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Offline magnetman12003

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MODIFIED BEDINI SALE ON EBAY
« on: December 18, 2010, 12:42:59 AM »

Check out the below link and follow from there.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110625717055

Unless someone has made an exact replication and can prove differently I believe free energy has been liberated  by using a single 1.5 AA alkaline battery as means to trip it.
Proceeds go to charity.

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MODIFIED BEDINI SALE ON EBAY
« on: December 18, 2010, 12:42:59 AM »

Offline Omnibus

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Re: MODIFIED BEDINI SALE ON EBAY
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2010, 04:21:19 AM »
Is this self-sustaining?

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MODIFIED ELECTRONIC BOX SALE ON EBAY
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2010, 05:46:23 AM »

Check out the below link and follow from there.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110625717055

Unless someone has made an exact replication and can prove differently I believe free energy has been liberated  by using a single 1.5 AA alkaline battery as means to trip it.
Proceeds go to charity.

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MODIFIED ELECTRONIC BOX SALE ON EBAY
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2010, 05:46:23 AM »
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Re: MODIFIED BEDINI SALE ON EBAY
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2010, 06:10:37 AM »
The burden of proof lies with the inventor, not the overunity community.

I think the "no returns accepted" statement speaks for itself, in my humble opinion.

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Re: MODIFIED BEDINI SALE ON EBAY
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2010, 06:20:15 AM »
Oh come ON. What is the first thing you'd do with an OU device? Sell it for 'charity?' No way. You'd hook it up to your mains power and run your house off it. That's what I'd do. Then I'd show you video of it POWERING SOMETHING other than LED's. Then, if I for some bizarre reason felt the need to auction it off for 'charity' I would. Incidentally, all I see is an auction for some sort of device with zero proof of any of the proceeds going to 'charity.'

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Re: MODIFIED BEDINI SALE ON EBAY
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Re: MODIFIED ELECTRONIC BOX SALE ON EBAY
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2010, 06:34:12 AM »
Check out the below link and follow from there.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110625717055

Unless someone has made an exact replication and can prove differently I believe free energy has been liberated  by using a single 1.5 AA alkaline battery as means to trip it.
Proceeds go to charity.

1)  I agree with happyfunball on every one of his points so I won't rehash (too much)  LOL.
2)  Show this thing running REAL heavy inductive loads like a filament lamp not pathetic led's.  LED lamps are very misleading as we all know that you can run leds with high potential and low amps while still leaving some impressive overflow for the multimeter demonstration.  Enough said there.
3)  I have seen enough of the circuit on youtube to know that is nothing.  Firstly it's not his idea which is just insulting to the real inventor and secondly this isn't running in perpetuity.
4)  He provides no real data just some vague comments of it draining a 1.5 volt battery over 3 hours or whatever....and??? ...what about the load data??....yeh...if you put too much info it would show it to be useless THATS WHY!!

Charity my ass.  I knew of a guy that labelled his beer fridge a charity so that he felt comfortable telling everyone "all proceeds go to charity"  LOL.  This fella probably has the same white lie philosophy.

Terrible.

E-Goose

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Re: MODIFIED ELECTRONIC BOX SALE ON EBAY
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2010, 02:19:45 PM »
I knew of a guy that labelled his beer fridge a charity so that he felt comfortable telling everyone "all proceeds go to charity"

That's a good one

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Re: MODIFIED ELECTRONIC BOX SALE ON EBAY
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: MODIFIED BEDINI SALE ON EBAY
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2010, 03:38:24 PM »
From the answers to the questions on the ebay listing:

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A: The starting "OUTPUT" voltage across the 4 lamps measured 68.6 volts and the current .28ma So we are looking at .019208 watts across 4 lighted lamps. A 6 Hour 28 minute run time resulted.

So let's run the numbers. Take the "starting OUTPUT" and just assume it's constant for the whole 6.5 hours. How much ENERGY has been put through the lighted lamps?

I get this:  0.02 Watts for (6.5)(60)(60)seconds, or 468 Joules.

What do you get?

Now, how much ENERGY is in a typical modern AA battery? Let's just use an ordinary one off the shelf which has 2000 mA-H capacity, and let's use the ENDING voltage of the battery used in the device: 1.25 volts.

So I get this:
The battery contains (1.25)(2000) milliWatt-hours of energy, or
(1.25)(2000)(60)(60) milliWatt-seconds of energy, or
9000 Joules.

So the energy content of the AA battery is about 18 or 20 times greater than the energy output of the device, totalled up over the 6.5 hours of runtime.

It is always possible that I have misplaced a decimal point or divided when I should have multiplied or something, so I encourage everyone to repeat my calculations, just in case this device is 500 percent efficient instead of only 5 percent.

Meanwhile, I am going to have another cup of coffee, with a stout shot of brandy in it, because it's cold in here and my Ainslie heater doesn't seem to be working properly.

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Re: MODIFIED BEDINI SALE ON EBAY
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2010, 04:04:57 PM »
From the answers to the questions on the ebay listing:

So let's run the numbers. Take the "starting OUTPUT" and just assume it's constant for the whole 6.5 hours. How much ENERGY has been put through the lighted lamps?

I get this:  0.02 Watts for (6.5)(60)(60)seconds, or 468 Joules.

What do you get?

Now, how much ENERGY is in a typical modern AA battery? Let's just use an ordinary one off the shelf which has 2000 mA-H capacity, and let's use the ENDING voltage of the battery used in the device: 1.25 volts.

So I get this:
The battery contains (1.25)(2000) milliWatt-hours of energy, or
(1.25)(2000)(60)(60) milliWatt-seconds of energy, or
9000 Joules.

So the energy content of the AA battery is about 18 or 20 times greater than the energy output of the device, totalled up over the 6.5 hours of runtime.

It is always possible that I have misplaced a decimal point or divided when I should have multiplied or something, so I encourage everyone to repeat my calculations, just in case this device is 500 percent efficient instead of only 5 percent.

Meanwhile, I am going to have another cup of coffee, with a stout shot of brandy in it, because it's cold in here and my Ainslie heater doesn't seem to be working properly.

i got a good laugh...   :D

i cant imagine anyone foolish enough to try and sell them on ebay ...  i got a warning ...  it wasent friendly ...

hummmm.

so i abide by the warning .. 
i dont sell my work .. i present it public .. it represents ownership...
origonality ..is hard to find.. but so are good inventors that can spell well  ;D

osiris

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Re: MODIFIED BEDINI SALE ON EBAY
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2010, 04:04:57 PM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: MODIFIED BEDINI SALE ON EBAY
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2010, 04:22:01 PM »
The fellow's two YT videos are "comments disabled".

So it's likely that he fully understands what he's doing, and since he's stating his power figures ... well, if somebody wants to pay 500 dollars for a kludged-up pulse motor when you can do the same thing with no moving parts (see Steorn !!) I suppose that's up to them.

Let the buyer beware !!

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Re: MODIFIED BEDINI SALE ON EBAY
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2010, 04:47:02 PM »
From the answers to the questions on the ebay listing:

So let's run the numbers. Take the "starting OUTPUT" and just assume it's constant for the whole 6.5 hours. How much ENERGY has been put through the lighted lamps?

I get this:  0.02 Watts for (6.5)(60)(60)seconds, or 468 Joules.

What do you get?

Now, how much ENERGY is in a typical modern AA battery? Let's just use an ordinary one off the shelf which has 2000 mA-H capacity, and let's use the ENDING voltage of the battery used in the device: 1.25 volts.

So I get this:
The battery contains (1.25)(2000) milliWatt-hours of energy, or
(1.25)(2000)(60)(60) milliWatt-seconds of energy, or
9000 Joules.

So the energy content of the AA battery is about 18 or 20 times greater than the energy output of the device, totalled up over the 6.5 hours of runtime.

It is always possible that I have misplaced a decimal point or divided when I should have multiplied or something, so I encourage everyone to repeat my calculations, just in case this device is 500 percent efficient instead of only 5 percent.

Meanwhile, I am going to have another cup of coffee, with a stout shot of brandy in it, because it's cold in here and my Ainslie heater doesn't seem to be working properly.

Problem is we don't need to know what the energy content of the battery is, as is obviously your impression. What we need to know what the actual amount of energy has been consumed during these 6.5 hours. Do you know it?

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Re: MODIFIED BEDINI SALE ON EBAY
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2010, 04:47:02 PM »
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Re: MODIFIED BEDINI SALE ON EBAY
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2010, 05:42:09 PM »
He says the battery started at 1.5 volts and the device stopped running at 1.25 volts, 6.5 hours later.
If the battery contained a measly 2000 mA-H to begin with, that means it will supply 2 amps for an hour -- or about 300 mA continuously for 6.5 hours -- BEFORE the voltage drops appreciably, and modern batteries, especially alkalines, have a pretty flat initial discharge curve and a steep dropoff at the end.

So which numbers don't you agree with, the 9000 Joules input (the battery's entire charge) input to the system, or the numbers FROM THE BUILDERS own measurements, of the 468 Joules output of the system?

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Re: MODIFIED BEDINI SALE ON EBAY
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2010, 05:57:38 PM »
He says the battery started at 1.5 volts and the device stopped running at 1.25 volts, 6.5 hours later.
If the battery contained a measly 2000 mA-H to begin with, that means it will supply 2 amps for an hour -- or about 300 mA continuously for 6.5 hours -- BEFORE the voltage drops appreciably, and modern batteries, especially alkalines, have a pretty flat initial discharge curve and a steep dropoff at the end.

So which numbers don't you agree with, the 9000 Joules input (the battery's entire charge) input to the system, or the numbers FROM THE BUILDERS own measurements, of the 468 Joules output of the system?

I already said what I don't agree with. Read carefully what I write. And ... leave the builder alone. Again, do you know how much energy was consumed? Where are the results of your measurements of the input and the output energy?

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: MODIFIED BEDINI SALE ON EBAY
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2010, 06:12:03 PM »
The builder's own measurements aren't good enough for you?
The only thing in my numbers that did NOT come from the builder's measurements and statements is the energy content of the battery.

Perhaps he used a nearly-depleted battery of inferior quality that was just about to tumble over its discharge cliff and drop voltage, and only contained 400 Joules to begin with.

So you are absolutely right, Omni. I have no idea, I am assuming that he would use an off the shelf, new battery...like he says he did.

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Re: MODIFIED BEDINI SALE ON EBAY
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2010, 06:17:24 PM »
i will say ... its real i have many units that operate identical ..

he is honest .. and he is correct in asking 500 bucks ..
dont like his price .. pay his labour .. or build your own ..

osiris

ill garentee he has spent far more in labour than 500 could buy you in man hours on it .. 


 

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