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marianpiti

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #300 on: December 16, 2010, 01:31:13 PM »
I will give you an idea:
you are generating a torque with your will and you need to use part of that to control your magnet bar. Closer to the center of the big wheel you are, less torque you consume from what is generated. Then, to move up/down the bar you dont need to take from the axis on up/down...you can use left/right and in this way you make economy of torque (energy). I dont know if you get the point, but this is the only way...generate something and try to use a small part from that to control your magnet bar. As it is now, is wrong...everything you produce during rotation, you loose because the friction at that radius is way to big. Take the impulse from a point closer to the center, this will change everything.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #301 on: December 16, 2010, 02:02:32 PM »
@marianpiti,

I don't get your point. Could you please draw something to make it clearer.

maw2432

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #302 on: December 19, 2010, 02:27:03 PM »
@CLaNZeR,

Any progress with your replication?

Bill

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #303 on: December 19, 2010, 02:46:50 PM »
Marianpiti
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 Take the impulse from a point closer to the center, this will change everything.
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Do you have a technique for doing this?

,Or is this a Hunch?

Thanks
Chet

marianpiti

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #304 on: December 19, 2010, 03:20:47 PM »
I will put here a picture of my model from last year, and you will understand what I mean...but I have some things to do...there is Christmas preparations and my wife dont care about other things for the moment.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #305 on: December 21, 2010, 06:10:05 PM »
A variation on the v-gate motor.

The pic describes it best. Keep the vgate stationary and rotate 3 equally spaced egg beaters with sets of 3 separately rotating drive mags around it.

When the drive mags reach the sticky spot at the end of the vgate, the drive rotors "step" (rotate) over it and reengage the ramp just past the gate.

I hope someone with an existing apparatus likes this enough to try it, I have no opportunity to build it until next summer.

 ;)

Omnibus

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #306 on: December 21, 2010, 06:47:52 PM »
A variation on the v-gate motor.

The pic describes it best. Keep the vgate stationary and rotate 3 equally spaced egg beaters with sets of 3 separately rotating drive mags around it.

When the drive mags reach the sticky spot at the end of the vgate, the drive rotors "step" (rotate) over it and reengage the ramp just past the gate.

I hope someone with an existing apparatus likes this enough to try it, I have no opportunity to build it until next summer.

 ;)

Looks similar to what @Dusty did. You have now to figure out, as @Dusty has to, how to disengage the rotating magnets when over the sticky spot and then engage them past it. This engagement and disengagement has to be done by the machine itself through a clever mechanism. I'm not sure it would be easier to do and with less losses than what @Roobert33 proposes. All these devices require negative feedback and it's a matter of engineering ingenuity to find out the practical solution to that.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #307 on: December 21, 2010, 07:01:43 PM »
@CLaNZeR,

Any progress with your replication?

Bill

Last post from Clanzer was Nov. 30th.
At that point it looked like he was very close to doing a replication (working or not).

3 weeks later, no update... hmm.
Hope all is well Clanzer.

Best Regards,
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el-tigre

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #308 on: December 21, 2010, 11:35:24 PM »
Thanks for the comments Omni.

The hypothesis for this machine is that the momentum of rotation will automatically carry the egg beaters over the sticky spot.  i.e.   when a rotor magnet approaches the spot, it will tend to slow but the rest of the egg beater style rotor will then be carried past due to momentum which causes the egg beater to rotate on its own independent axle over the sticky spot - which causes the topmost rotor mag to approach the vgate magnets and engage them. (remember how the blades move in those old fashioned hand crank pencil sharpeners)

Continued momentum will then roll (twist) the now trailing rotor mag stalled over the sticky spot up and away which will free the egg beater to rotate back into the drive position for another trip around the vgate.  like a large gear engaging a small gear (planetary gear set  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfpQTpLurv0&NR=1   but the center (sun gear) is fixed and there is no exterior ring gear). 

Sorry, not able to animate it myself maybe somebody with a simulator can?  Obviously, the rotor mags should be covered on 3 sides with iron or mu-metal to reduce (redirect) magnetic attraction as they are twisted up and away from the sticky spot. 

Will this action slide and roll the rotor mags and the vgate mags apart (requiring less force) rather than pulling them apart like a cam lifter (requiring maximum force)?

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #309 on: December 22, 2010, 03:37:20 AM »
Thanks for the comments Omni.

The hypothesis for this machine is that the momentum of rotation will automatically carry the egg beaters over the sticky spot.  i.e.   when a rotor magnet approaches the spot, it will tend to slow but the rest of the egg beater style rotor will then be carried past due to momentum which causes the egg beater to rotate on its own independent axle over the sticky spot - which causes the topmost rotor mag to approach the vgate magnets and engage them. (remember how the blades move in those old fashioned hand crank pencil sharpeners)

Continued momentum will then roll (twist) the now trailing rotor mag stalled over the sticky spot up and away which will free the egg beater to rotate back into the drive position for another trip around the vgate.  like a large gear engaging a small gear (planetary gear set  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfpQTpLurv0&NR=1   but the center (sun gear) is fixed and there is no exterior ring gear). 

Sorry, not able to animate it myself maybe somebody with a simulator can?  Obviously, the rotor mags should be covered on 3 sides with iron or mu-metal to reduce (redirect) magnetic attraction as they are twisted up and away from the sticky spot. 

Will this action slide and roll the rotor mags and the vgate mags apart (requiring less force) rather than pulling them apart like a cam lifter (requiring maximum force)?

Now, again, there was a proposal similar to that couple of years ago called 'Grandpaw's Shop Magnet Motor Plans'. The guy was even selling them on ebay and there was a bit of discussion about that. I wonder if anyone actually tried to make a model. Also, there was one Lego proposal on youtube ostensibly showing a working motor based on a similar idea but it was said that it's in fact a video shown in reverse. So, I hate to disappoint you but it seems it has already been around as an idea. The problem in this field is that only very few folks have even the basic tools to make a good model and all that remains are ideas which are basically very similar.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #310 on: December 24, 2010, 02:47:56 AM »
Hi all ,To mirrian I'm not sure what your saying,...the closer to the axis the more torque is required to turn the wheel?? This has been my expierence. To el-tigre,...momentum alone will not work eventually the magnetic attraction will bring the wheel to a stop.It will jump past the spot but, only until the intial input is used up.I've never used the v-gate though, so I could be wrong...........shylo

maw2432

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #311 on: December 25, 2010, 02:39:18 PM »
Last post from Clanzer was Nov. 30th.
At that point it looked like he was very close to doing a replication (working or not).

3 weeks later, no update... hmm.
Hope all is well Clanzer.

Best Regards,
                     The Observer


Not sure how bad things are in the UK  but I got this message the last few days when trying access the UK site where Clanzer posts his results....

"Sorry Overunity.org.uk is Offline till further notice."

Bill

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #312 on: December 25, 2010, 04:34:15 PM »
 ???
Has anyone noticed that Clanzer's page actually has a one line message on it if you scroll through many blank pages? It simply says... "It is easy when you know how, just do not let others know, you know how."

Sounds a bit ominous...

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #313 on: December 25, 2010, 06:22:08 PM »
Perma
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Sounds a bit ominous..............
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Sounds like a happy ending to me![couldn't happen to a better fellow],I hope he gets it out there!

Chet

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #314 on: December 25, 2010, 09:42:24 PM »
???
Has anyone noticed that Clanzer's page actually has a one line message on it if you scroll through many blank pages? It simply says... "It is easy when you know how, just do not let others know, you know how."

Sounds a bit ominous...

@Perma

Hmmmm maybe he got it working then the MIB closed him down?

I hope all is ok.   

Bill
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