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Author Topic: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33  (Read 414421 times)

Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #75 on: November 19, 2010, 06:06:49 PM »
My point is, that you can't say anything for sure until you make a real experiment on real subject. And your behaviour guys, is theorization only. I believe that you know that there are some examples in real world where something works against rationality or against human judgement.
Pneumatic motor is not an ICE and not an engine; it works on already energized air, like electric motor works on previously created electric current. Also a "motor" cannot be called an "engine" since "engine" always resembles a generator and "motor" never. And this kind of machine (Roobert's) can be called a generator since it does not rely on earlier created energy. That's why I compare it rather to the ICE and not to the "electric motor".
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And why four-stroke ICE? With human rationality it should not work since three strokes of four are idle, even worse, one of those three is "compression": in fact, it would not work without energy conserving flywheel.
on your first point i agree completely. now let's get to the rest...
really? shall we talk about rockets then? are they motor or engines? and what of an outboard motor...?? and what of a steam engine that works on 'already energized air'?? and now you say a magnet wheel is a generator and therefore should be compared to an internal combustion engine vrs compared to a generator?? LOL
yes i am aware the word 'engine' came from the term 'heat engine' and the word 'motor' came from the term 'electric motor'. regardless, your semantic argument is weak. and now you are running off on a tangential red herring about what can be compared to what...

since we are now arguing semantics i would like to comment on this statement of yours:
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since it does not rely on earlier created energy.
it is said energy cannot be created nor destroyed...

my point was and is that your comment about engines not running without flywheels is laughable, even more so now that you are arguing what is and isn't an engine... and the comparision you made to this vgate wheel is irrelevant, also even more so now that you are arguing what is and isn't an engine.

edit for those who don't know what a flywheel does: flywheels maintain the continuity of motion and smooth out the pulses from individual pistons/cylinders, no matter whether those piston are in a pneumatic engine or an internal combustion engine... in the case of most ICE's, the flywheel includes a harmonic balancer to improve the smoothness of rotation of the flywheel/crankshaft.
« Last Edit: November 19, 2010, 06:37:18 PM by WilbyInebriated »

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #76 on: November 19, 2010, 06:16:25 PM »
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Are you sterlinga's brother?
Only kidding!!

Stephan, Please get more info from Roberto!!
Chet

Hmm... I don't know who sterlina is so that joke went far over my head.   ::)

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #77 on: November 19, 2010, 06:47:52 PM »
just to clear up any semantic red herrings that may appear...

in terms of etymology, originally motor was just another word for mover, especially "the prime mover", i.e., the thing that moves the rest of the device. originally, an engine was any device or system (mechanical, chemical, electrical, or even human, social, or political) that effects a result: a catapult is an engine, a crane is an engine, a bomb is an engine, a political party is an engine, a water-powered mill is an engine, a criminal gang is an engine, and a man with a singleness of purpose is an engine... gradually through the 19th century "engine" became especially (but not exclusively) associated with fire, boilers, furnaces, and bombs -- in short any device that tended to get very hot and explode, but the whole system was still considered "the engine", not just the prime mover (the motor). in the 20th century, americans took to calling a car motor "the engine", even though the suspension system, steering system, braking system, gearing, and whole drive train are really collectively "the engine".

also, the word engine comes from the latin word INGENIUM (from which we also get "ingenious") and prior to the 1800's just meant any contrivance that acheives an intended result. it can be and is still used this way. and "motor" comes from the latin word MOTO. it did not originate with "electric motor",  there were motors long before that. motors powered by wound springs. the fact that faraday felt obliged to put the qualifying adjective "electrical" in front of "motor" implies he did so to distinguish it from the common motors of his day. the same is true for watt's placement of the term "steam" in front of "engine" to qualify what kind of engine it was, and to thus distinguish it from the typical engines of his day...

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qwert, you can post your mea culpa anytime... :)
edit: i'm just teasing on ya man. don't take me serious...
« Last Edit: November 19, 2010, 07:52:03 PM by WilbyInebriated »

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #77 on: November 19, 2010, 06:47:52 PM »
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Offline grizli

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #78 on: November 19, 2010, 07:53:44 PM »
It still seems it may work
Guys.. try to  replicate it :D

IS THIS FAKE ????????



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0oUaPZ_wF8


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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #79 on: November 19, 2010, 08:22:02 PM »
No no replicate this one from 1965, more fun!  ;D

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=1869


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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #79 on: November 19, 2010, 08:22:02 PM »
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Offline WilbyInebriated

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #80 on: November 19, 2010, 08:25:29 PM »
It still seems it may work
Guys.. try to  replicate it :D

IS THIS FAKE ????????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0oUaPZ_wF8
is this fake? ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rySqz7Hgpkk
edit: thread about above video clip is here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=7988.0


No no replicate this one from 1965, more fun!  ;D

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=1869

the snogometer... LOL. good stuff!
« Last Edit: November 19, 2010, 08:45:43 PM by WilbyInebriated »

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #81 on: November 19, 2010, 09:04:24 PM »
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Hmm... I don't know who sterlina is so that joke went far over my head.   
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Sterlinga made the movie[Copy] at the forum opening,He's from Peswiki ,he's chewin on his boot[foot in mouth]right now!!
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #82 on: November 19, 2010, 09:56:11 PM »
This idea was discussed extensively months ago in this forum. I wish someone could dig out the thread. It is wonderful that someone put it in flesh and blood. Good craftsmanship indeed.

As many of you know I have already proved conclusively that CoE can be violated and that energy (unfortunately only portions of energy so far) can be obtained "out of nothing" so it is out of the question to doubt that such device can be made. The problem (a purely engineering problem) is to make a device which produces energy "out of nothing" continuously and the present contraption looks like a very plausible device to achieve that. It would be great if the constrictor can share more details so that some of us can replicate it (his admission of deliberately faking it notwithstanding). I am more than willing to do so even if it in the end turns out to be a non-working construction. I'll do that to gain even more experience than the experience I've acquired so far in this area. Gaining experience is important in shortening the time until a working device comes about. Just talking about it and reading unsolicited "advice" by naysayers, especially from some proven scammers who have dragged the whole forum in their fiasco makes no sense.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #83 on: November 19, 2010, 10:06:06 PM »
I replied to Sterling a couple of days ago with my opinion:

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About time we had another PMM claim. But as usual a shame no detailed information coming forward.
Looking at the video it seems we have the usual V-Track that has been tried before on rotors, like the German Motor. I should think these are magnets, as if just steel bar, I would not see the advantage of using the V-Shape?
 
If they are neodymium's then they do not seem to have the usual shiny coating, but the ends of the rods look more like Alnico magnets?
 
Inside the rotor we can see what looks like a brass counter weight, but we cannot see what is behind the center of the rotor. We could have a battery and a coil hidden in there which gets trigger via the top or bottom external magnet.
 
There seems to many places to hide power source such as the wooden uprights.
If those are magnets on the rotor and the top bar is also a magnet I would expect some vertical movement of the top bar as the magnet fly past it, even if spring loaded.
 
Got a busy weekend a head, but may adapt the V-Rotor I have from the German replication, but not going to the expense and bother to make a exact replication.
If those are 10mm * 10mm neo rods then you are talking about 50 of them on a 6 inch rotor.

Cheers
 
Sean.
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Glad the guy came clean before this weekend, as busy with other stuff :)

But his excuse of having a coil in his shirt is bull****

More like a coil inside the internal rotor if anywhere and the bottom magnet pulsing a reed switch.

Clever stuff though and nice bit of work.

Maybe we should have a fake competition and see who can produce the best !

Cheers

Sean.


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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #84 on: November 19, 2010, 10:16:20 PM »
@CLaNZeR,

I think the guy might as well be pulling our leg, as it were, by "admitting" it's fake. Reverse psychology of sorts. There's more to it, I guess. On the other hand, I'm with you. I need exact dimensions and the stencil of the cam in order to consider replicating it although, like I said, with full understanding that it may not work in the end. As several friends here already posted, I too want to see in person the device and how the guy is actually faking it's motion.  

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #85 on: November 19, 2010, 10:35:23 PM »
you will see that the rpm is fairly erratic throughout
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In all those Tesla-like experiments where sparking is involved, according to the human reasoning the spark should take the closest path, and such path is straight line. In fact it does not look straight: still on its path there are some ions which make the path very erratic.
In this experiment we cannot argue that something cannot work only because its movement is erratic because we see that on video. Heavier flywheel will make it more smooth.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #86 on: November 19, 2010, 10:52:41 PM »
@CLaNZeR,
I think the guy might as well be pulling our leg,  ...
Here is a guy who looks more sociable: http://www.callowayengines.com/index.htm

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #87 on: November 19, 2010, 10:58:02 PM »
@CLaNZeR,

I think the guy might as well be pulling our leg, as it were, by "admitting" it's fake. Reverse psychology of sorts. There's more to it, I guess. On the other hand, I'm with you. I need exact dimensions and the stencil of the cam in order to consider replicating it although, like I said, with full understanding that it may not work in the end. As several friends here already posted, I too want to see in person the device and how the guy is actually faking it's motion. 

Hey Omni

Hope things are good that end.

Yep this is a bit weird that he has came out with The thing up his shirt sleeve metaphor.

I have received a few emails pointing to there is more behind this, but at the moment I am keeping grounded and open minded, but 90% it is a fake and not worth the effort going much further.
In saying that if I am bored oneday, then maybe LOL :)

Got to try keep it fun as usual !

Cheers

Sean.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #88 on: November 20, 2010, 05:47:22 AM »
hi everyone

it is easy for a person to back out easily especially if he is threaten.

for me it is not sin to try and see the truth.  ;)

i don't consider it as a waste of time, cause if we succeed then writing here is even more wasting time.  ;D

p.s. i believe more on legitimate.  ;)

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #89 on: November 20, 2010, 10:28:27 AM »

really?
Thank you for correcting me.
I never was good in symantics. In fact,  I came to conclusions  similar to yours, after reading it again; but, taking under consideration your ability to jump to conclusions, based merely on theoretical reasoning against experimenting, shown in this thread, I concluded you eventually can be  ignorant enough to oversee  my errors. Sorry, I underestimated you.

There are some definitions about the difference between engine and motor. To me this one is most convincing, not yours, sorry:

"If you look at definitions, there is actually no difference. However, most people associate an engine with something that produces power within, while a motor is something that requires outside energy such as electricity."

Read more: What's the difference between an engine and a motor? | Answerbag http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/5431#ixzz15oasFwbb


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