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Title: machine converts plastic into oil @ 20cents a litre
Post by: jikwan on November 21, 2010, 07:16:33 AM
this is big innovation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGGabrorRS8&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: machine converts plastic into oil @ 20cents a litre
Post by: nievesoliveras on November 21, 2010, 11:37:29 AM
The only thing we need now is the plans to make a replica of it.

Jesus
Title: Re: machine converts plastic into oil @ 20cents a litre
Post by: jikwan on November 21, 2010, 11:48:02 AM
buy one - $9000
strip it down
make a modification / improvement
that should enable you to even manufacture it
without patent law (my understanding of it) interference
or a bunch of guys pooling 9000
sooner or later somebody will do it
Title: Re: machine converts plastic into oil @ 20cents a litre
Post by: ramset on November 21, 2010, 03:01:58 PM
Jikwan,
Nice [Very]!!
Seems like an awful simple concept ,with a big payback?
He Cooks it ,runs it thru a bubbler and Wallah!!

I see things differently now!!
Garbage = Fuel
Plastic ->heat -> fuel [20 cents a liter ]

I would imagine there is a VERY TRICKY part,to keep you from going to hot to fast and making Kaboom!!

I'd love to see more vids on this proccess,Have you seen it in your travels??   

Thanks ,
Chet



Title: Re: machine converts plastic into oil @ 20cents a litre
Post by: jikwan on November 21, 2010, 03:59:12 PM
this is very very big
solves the plastic waste problem
and its only just now i hear of it
looks like the guy been doing it a long time

chet, yes, theres some more info from my source

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=145096

including the 20c/lit
Title: Re: machine converts plastic into oil @ 20cents a litre
Post by: ramset on November 21, 2010, 04:07:26 PM
Jikwan
Do you have a link directly to the info?
This Compu I'm using has "Issues" with "speed".
Thanks
Chet
Title: Re: machine converts plastic into oil @ 20cents a litre
Post by: Sprocket on November 21, 2010, 04:16:18 PM
I see a couple of problems, first it must take a lot of energy to melt & boil off the plastic.  Second, this is not a new idea - I'm sure it was posted on this forum, 1-2 years ago about some american start-up that had a proven process of converting garbage of every kind from landfills to hydrocarbon-based fuel.  Whatever happened to them???

Come to think of it, someone should start a thread titled "Whatever happened to..." to highlight the number of seemingly revolutionary ideas that seemed sure-fire winners but were never heard of again...
Title: Re: machine converts plastic into oil @ 20cents a litre
Post by: jikwan on November 21, 2010, 04:25:16 PM
chet, its a conspiracy forum
it has all kinds of things on it
its the very best of its kind imo

its a thread currently running into 9 pages
everybodys excited about it
i right clicked to get send link
the link they give is the same as what
i posted on here

the 20cent cost to heat the plas
may or may not be on that thread
might be in the other articles i read
hell if i can remember what sites i used
Title: Re: machine converts plastic into oil @ 20cents a litre
Post by: jikwan on November 21, 2010, 04:31:57 PM
sprocket,
like hell if i can find my "20cent" source
i read it somewhere and it seemed valid

if it took 2$ to heat absolutly no one would
use it

also this guy is japanese
sounds as though hes the inventor
Title: Re: machine converts plastic into oil @ 20cents a litre
Post by: ResinRat2 on November 21, 2010, 04:40:41 PM
In the Polymer Synthesis Lab where I work we manufacture many Resins at high temperatures and under pressure. We avoid going above 445°F (229°C) because the polymers begin to de-polymerize as well as polymerize. My guess is that this is simply what he is doing. He is heating the material above 450°F (232°F) and cracking the polymers, this unit then distills the product into the water-containing collection reservoir.

This is not complicated at all. You just need a reactor that is sealed and has a distillation tube at the top. Since our petroleum products are made from oil in the same way you should, overall, get more energy out from the distillates than is required to run the process.

This looks like a very simple way to recycle our waste plastics.
Title: Re: machine converts plastic into oil @ 20cents a litre
Post by: ramset on November 21, 2010, 05:25:24 PM
Resin
It's An OU concept of sorts?
Gives the poor man a resource he never had,turns Garbage into a product!

I do see why it would be hard to "Mainstream",or get investors and such,The regulations would regulate it into a loosing proposition in no time.
However It has great potential if approached in the "smart"
way.
ie, from an environmental perspective and recycling a resource previously considered "garbage"[gov't funding]

To know the Cycletime from start to finish ,garbage in gas out /watts used per liter  of gas ,would be great!!
Chet
Title: Re: machine converts plastic into oil @ 20cents a litre
Post by: ramset on November 21, 2010, 06:12:07 PM
Jikwan
I see you fixed the link!![or it fixed itself]
Quote:

One kilogram of plastic produces almost one liter of oil. To convert that amount takes about 1 kilowatt of electricity, which is approximately ¥20 or 20 cents’ worth.
From Here
http://ourworld.unu.edu/en/plastic-to%20-oil-fantastic/

A No Brainer!!
Chet
PS
ResinRat what would the byproduct be
Could we play with this here??{a Hillbilly still of sorts?]

Edit
Would be really cool to use the sun [parabolic dish and focus lense] to heat this up!!

Title: Re: machine converts plastic into oil @ 20cents a litre
Post by: jikwan on November 21, 2010, 06:44:29 PM
it gets interesting.......

Giant microwave turns plastic back to oil

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn12141

part of the article.....Similarly, running 9.1 kilograms of ground-up tyres through the Hawk-10 produces 4.54 litres of diesel oil, 1.42 cubic metres of combustible gas, 1 kg of steel and 3.40 kg of carbon black

they have these fantastic machines and we
dont know of it?
Title: Re: machine converts plastic into oil @ 20cents a litre
Post by: ResinRat2 on November 21, 2010, 08:21:11 PM


ResinRat what would the byproduct be
Could we play with this here??{a Hillbilly still of sorts?]

Edit
Would be really cool to use the sun [parabolic dish and focus lense] to heat this up!!

You would need a lot more than sun to heat it up. Getting a container-full of plastic would have to be heated above 450°F. I have never broken plastics so I have no knowledge of what it would take exactly. Talk to a Chemical Engineer.  Since plastics are long hydrocarbon chains you are breaking the bonds into shorter chains. Gasoline is like 5 to 12 hydrocarbon chains, and these would boil over in the distillation unit as soon as they are formed. LOL!  I guess this is like a hillbilly still. In a hillbilly still you are boiling over ethanol, which is a two carbon alcohol.

Chevron lists the boiling point of their gasoline as 100-400°F. So as soon as the plastics start to crack you will be boiling over the by-products. You will also be getting off gases like methane, ethane, propane, and butane. These will be lost. Pentane is highly volatile but will be one of the first liquid portions formed. Then come the other hydrocarbon liquid chains.

This actually seems interesting. Collect all the plastics and form your own volatile gasoline mixtures. It would be hard to do quality control though. You need to do fractional distillation to further refine the mixtures, and this takes more specialized distillation equipment. Maybe not too possible for the backyard "still" type of chemists (LOL!). You don't want to form "Racing Fuel" to use in your car; and unless you can further analyze the mixture by using Gas Chromatography you will never know what you have.

This might be better handled by Companies set up to do this type of refinement.

RR2

 
Title: Re: machine converts plastic into oil @ 20cents a litre
Post by: ramset on November 21, 2010, 10:24:23 PM
ResinRat
Quote:
You would need a lot more than sun to heat it up. Getting a container-full of plastic would have to be heated above 450°F
____________________
I've heard of old satelite Dish's doing hotter [covered in Mylar]
But have a look Here


http://cleantechnica.com/2009/08/30/backyard-solar-dish-melts-steel/
Title: Re: machine converts plastic into oil @ 20cents a litre
Post by: nievesoliveras on November 22, 2010, 12:33:14 AM
To get the money invested back you have to distill 1800 liters.
But you still have to pay the .20 cents of energy for each gallon.
Also risk health with the machine fumes.
So it is too expensive for the normal person.

Jesus
Title: Re: machine converts plastic into oil @ 20cents a litre
Post by: canuck22 on November 22, 2010, 04:46:58 AM
already being done

http://www.zerowasteottawa.com/en/
Title: Re: machine converts plastic into oil @ 20cents a litre
Post by: ramset on November 22, 2010, 02:08:22 PM
Thanks Canuck22
Yes A no Brainer!!
Chet
Title: Re: machine converts plastic into oil @ 20cents a litre
Post by: Hope on September 20, 2013, 05:49:50 PM
This machine can't be that much different that the geet fuel reactor.   It must just use a controlled heat source to exchange all of the matter into gases.  Couple a hydrogen heat source within a closed system geet and send the product through a water filter.