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Author Topic: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33  (Read 465002 times)

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #600 on: November 25, 2011, 05:29:02 AM »
I'd be willing to bet a working magnet motor is as simple as one lever and "two screws"...


a configuration the same as two screws... not two actual screws...


and of course the magnets.


If anyone already has one working they might know where I'm coming from.


Tell you more later!

Hi dear mdlarouche,

a configuration the same as two screws with which one? Did you saw my last published drawings here? do you mean that?
do you have any picture of your mentioned motor?

truly
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #601 on: November 25, 2011, 05:30:27 AM »
I'd be willing to bet a working magnet motor is as simple as one lever and "two screws"...


a configuration the same as two screws... not two actual screws...


and of course the magnets.


If anyone already has one working they might know where I'm coming from.


Tell you more later!

Hi dear mdlarouche,

a configuration the same as two screws with which one? Did you saw my last published drawings here? do you mean that?
do you have any picture of your mentioned motor?

Truly
Rob

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #602 on: November 25, 2011, 12:45:18 PM »

Hi dear mdlarouche,

a configuration the same as two screws with which one? Did you saw my last published drawings here? do you mean that?
do you have any picture of your mentioned motor?

Truly
Rob


Did a search on your posts and came up with one image that stood out as being somewhat close to what I described as the layout I was considering... Not sure that it was in fact your image though... I just searched this thread but this was the link.


http://s017.radikal.ru/i420/1111/0e/70484e06b7f4.jpg


The magnets are in that orientation on the wheel. In fact two wheels in the form of a screw and both of them need to be one single thread. One is the wheel that you will mount the magnets to the other is the follower or cam as on the ones I see here. If you took an automotive U-Joint... the part that is on the drive shaft and is in the shape of an X and you drilled a hole in it's centerline... parallel to what would be the drive shaft's centerline big enough to press a bearing into it. Then press a tube into the bearing and then into the tube you need to press a bearing into each end of that. Then mount two shafts on a frame whereby the tube's end bearings fit. You now have a modified drive shaft U-Joint that spins on the tube and the tube spins on the shafts attached to the frame.


Now I jumped the gun a little... on purpose though... just to describe the parts above so that you could see the main mounting points for everything else.


Now the single thread wheels I mentioned  are a press fit to the tube. You will need to figure out the spacing and that will be determined by your lever configuration.


The lever... OK here goes. If  you took apart a drive shaft to get parts then you will know that the U-Joint was mounted inside what is called a "Yoke". You need to make a yoke of your own or you can use the one that came with the drive shaft but you need to modify it first.


The Yoke has two bores that the "bearing cups" go in. If you made a hoop with two bores just like the yoke and attached two rods opposite from each other and a 90 degrees to the bore's then that is basically all you need.


At the end of one rod you would need a sort of "hook" that would hook over the outside diameter of the one wheel to which the magnets will be mounted. On the other rod you will simply mount a bearing and also a magnet. The bearing will ride on the follower wheel and the magnet will simply pull the lever against it so you'll have to experiment to get the right strength magnet in this case.


I haven't actually built this but I'm pretty sure it will work... all magnets are in pull orientation. the follower wheel would be best to be steel so there's a constant pull on the lever/follower arm. Weight shouldn't be a factor... you just need stronger magnets.  This configuration eliminates the gate completely. If your thread wheels were say one inch... the part that the magnets are mounted to. You will need to blend the end of it out where the bearing would run off... call it a "lead off" just help eliminate banging. As well do the same to the other thread wheel.


With careful placement of your magnets you should always have a pair synchronized and pulling.


Oh one more thing. The bearing at the bottom of the lever you will need to put a stopper. Otherwise it will want to rotate with the rest of the assembly.


I'm in the process of finalizing construction of a gravity based motor and hope to be done in the next month. Been at this for eighteen months of construction and will be glad to go into testing. I have a design also for a complex Faraday motor as well. I will have a lot on the go for the next little while so I thought I'd give you and others the idea to think about and maybe try.


I attached a drawing which should help... If you need more description or have any questions... let me know


Marc

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #602 on: November 25, 2011, 12:45:18 PM »
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #603 on: November 25, 2011, 09:23:01 PM »


I attached a drawing which should help... If you need more description or have any questions... let me know


Marc
Hi dear Marc
thank you for such detailed explanation and drawing, I am impressed really, but did not understand drawing and principle on 100%, I am so sorry:( Just understoond that it is vertical & same V-gate with central axi as console type rotor on 1 ball bearing. If I am not right - correct me plz.
propably I need to  see its in action or 3d drawing to understand all your explanations, but life is life, and i am not genus:)
I will wait your construction, it will be grate pleasure for me to see if it is running already at your table!
Actually it is already late for me to start new project as far as I did not finish first, furthermore all magnets for v-gate motor already purchased, I am waithing them already 2,5 week.... hope to see them in good health when they will arrive:) http://s017.radikal.ru/i432/1111/76/78c36f2e3133.jpg
When my math.design model, PHP page for auto calculations of structure , motor it self will start running over the internet and on my table then I will switch to your motor again if you dont mined and of course with some analysed questions to you:)

and again -Thansk Marc!

Truly
Rob

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #604 on: November 26, 2011, 06:16:48 PM »
OK dear people, we had come to the conclusion that we should go already very professional in this motor production as far as it's need very nice fabrication and all parts has to be not from ferromagnetic materials.
Our next goal is to built 3D printer that will print an exact copy of anything which has been scanned or drawn with CAD software. We can make parts of any devices, models, anything you can imagine … can come to life.

Here below is our next target video. We are well prepared engineers here to fabricate such devices to fabricate then itself as CNC reproduction (none metal parts) and put everyting into digital mode and sharpness!

All our running magnet rotors, "adult toys" and engineers wishes will be prepared in CAD and then will be executed in this nice brake down device from ABS plastic with fully controlled modeling and executing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NWTijvbZIQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOOCKuXBhBU
3D printer Cad drawing is here below.
http://depositfiles.com/files/soaqb5z0y
how to fabricate ABS rod extruder driver below
http://reprap.org/wiki/Geared_Nema17_Extruder_Driver
Printing Material Suppliers
http://reprap.org/wiki/Printing_Material_Suppliers
Open source software for CNC 3D printers for dif. 2 OS is here:
http://replicat.org/download

Have a nice fabrications guys!
God bless you!

Truly
Rob

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #604 on: November 26, 2011, 06:16:48 PM »
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #605 on: November 26, 2011, 11:45:20 PM »
Here we have new spiral V-gate concept to avoid top magnet mechanical up/down movement .
Comments in the YT video comment section.
Concept must be tested. I will inform you about tests result with this real rotor video even if it will bring negative result.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8jTa04MVcM
We are taking source idea from many US patents like this:

http://i069.radikal.ru/1111/a6/0700f7954b42.jpg

http://s017.radikal.ru/i401/1111/09/433be6bd9fa8.jpg


truly
rob

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #606 on: November 27, 2011, 05:16:25 PM »
I find this V Gate most interesting.  For it seems that the torque is strong enough to make more than 1 full rotation (if you remove the magnet on top) the work to lift the magnet up must be less than the remaining torque to make it move permanently. This seems to be the difficult point :( Unfortunately I got no idea how to do that either, just wanted to say keep the heads up and continue experimenting.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #607 on: November 27, 2011, 05:39:23 PM »
I find this V Gate most interesting.  For it seems that the torque is strong enough to make more than 1 full rotation (if you remove the magnet on top) the work to lift the magnet up must be less than the remaining torque to make it move permanently. This seems to be the difficult point :( Unfortunately I got no idea how to do that either, just wanted to say keep the heads up and continue experimenting.

Hi dear gauschor,thanks for info Sir!
my flat V gate show us interesting data - first ~75% path comming form narrow shape of V structure to wide has most strong pulling force, other 20-25% up to the SP has less torque than first ~75% of v gate lenght.We are not going to remove top magnet, you did not understood me right.It will stay at place but we are going to test spiral V-gate rotor structure at vertical position because we can balance rotor relevantly to help it pass sector with less magnet force and pulling force. That is going to put wide V gate part low aganst of top magnet(out of magnet field), and we want to test all these thing without up/down movment to see if top magnet passing SP in such configuration.
see this video again to undertstand what I mean with spiral rotor:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8jTa04MVcM

truly
rob

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #608 on: November 27, 2011, 08:31:01 PM »
found very good instructions on line to built 3D Printer mechanics
http://reprap.org/wiki/Prusa_Mendel_Assembly
Also , here is the manual for construction same printer in PDF format
 http://depositfiles.com/files/o875d8iuz

Hope this will help you to construct easy CNC to replicate your motors staff.
Absolutely amazing staff is 3D printer which prints your mechanical staff from 3mm ABS plastic rods

truly
rob

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #608 on: November 27, 2011, 08:31:01 PM »
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #609 on: December 07, 2011, 10:33:26 PM »
Hello dear people, I found who are creating CO2 mostly in US - It is USPS post
 We are fighting with who?:)) Monsters with idiot Brain?:)))
 
  I am absolutely confused and sad to see my staff in this crazy delivery path. See attached pic of map http://s50.radikal.ru/i130/1112/c8/fdf316a72b5b.jpg
 I had pay only 16$ for delivery and guess that USPS post mail service computing system do not have even "kid brain" data base to cut transportation expenses. Guess  they have big problem with fuel cost overdraft per year :( This is crazy to understand that we have to pay USPS more money to cut the path of delivery and USPS service fuel consumption... guess they are crazy. That is why China so smart and took all US and not only US market, sorry for that:(
  2000 km magnets running over the 1/2 US and still on the earth, crazy to understand that, sorry:(
 
 Detailed Results:
   
Processed through USPS Sort Facility, ,2011,JAMAICA, NY 11430
Processed through USPS Sort Facility,, 2011, CHICAGO, IL 60666
Shipment Accepted, 2011,  PETERSBURG, WV 26847


Truly,
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Robert Sahakyan
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Data Center IT Infrastructure Chief Engineer 
 
 

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #610 on: December 10, 2011, 12:11:25 AM »
I find this V Gate most interesting.  For it seems that the torque is strong enough to make more than 1 full rotation (if you remove the magnet on top) the work to lift the magnet up must be less than the remaining torque to make it move permanently. This seems to be the difficult point :( Unfortunately I got no idea how to do that either, just wanted to say keep the heads up and continue experimenting.
I agree,   the work needed to lift the movable stator needs to be less than the work produced...so how do we do it..... I think I may have a workable the answer.  Need to try a few things.     
Bill

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #611 on: December 10, 2011, 12:47:30 AM »
Hey Bill,
 
let us in on the answer - please.
 
Garry

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #612 on: December 10, 2011, 12:58:20 AM »
Hey Bill,
 
let us in on the answer - please.
 
Garry
No problem,  just need some time to put together a model that demonstrates the solution.  Give me a few days.   
Bill

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #613 on: December 10, 2011, 02:37:01 AM »
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #614 on: December 10, 2011, 04:32:56 PM »
To move the stator with less force than that is produced may be acheived by a concept I call LevStat.   
Here is photo of the start of the build for the model LevStat device.   Base and rotor support.   
LevStat is work in progress and has been a joint effort between myself and another forum member by the name of Tom.   
More later.
Bill
 
 

 

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