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Author Topic: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33  (Read 464791 times)

Offline ramset

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #90 on: November 20, 2010, 01:10:44 PM »
Qwert
So this is what you're man calloway has to say,
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Nobody seems to believe anything. The V Track motor will work by lifting the stator magnet above the sticky spot using a cam mechanism. But the lever on the bottom plate raises a magnet by the same cam to assist in pulling at the start of the V magnets on the rotor wheel. It is a complete attraction design. This gives the rotor wheel enough speed and power to overcome lifting the stator magnet. See the video here. This same principle can be applied to a PFI application. I have talked about this extensively on this website. There is even more advances to this design by using up to 4 stator magnets to help get through the sticky spot.

And this is the link he posts in the above text

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLek_3Hpwus&feature=player_embedded

Chet  PS
Contact has been made
I removed the # from this post [if you need it you can get it in the link]

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THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION"WTH??"!!
« Last Edit: November 20, 2010, 09:32:50 PM by ramset »

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #91 on: November 20, 2010, 02:37:21 PM »
Just a little visualization help.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #92 on: November 20, 2010, 02:39:10 PM »
Continuation.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #92 on: November 20, 2010, 02:39:10 PM »
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #93 on: November 20, 2010, 05:14:47 PM »
Suppose this device actually works. What does anyone even know about replicating it? Everyone already knows that a normal "V" gate device increases in attraction as it approaches the end of the track, and for the same reason takes more energy to overcome the attraction, so it will not work.

So now if it does work, then how? Is it a "v" gate working in repel? (also does not work)
Are the rotor magnets even magnets or are they steel?
If they are magnets, what are the polarities?
Which direction are the poles on the stator magnet?
On the ends like a normal "V" gate?
It looks to be a flat thin magnet which usually have the poles on the large faces.
Or is it a flat magnet with the poles on the edges?
Is it even a magnet or a steel stator bar?

I'm thinking replication is not so straight forward, especially in view of the fact that everyone already knows the normal "V" gate configuration does not work.




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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #94 on: November 20, 2010, 05:26:20 PM »
Qwert
So this is what you're man calloway has to say,
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It is a complete attraction design.

IMO the small magnet down on the lever is in repulsion mode to the rotor (cannot stay there close to the other, down only by weight) , the larger on the top also repulsion to the rotor.
On the rotor all on the one side north up and other south up (in attraction on the the other side).

otherwise the wheel rotate in the other way

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #94 on: November 20, 2010, 05:26:20 PM »
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #95 on: November 20, 2010, 07:21:36 PM »
Well
Stephan should call this man!
I just hung up the phone with "Rob"[not roberto]
From the above posted #
And he is a swell guy!!,a gentlemen!!

Some brief info on Robs config[the green Mr. hand one]

One side of the V is all "N"
One side is all"S"
He told me the Mag at the top of Roberto's is attraction
And also at the bottom[attraction]

He has NO PLANS to sell, has no intentions of selling any!
He's building one with the drum STATIONARY and four
bar mags on the INSIDE of the drum that spin inside the stationary  drum,
He said his is different than the guys in Germany [didn't push that ,I'll let Stephan ask].
He said I could call back when I have more questions regaurding replication [that is Stephans call too]

He says it Works as shown!!

Chet

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #96 on: November 20, 2010, 07:53:55 PM »
@ ramset


If you talk to him again, please ask how long it has run continuously. I assume it will run forever, but what is the longest he has run a test for?

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #97 on: November 20, 2010, 09:04:43 PM »
@All,

Just spoke with Rob too. Basically he told me the same things as he told @ramset. One leg of the V is N, the other leg is S. The magnet on top is magnetized through the length. Same is the mag at the bottom but shorter. The drum of the rotor need not be made of metal, can be plastic but has to be light. Positioning of the elements (mags) of the V can have some discrepancies as seen in the video. The arrangement need not be perfect. All in all there are no special requirements and can be made with less effort than initially thought, save for the form of the cam, especially crucial for the timing. The principle resembles very much that of Walter Torbay's motor we discussed at length here in this forum couple of years ago. Also, turns out, Rob is the guy who proposed the design in question some months ago that was discussed here in this forum, as I already mentioned. Now, the guy who posted the video just took the design and made a real working device. Rob said he doesn't know who that guy is and where he's from and that he (Rob) also used to have an actual working model but didn't feel the need to go public with it. He says this contraption does work. That's in a few words the conversation. If there's anything more I'll drop another line. Let me add also that I too find Rob to be a very fine man, open and forthcoming.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #98 on: November 20, 2010, 09:27:30 PM »
Omni,
Thanks,This ball is in your court now ,much more capable hands then myself.
I will not make anymore calls to Rob [unless absolutely necessary]


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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #98 on: November 20, 2010, 09:27:30 PM »
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #99 on: November 20, 2010, 09:36:36 PM »
Sorry if a bit lost on this one guys.

So this Rob you have been talking to on the phone, is Roobert33 who posted the video?

Cheers

Sean.


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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #100 on: November 20, 2010, 09:37:19 PM »

This idea was discussed extensively months ago in this forum. I wish someone could
dig out the thread. It is wonderful that someone put it in flesh and blood. Good craftsmanship indeed.
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@Omnibus;

One of them at least is here Web Link;

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8398.0

the other Web Link;

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=8867.0

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@All

Even if this doesn't work at first...there is good chance it could be made to
work by cutting the momentum energy required to move the top bar in half.
Beside friction, it's the only real load on the rotation.

I previously said;

a) You can cut the energy required to move the top
piece in half by having two *synchronized* wheels
of opposite polarity running some distance away
from one another. When one wheel shoves the N
pole of the top piece away from it's sticky spot
it also shoves the S pole of the top piece into place
on the other synchronized wheel. The wheels each
makes one power turn, then cams the magnet away,
then one turn idling. That should do it.

It would be a good application for one of those low friction
"banded bearing" mechanisms.

The little flippy magnet at the bottom probably acts as a
gravity based damper against the cam actuation.

:S:MarkSCoffman
« Last Edit: November 21, 2010, 02:37:54 AM by mscoffman »

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #101 on: November 21, 2010, 12:30:53 AM »
Sorry if a bit lost on this one guys.

So this Rob you have been talking to on the phone, is Roobert33 who posted the video?

Cheers

Sean.
i'm a bit lost on this one too sean, but for a different reason. i was under the impression that markdansie was roobert33 because of this post:
Hi Bill,
I sent the video out to many of my friends around the world including Sterling. It was part of 101 sceptics. Everyone passed with flying colours
Except Sterling...you got to love the guy.
mark

but i'm pretty sure the guy chet and omni talked to is not roobert33.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #102 on: November 21, 2010, 12:31:30 AM »
There is another replication here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwLwEs0iu7U&feature=related

Update:
I went to the link on the clip and found this:

« Last Edit: November 21, 2010, 12:57:12 AM by nievesoliveras »

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #103 on: November 21, 2010, 08:45:57 AM »
@CLaNZeR,

The guy I spoke to was not @Robert33. He was the person who answered the phone when I called the number @ramset gave. No connection with @Robert33 whatsoever.

@nievesoliveras,

You certainly noticed the person from the link (some Jason George) says that perpetual motion is "clearly not possible" and the pictured device will not work "when analyzed". Where's the analysis, though? Rob, the person I spoke to yesterday, for one, insists it works when actually built. He said he had one working and that wasn't with much effort or precision.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #104 on: November 21, 2010, 11:28:00 AM »
I am neutral on this one.
The only problem we have had with this self running devices is that we spend a lot of money just to see if it work.

The great thing would be if someone has the materials already and can test if it works without having a great loss of funds.

Jesus

 

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