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Title: More Voltage out than in – Water Captret
Post by: ibpointless2 on December 22, 2010, 12:31:35 PM

 - More Voltage out than in -- Water Captret -

I have a very simple setup that shows a higher voltage than what‘s in the battery that I’m using. Its based off my captret ideas. It’s simple and cheap to make, all you need is aluminum foil, clear plastic cups, scissors, and tape.
Where the battery would have 4.05 volts in it the water captret would increase it to 4.09 or even more with some fine tuning. Hooking a capacitor up and it would charge the capacitor to the higher voltage.

You wrap the outer of the clear plastic cup with about 1 to 2 inches of aluminum foil. Then on the inside you fill it up with aluminum foil, basically you want the aluminum foil on the inside of the cup to be bigger than the aluminum foil on the outside. But both pieces must never touch and if they do they will short out the battery. Fill up the cup to the top with regular tap water from the sink. Take a piece of aluminum foil that is a half inch or smaller in thickness and place it in the middle of the water, it must not touch the other pieces of aluminum; it should only be touching water.

Connect the outer piece of aluminum foil to the positive of a 9 volt battery and the inner piece of aluminum foil to the negative. Take your meter and connect the positive of the meter to positive of the battery. The negative of your meter will connect to the half inch or smaller piece that will hang in the middle of the water, Move that piece around to find the best voltages. You should now be reading more voltage then what your battery has.
Title: Re: More Voltage out than in – Water Captret
Post by: nul-points on December 22, 2010, 02:19:02 PM
think this effect is relying on what is called  'concentration' galvanic cell action:

instead of using two dissimilar metals and an electrolyte, it's possible to use the same metal for both electrodes

then either you have each electrode in a slightly different concentration of electrolyte - or - (as in your case, i believe) you have different sizes of electrodes in contact with the same electrolyte (water, in your case)

so your total system is a DIY galvanic cell in series with a DIY capacitor (outer film of foil) then that is in parallel across your battery

possible that extra energy from the ionic charges in the water is adding slight charge to your battery

there may also be some element of hybrid electrolysis/galvanic cell action between main battery & your external DIY cell


hope this throws some light on the setup  :)

Title: Re: More Voltage out than in – Water Captret
Post by: gravityblock on December 22, 2010, 03:04:08 PM
Try adding borax or baking soda to the tap water.

Quote from: Borax
I have observed an interesting N type negative resistance effect that happens only when the tip of a very sharp aluminum electrode is just barely touching the top surface of the solution.

Borax solution,

Title: Re: More Voltage out than in – Water Captret
Post by: gravityblock on December 22, 2010, 03:18:34 PM
Baking Soda Variable Electrolytic Capacitor,

Title: Re: More Voltage out than in – Water Captret
Post by: ibpointless2 on December 23, 2010, 02:06:08 PM
In doing more experiments I have confirmed that there is no water battery effect in the water Captret. First clue was that two similar metals don’t produce a galvanic reaction. The next and the biggest clue was when I replaced the small aluminum strip with copper or steel and the opposite happen, the voltage went down as if the copper or steel acted more like a resistor just because it couldn’t tune into the aluminum of the other plates.  Also with a galvanic reaction one of the metals break down and fall into the water which changes the color of the water, the Water Captret is still clear and clean.

So far it works great with other batteries; I’ve tried 12 volt, 1.5 volts, and 9 volts. All batteries seem to get an increase in output voltage and that increase is able to charge a capacitor.

Also something weird happens when you disconnect the battery; it seems the captret part will hold a charge that acts like an electret. The charge is small but when shorted it and allowed to sit for a few seconds it will bounce back up.

The reason why I think it’s getting a voltage increase has to do with the capacitance and the third plate.

So far the simple fact is that I’m getting more voltage out, and it’s able to charge a capacitor, and I’m only using water and aluminum foil and not any complex coils or circuits. The Water Captret is easy to build and requires no knowledge of coils or any real circuit knowledge.

 It’s simple putting more voltage out than what I put in.
Title: Re: More Voltage out than in – Water Captret
Post by: ibpointless2 on December 30, 2010, 01:08:23 AM
It’s all starting to make sense now.

I’ve been playing with a type of water battery that is very different than the ordinary water battery in that it uses the same metals and not dis-similar metals that other water batteries use. With this water battery I’m able to get voltage when both plates are put in water. Both plates are Aluminum foil, ones thicker than the other and the size of them affect it too. With these water batteries they can be shorted out for long periods of time and once you take the short off they still have the same voltage.

So why is this important?

Well if we look at the Capacitor we’ll start seeing some similarities. Both a capacitor and my water battery (water captret) have plates that are the same metal and which is aluminum. Both Hold voltage and the amount of voltage are dependent on the thickness and size. So what happens when you short out a capacitor? There’s a mysterious bounce back of voltage, as if it is just like the water battery (water captret).  So now it’s all making sense, the water battery (water captret) is just a brother (if not clone) of the capacitor. Water captret effect would explain why capacitors gain voltage even though they were shorted out; it’s due to the aluminum plates in the liquid.

Now time for a little more craziness. Those of you who know about me I’ve started this thing called the captret, it’s basically takes one capacitor and gives another Lead by using the case. So the case of a capacitor is aluminum too and at a different size than the aluminum inside the capacitor, and since its aluminum I can use it to get voltage too. Since the water captret is just a capacitor I can easily make it a captret too just by adding another piece of aluminum of different size. So I can have the water captret have one positive plate and two, three, four, or however many negative plates as I want with each producing their own voltage.

This is just must me putting forth why I think capacitors have a spontaneous self-charge on them even when left shorted out. I’ve come to this conclusion due to my studies of the Water captret “water battery” use of similar metals.  Hope this helps others in their confusion with capacitors; it seems they’re much simpler and much more complicated than once thought. Now all we got to do is figure out why two similar metals give a voltage.
Title: Re: More Voltage out than in – Water Captret
Post by: ibpointless2 on February 11, 2011, 03:17:00 AM
Thought I would come back to this idea of a water battery that used similar meal plates instead of the usual different metal plates. The problem that faced the normal different metal water battery was the galvanic reaction that ate away at one of the metals, with my water battery I was trying to keep this from happening.

I always wondered about using distilled water instead of tap water, and so I gave it a shot. Distilled water does not work well, if not at all. It seems the minerals thats inside of the tap water is key to making it all work. The mineral that is most noticeable is calcium, due to it leaving a white power substance on the plates.

Even when my new type of water battery is left to sit and all the water evaporates from it you can add more water and the cell will come back to life. Even shorting it out has no negative effects on the cells. So far the only bad thing is the fact that the water will evaporate, but placing plastic wrap over the cup keeps the water in.

So far what I know is that there is no galvanic reaction that occurs in my batteries because they use the same metals. Shorting them out extends their life. The minerals in the tap water are very important to its operation much like a crystal battery. Its as if i’m tapping nature itself, also the cells work better when heated or the ambient room temp is high.