to the wind the cell has got to manage at least 50 amps to get enough power into the engine to run it. So if you got 4 plates hanging off a coat hanger inside a cookie jar,  using Bi Carb as electrolite and pushing 3-5 amps from a flat car battery then no you havent got a chance in hell.

 AND the timing changes,  4 stroke skip spark is VITAL. Inlet valve already open 2 degrees when crank TDC if you just advance ignition = BAANGGGGGGGGG! You just found out your bubbler doesnt work too  good:)

Oh and timing does matter ..a lot. Why do you think they went to all that trouble modifying it and using plastic cogs?

 

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