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Author Topic: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33  (Read 464530 times)

Offline maw2432

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #615 on: December 10, 2011, 05:07:36 PM »
Two levers are required to make this work.   
The first Lever is the Stator Lever.   The stator needs to be near zero weight,  so weights are added to the threaded stator lever to the left side of pivot pen.   The stator magnet is just over the green rotor wheel.   
More to come.
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #616 on: December 10, 2011, 05:13:36 PM »
The small brown wheel has two small magnets in it that would be used to move the next lever which I will explain later on..
Here are some views of the model.
Bill
 

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #617 on: December 10, 2011, 06:07:16 PM »
The second lever is very important.  We only eleminate most of the weight of the stator with the first lever.   
We now need to move the stator with little effort even though it is being pulled down due to attraction.   
The photo shows a clear piece of plastic for the second lever which would have a magnet on its end.  Repulsion from the brown cog wheel would then move the stator at proper time with little force.   
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #617 on: December 10, 2011, 06:07:16 PM »
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #618 on: December 10, 2011, 06:10:40 PM »
Another photo of the second lever.
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #619 on: December 10, 2011, 06:40:59 PM »
With LevStat we are moving the stator with a small force that is leveraged.  Yes distance is sacrificed but we understand...
The magnetic field strength of magnets toward each other drops/increases exponentially over distance.
However for a lever:
The force applied (at end points of the lever) is proportional to the ratio of the length of the lever arm measured between the fulcrum (pivoting point) and application point of the force applied at each end of the lever.
 
The Leveraged Stator Motor (LevStat) concept/device uses a lever as a means to move a stator magnet in a (all) permanent magnet motor.  The LevStat approach provides a method and basis for useful scientific study in the concept of using leverage when applied to exponential magnetic field differences with respect to stator distance and applied magnetic force. The LevStat approach only moves a magnetic stator (out of the way with leverage) during the time when the stator would be negatively/positively affected (sticky point) by the rotor magnetic field.
 
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #620 on: December 10, 2011, 08:52:00 PM »
To move the stator with less force than that is produced may be acheived by a concept I call LevStat.   
Here is photo of the start of the build for the model LevStat device.   Base and rotor support.   
LevStat is work in progress and has been a joint effort between myself and another forum member by the name of Tom.   
More later.
Bill
Hi Bill, do you have any drawings , are you able to share them with dimensions?

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #621 on: December 10, 2011, 09:21:37 PM »
Hi Bill, do you have any drawings , are you able to share them with dimensions?
Sorry no drawings.   The green wheel is 97mm high.   This is a concept not something replicate so do not expect dimensions.
Do you understand the principles of how LevStat will work?
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #622 on: December 11, 2011, 12:29:31 AM »
Sorry no drawings.   The green wheel is 97mm high.   This is a concept not something replicate so do not expect dimensions.
Do you understand the principles of how LevStat will work?
Bill
guess yes, but I can see radial moving path of top magnet and there is something just telling me that V-gate magnet structure on green wheel must have same radial focused magnets on its surface to meet top magnet radial movement as vertical, effective movement to pull v-gate from the relevant effective point.
Here I have questions to you Bill
- did you try cam as it was on primary one video to elevate top magnet?
- do you have any video to prove that cam not working when rotor getting relevant inertion force to pass SP based on its turning mass inertion?
- Why you took  on focus of your development this solution with  balanced LevStat ?
- why you are not using  magnet pusshing force from both sides of rotor by 2 separated brown discs with only 1 magnet to use simple calculated 2 lever to compensate as much as it is possible top magnet weight down force?
- why your bar magnet axi made from heavy metal if you can use carbon fiber 5mm tube? http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__6725__Carbon_Fiber_Tube_hollow_5x750mm.html
Such construction will elevate bar top magnet without having radial path and unnecessary weight of bar magnet. Do you understand my english Sir?, sorry:(

To be 100% sure that you understand my english and last proposal see my drawing pic - http://s017.radikal.ru/i428/1112/0d/c1fec3794bec.jpg
Glad to know if my updated ( based on yours ) proposal help you!
I want to express my grate thanks to you Bill, you pump up new idea and I had only just a bit polish it!
My magnets stuck in NY. When I wiil get them fanally you will see axactly this concept construction fabricated.
We will get this Grail and will drink from it the Armenian very good wine Sir!
Thank you Bill!!!!!!!
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #623 on: December 11, 2011, 01:47:39 PM »
guess yes, but I can see radial moving path of top magnet and there is something just telling me that V-gate magnet structure on green wheel must have same radial focused magnets on its surface to meet top magnet radial movement as vertical, effective movement to pull v-gate from the relevant effective point.
Here I have questions to you Bill
- did you try cam as it was on primary one video to elevate top magnet?
- do you have any video to prove that cam not working when rotor getting relevant inertion force to pass SP based on its turning mass inertion?
- Why you took  on focus of your development this solution with  balanced LevStat ?
- why you are not using  magnet pusshing force from both sides of rotor by 2 separated brown discs with only 1 magnet to use simple calculated 2 lever to compensate as much as it is possible top magnet weight down force?
- why your bar magnet axi made from heavy metal if you can use carbon fiber 5mm tube? http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/__6725__Carbon_Fiber_Tube_hollow_5x750mm.html
Such construction will elevate bar top magnet without having radial path and unnecessary weight of bar magnet. Do you understand my english Sir?, sorry:(

To be 100% sure that you understand my english and last proposal see my drawing pic - http://s017.radikal.ru/i428/1112/0d/c1fec3794bec.jpg
Glad to know if my updated ( based on yours ) proposal help you!
I want to express my grate thanks to you Bill, you pump up new idea and I had only just a bit polish it!
My magnets stuck in NY. When I wiil get them fanally you will see axactly this concept construction fabricated.
We will get this Grail and will drink from it the Armenian very good wine Sir!
Thank you Bill!!!!!!!
Please note this is only a model to show how to possibly construct a working device using leverage. 
The question was "How do we move a stator with less force than what is produced?"   
My answer, which I think I have gone beyond explaining by building a model is that you use leverage.
The key is to use leverage to move the stator at the correct time to get away from the sticky spot with little force.   In this model the top stator arm is threaded aluminum which is light weight.  Maybe not as light as hollow carbon fiber tubes but it does allow for differnt combinations/sizes of stator magnets to be tested as well as control of the weight of the stator. 
My experiments found you only needed to move one side of stator arm up to have the needed effect for continuous rotation.   Try it by hand with your own track and you will see.   
As to V track.  You only need to use steal/iron on the rotor.   Not magnets.   No magnets on rotor.   Magnets on stator attract steal/iron on rotor.   Also, less expensive.   There are many ways to design the rotor.   So we developed an easy rotor shell that fits over the green flywheel that Iwill show that later.  It allows for adjustments to the placement of the rotor iron parts and makes it easy to interchange differnt test rotors.     
This LevStat design is for a simple proof of concept.  So please do not get too upset if I do not go out and buy your suggested carbon fiber rods and build the model with two sets of levers which would double the necessary adjustments and timings.   
I will try to have short video of the action of the second lever by next weekend.   
Bill
     
 

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #623 on: December 11, 2011, 01:47:39 PM »
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #624 on: December 11, 2011, 03:06:04 PM »
Please note this is only a model to show how to possibly construct a working device using leverage. 
The question was "How do we move a stator with less force than what is produced?"   
My answer, which I think I have gone beyond explaining by building a model is that you use leverage.
The key is to use leverage to move the stator at the correct time to get away from the sticky spot with little force.   In this model the top stator arm is threaded aluminum which is light weight.  Maybe not as light as hollow carbon fiber tubes but it does allow for differnt combinations/sizes of stator magnets to be tested as well as control of the weight of the stator. 
My experiments found you only needed to move one side of stator arm up to have the needed effect for continuous rotation.   Try it by hand with your own track and you will see.   
As to V track.  You only need to use steal/iron on the rotor.   Not magnets.   No magnets on rotor.   Magnets on stator attract steal/iron on rotor.   Also, less expensive.   There are many ways to design the rotor.   So we developed an easy rotor shell that fits over the green flywheel that Iwill show that later.  It allows for adjustments to the placement of the rotor iron parts and makes it easy to interchange differnt test rotors.     
This LevStat design is for a simple proof of concept.  So please do not get too upset if I do not go out and buy your suggested carbon fiber rods and build the model with two sets of levers which would double the necessary adjustments and timings.   
I will try to have short video of the action of the second lever by next weekend.   
Bill
   
All kind of new tech things are starts from models,from motors to airplanes:)
OK Bill, but all our experiments with iron( not magnets) as V-track structure failed.We do not have any intention to continue such experiments.
We have good results with magnet type of V-tack, made already math model based on practical results and answers from measurments. We are going to continue only this direction of research.
Nothing are able to make us upset, we are at searching mode constantly and testing in the same time.
Thanks again for idea.
Truly
Rob

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #625 on: December 11, 2011, 04:47:44 PM »
All kind of new tech things are starts from models,from motors to airplanes:)
OK Bill, but all our experiments with iron( not magnets) as V-track structure failed.We do not have any intention to continue such experiments.
We have good results with magnet type of V-tack, made already math model based on practical results and answers from measurments. We are going to continue only this direction of research.
Nothing are able to make us upset, we are at searching mode constantly and testing in the same time.
Thanks again for idea.
Truly
Rob
I agree iron v gates are not the way to go.   There are other designs for the rotor with iron. 
Bill

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #626 on: December 11, 2011, 09:50:29 PM »
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #627 on: December 13, 2011, 08:41:44 PM »
I agree iron v gates are not the way to go.   There are other designs for the rotor with iron. 
Bill
Try to find a solution from the magnets point of view. No V-gate will work. Robert33 has already confirmed that his experiment is a joke - ther is no working V-gate. Still some people tries to replicate his mistakes. I don't get it ;D


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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #628 on: December 13, 2011, 11:52:44 PM »
Try to find a solution from the magnets point of view. No V-gate will work. Robert33 has already confirmed that his experiment is a joke - ther is no working V-gate. Still some people tries to replicate his mistakes. I don't get it ;D


Vidar
Hi Dear Vidar
look to this my own tests, tell me what you can see in video?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24Hug7CPDIM
V-gate structure working Sir, I am so sorry for that:) 65% math model are ready to be tested and implemented to reproduce this motor from wideo!
After all tests 100% of math model will be finished and shared here and all over the internet for copy!Dont make angry old USSR Armenian engineers Sir:)
 As I said 7 powerfull programmers, maths and mechancis are working here to built it.We are not crazy Sir, we are not loosing our time at all if we can not see seed!
Roobert 33 conformation is fake, read all history here and you will find out why it is fake Sir!He soldout motor to someone.Think deeper, is there anybody in this world that are ready to buy not working toy? Guess, No!

furthermore,our works progress as far as magnets delayed:
we had find out how to make 99% shield of magnetic force.He is the video guys.Conformed!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mayO2RsLfaQ
Guess, until my dam magnets  will arrive from NY I will be able to use my time and digout all planet from north pole to south and find all relevant solutions to make magnets work as I want:)

Truly,
Rob

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #629 on: December 15, 2011, 08:57:55 PM »
Hello all.


Finally got around to doing a little more work on this.


I never was able to obtain even a partial rotation, with either rotor, using ferites and decided to try playing with magnets.


In the interest of cost, and ease of assembly, I'm going to start with just plain ceramic magnet disks on the rotor that measure 20mm diameter X 5mm thick.
To be mounted on a 75mm wide rotor that is 100mm diameter.


And using a neodymium stator magnet which is a 75mm Long X 12mm Wide X 10mm Thick (Magnetized through thickness)


The V angle is around 5 degrees.
(see attached.)


Are there any suggestions as to the SPACING of these magnets along a five degree V-ramp?


Scorch.


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