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Author Topic: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33  (Read 465001 times)

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #630 on: December 16, 2011, 10:53:57 PM »


Are there any suggestions as to the SPACING of these magnets along a five degree V-ramp?


Scorch.


PS: OU web form still double spacing everything as I use GOOGLE CHROME.
Hi dear Scorch,
I can only recommend you go with us with this drawing logic http://www.sendspace.com/file/f6fosn
Magnets are arrived and  we had start to read them.Our works started!
http://s07.radikal.ru/i180/1112/21/b3f54aefa1ec.jpg

You are asking the most good question when asking about the gap between magnets.
So, our conclusions are the following in this issue:
-gap shall not be less than 2.3mm and no more 3mm when you are using 10mmx5m Neo magnets
Why it is good question - you need to read your own magnets pole force outlines by the magnet viewer as I had show on video below and some pics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-ILhuvs_TI
http://i026.radikal.ru/1112/8f/1cfbaa1b320c.jpg
 http://s017.radikal.ru/i413/1112/1b/7eaf2f3cfefc.jpg
 http://i058.radikal.ru/1112/8a/379666c2b063.jpg
 

Why you need to read - pole force outlines shall become almost a straight line with just a little "wow" as digit 8. As much outline are straight and do not have "wow" that much V-track will be more powerfull, but here we have warring - do put magnets more close than 2.3mm because huge magnet force degradation will come soon.in gap 3mm it is will lost its magnetic force in 1 year about on 7-10%.Every 1mm additional in gap prolonging the life of magnets on about 2-3% after 2.3mm but you are loosing moment of rotor by increasing of that gap.

To show what I mean by "wow"( sorry for that crazy word, I dont know other to explane in english) , and how outlines of fields are becoming almost straight when you are using neo magnet by mentioned dimensions and gap - hope you can take my (our) advise Sir!

Our news in project progress now already will come soon!


Truly
Rob

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #631 on: December 23, 2011, 12:10:19 AM »
First steps in fabrication of V-gate. We decided to go with flexible gate type to be able to play with it in such need for many different tests.
This gate going to be placed on EPP rotor. Mean time we are going to glue it to rotor dram, but if we will get all what we calculated in math part then this structure going to be placed on rotor by Velcro. Such tech solution will give us ability to change gate magnets in 10 min if they will be damaged or degraded by its force.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cR8ZMHg8ao8

and here is our math source base. finally understood how to show it to you and find it in YT.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKmJVZCoMOI
truly
rob
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #632 on: December 23, 2011, 04:58:20 PM »
Interesting, I also thought about arranging magnets in phi distances etc., but didn't try many experiments. Magnets are a bitch somehow... but maybe there is a way to make permanent magnet motors work with phi maths as a base.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #632 on: December 23, 2011, 04:58:20 PM »
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #633 on: December 24, 2011, 12:02:19 AM »
Guys, I have bad news about my purchased magnet, especially magnet for top bar magnet. Magnetic viewer show us bad picture when we look at the composit magnet magnetic field structure:( God bless us that we have that good tool!!!
so, I made video to warn you all what you shall not to buy for top bar magnets magnets Information based on our experiments with alive V-gate model that we have
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlzHZyqWZJ0

Dear gauschor, you are right!! Magnets are a bitch somehow!!!! and there are no way to understand what we are purchasing :(((((((((
About Phi - if you wish go with our math model, I had put drawings in DXF format and in the PDF format in pages ago,  you can find them. If not tell me and I will live new link here to that drawings and our math model.Hope you will understand our drawing language step by step developed logic

I am absolutely disappointed about fabricated rotor that we have got last night. It is going to be re fabricated by CNC already. I am angry as crazy animal now, sorry guys:( There are no easy ways to get this damn motor... f...ck:( Project postponed up to the end of February... Magnets are arriving 3 weeks to us:(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTvXJKFYnUo

Bar magnet - how it must be at it's range of size based on our tests.File has cad 1:1 scale DXF drawing and its pic. at JPG format.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/e3s41h

We ( all our team guys) want to congratulate you all with coming Christmas and Happy New Year 2012! Wish you best mountain health, happiness and better financial situation at all over the new 2012!

Truly
Rob
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #634 on: December 28, 2011, 06:24:21 PM »
just a little info update  A note from Howard R.Johnson about V-gate
Iput on comments torrent file to download full movie(670mb)
it has russian translation of movie,sorry
truly
rob

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #634 on: December 28, 2011, 06:24:21 PM »
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #635 on: January 01, 2012, 04:10:19 AM »
Hi guys, happy new year!!!
After examining patent presented above, we found out dependence that never noticed.
V- angle has about 5 degree angle, don't you? OK, the first  narrow part of gate - 3 magnets gap for 6x6mm magnets is 6mm, at the next stage when angular distance becoming bigger the gap between magnets also must be changed to bigger.A bit later I will tell you the right dependence of the gaps to angular distance change.Why we had focused to this point and start examination - we noticed that bar magnet not from all places on the flat V-gate has the same attraction force, even there are some place that we did not have attraction absolutely. If V-gate is serial windowed system then from all place at the gate liner distance we shall get the same at taction force, but we did not! So, we had come to the hard conclusion that gap between the magnets has to be different as much as the liner angular distance between N and S sides of gate becoming bigger. We need other portion of experiments to find that dependence formula. We are very close to see our gate perfect guys, this is very good note that we made for us! New Year very good wine help us to think relaxed:))))))))))))
BTW if you have seen the patent and movie you must find difference between announced patent drawing and shown gate setup:) Try to find it, if not , I will show it in my next message, you will be very excited:)Patent do not open all tricks! Now I have to run to my wife parents to say Happy new year:))
P.S. magnet field viewer card is grate tool guys, who are busy with gates developments - just buy it and you can drive your mind conc;usions very easy because you can see all magnet forces, lines etc. amazing staff!!!

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #636 on: January 02, 2012, 01:25:38 AM »
Hi guys, we made Howard R.Jonson patent 5.402.021 gate magnets not full and rough setup and have got this, shown below picture. Amazing field structure, now we have to think how to use sinwave form magnets fields at the gate and rotor.This investigation will go in parallel with general V-gate one as far we never saw such fields before and nobody here told us about such nice picture. Here we are a bit pity because we are starting to think that you are covering very valuable info.

Guess nobody here who are reading this topic want and need to see us successive in this magnet rotor project. If this is true we will stop supply further info to you guys, sorry. We are waiting your help if you know how to use sinwave magnet fields to get rotor running.

Is there anybody here that can explane why Howard R.Jonson gate not provided or explained us as better solution to construct magnet rotor ?
 
http://s61.radikal.ru/i172/1201/82/7c6064b2b32a.gif   - view part of magnet setup from patent

http://s017.radikal.ru/i434/1201/81/af9fb17a8a4f.jpg  - our ruff setup of megnets  based on patent drawing

http://s017.radikal.ru/i442/1201/1c/6040280a5eac.jpg - magnet fields structure

Truly
Rob
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P.S. see our new flat V-gate that can take 1kg load
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDM60mY4vlA
There are only 20 magnets 6x6x15mm neo magnets and general old HDD magnet because it has very interesting to us pole structure.
New gate has approximation of number of magnets.We learn how to reduce magnets, make larger gap between them and do not lose cinetic energy from gate.
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« Last Edit: January 02, 2012, 02:55:20 AM by Arrow »

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #636 on: January 02, 2012, 01:25:38 AM »
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #637 on: January 04, 2012, 08:45:50 AM »
H
i do you know what size of magnets he used

i´m trying to build on

PLEASE : i nead my answer as fast as possible!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you :)

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #638 on: January 04, 2012, 12:23:42 PM »
H
i do you know what size of magnets he used

i´m trying to build on

PLEASE : i nead my answer as fast as possible!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you :)
Hi hund4444
Welcome on board and Merry Christmas!

First of all I recommend you to read pages from 34 up to this one.http://www.overunity.com/10034/new-permanent-magnet-motor-on-youtube-from-roobert33/510/


If you will still be agree after examinations of such huge forum topic info  to construct this motor then take my drawings in Cad DXF format and try to construct.http://www.sendspace.com/file/nzamud It is revers engineering result of video and in scale 1:1.Based on this drawing rotor magnets have 1/2x1/2x1/2 size.64pcs and also it has 1 bar magnet... and one bottom magnets. Up to now I am trying such magnet size and did not get relevant result!.

If you have budjet about $300 and a bit more for this rotor parts and can wait about 12 days then go to this shop and buy magnets or find our your self relevant on line other shops for good Neo magnets.http://apexmagnets.com/?gclid=CP2Ohs_f96sCFcyHDgod2whdYw

To spent money you have to be sure what you are doing, so, if all this warnings did not stop you then you know what you are doing - wish you good start and good finish in this grate project Sir.

Why all this was written info to you ? because up to know from October 30 2011 we are trying to get good results and only pass the half way of it. Probably you will be more lucky than we are!.

Truly
Rob


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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #638 on: January 04, 2012, 12:23:42 PM »
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #639 on: January 05, 2012, 07:34:13 AM »
the video's and pictures dont describe the gate or show it.. i am curious as to the arrangement of the gate.
and where can one get the fluxx paper at a decent price?

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #640 on: January 06, 2012, 09:12:14 AM »
the video's and pictures dont describe the gate or show it.. i am curious as to the arrangement of the gate.
and where can one get the fluxx paper at a decent price?
If understood you correct about "fluxx paper" then they are here:
http://apexmagnets.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&products_id=6
http://apexmagnets.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&products_id=211
What description format of V-gate you want to see Sir?
Guess you are not able to open/use  DXF format,pity..
Tell me your format, I will prepare file format what ever you need.Just explain what you need to see in detail description of V-gate.

Truly
Rob
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #640 on: January 06, 2012, 09:12:14 AM »
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #641 on: January 13, 2012, 09:25:37 AM »
Hi guys, we are still on math model with new structure that we have got based on HRJ patent. Now we are start to use for calculations powerfull software named by Ansys Maxwell 2D/3D http://www.ansoft.com/products/em/maxwell/ and in the same time testing all what we have got from math models - practically all results.

Maxwell can automatically generate both nonlinear equivalent circuits and state-space models from the field parameters that may be further utilized in system and circuit simulation analysis. This provides engineers the ability to perform a comprehensive analysis of the component with its drive circuit, loads and other system parameters.

Here is some video about our first try's to configure magnets math model and some interference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe0QaJVYbUs


Truly
Rob
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #642 on: March 20, 2012, 11:35:47 PM »
Hi guys, I have got video block from YT administration of this motor video replication and what is the most strange I have got blocked video of my own magnet degradation tool experiment that was started in Oct 27 for 1 year.
I took new video with fresh results regarding the demonstration tool
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLj7tjGqTCE
Here the evidence screen shot that YT blocking V-gate motors videos
http://s019.radikal.ru/i627/1203/5c/975970d2934c.jpg
Here the explanation that I have got from YT after video blocking
Regarding V-gate Rooberto 33 video :Информация о Вашем аккаунте MrArrow1961Участники сообщества YouTube отметили одно или несколько из ваших видео как неприемлемые. Отмеченные видео проверяются командой YouTube на предмет нарушения принципов сообщества. После рассмотрения следующих видео мы пришли к выводу, что в них содержатся материалы, нарушающие наши принципы. Список отключенных видео:Магнитный мотор на  неодимовых 64   3 магнитахПодробную информацию о принципах сообщества YouTube и их соблюдении можно узнать в справочном центре: http://www.google.com/support/youtube/bin/answer.py?answer=92486.С уважением,Коллектив YouTube

Regarding my own tool video notification:
Информация о Вашем аккаунте MrArrow1961
Участники сообщества YouTube отметили одно или несколько из ваших видео как неприемлемые. Отмеченные видео проверяются командой YouTube на предмет нарушения принципов сообщества. После рассмотрения следующих видео мы пришли к выводу, что в них содержатся материалы, нарушающие наши принципы. Список отключенных видео:
Инструмент для срав. измерения деградации магнитов
Подробную информацию о принципах сообщества YouTube и их соблюдении можно узнать в справочном центре: http://www.google.com/support/youtube/bin/answer.py?answer=92486.
С уважением,Коллектив YouTube

Guess Google getting crazy! I will try by my all power of telecom guy to find the person who stop this videos as far as Google has their servers at our Data Center  and we have formal relations with its administration.
I will keep you informed what is going on with google.
If someone from this forum know exactly and formally what is going on then you are kindly asked to explane the real reason - why this videos was blocked?
I will find the true in any way as Telecom guy the man who was done it. But first I want to know this forum community confession, declaration as far as only place where video share was here!

Dear Stefan, you have here not good guys I think, please start works with filtration of such crazy users!!!
I will do my best!Some one going to play games with real fire here, I will fnd the Man! Keep going guys! Do your next moves!

Stefan, sorry we are stopping our team participiation in this forum - not secure place!

Regards & Truly
Rob
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #643 on: May 28, 2012, 12:34:24 PM »
Hi guys!

I am new to this forum. I came here by luck and started reading about the V-Gate motor and i got amazed!
For your info, i am an Electronics Engineer and have some good knowledge in mechanics also!

I wont tell if the V-gate motor, that roobert33 built, is true or not! What i have understood is that the problem is the "Sticky point".
What i understand is that the "sticky point's" force is equal or double the force that "moves" or turns around the motor, so when the motor reaches the sticky point it stops or starts turning at the opposite side!

So i have come up with an idea! The concept is to keep the stator magnet at the fixed point that is required to "push" the motor and use another force to push the motor at the sticky point so that it can pass it and continue moving with the magnet power! This force can be gravity! The image below describes exactly what i have in my mind but i can t really test it! I dont have the required parts! So if anyone can try it on an existing V gate motor i would be glad to know the results!
Maybe i am completely wrong but it would worth the 10 minutes that i spent from my free time to think and design this!

Cheers guys and i am waiting for results!
Padelis

http://i.imgur.com/051bW.jpg

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #644 on: October 20, 2012, 05:08:29 AM »
Hi guys. I've read through most of this thread, and I still can't tell if this thing is real or not. Has anyone successfully duplicated this wheel?

If it really works I assume something is being withheld about it's construction. I'm pretty sure the bottom magnet isn't attraction, it has to be repulsion.

I agree the magnets appear to be 1/2" x 1/2". I don't believe they're just iron. The wheel is 4"x 6". The bar is attracting. There has to be more than that going on though.

 

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