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Author Topic: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33  (Read 465110 times)

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #570 on: November 13, 2011, 10:17:03 PM »
Good you chose the pig because the lawnmower has already been done!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26PpA1kFIWw

}:>

I really like your sense of humor:) When I will finish all these projects I will try to put on one pig on the fly :)))))))))))))
be sure it will fly from my hands, just I need to be far from that place as far as "pig"  landing will not sussesfull defiantly, but it will be funny to see such flight:)

Truly
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #571 on: November 13, 2011, 11:39:59 PM »
You are correct in stating there is no reason to continue such a philosophical discussion. If the orbits of planets, for billions of years, is not considered to be 'perpetual motion' then whats the point of discussing any farther?
}:>
We need to keep moving further and accelerate our fabrications of this motor to 3-4 "sound speed" to block any decoys to put on the air its formal paper work for this motor!!!

Scorch?Thanks for understanding and support!
P.S.
in few days I will present my flat working V-gate result and then it will be in rotor ring with etc parts. Video will be presented here and all of the relevant russian sites. My cad drawings of this motor scale already in the air and scale has not been deny.We need to compromise by our fabrications next 50% part of motor to block patent for ever!
Nobody can stop us!
No problem, only solution!

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #572 on: November 13, 2011, 11:42:13 PM »
Well, so much for "keeping it lightweight" as Mr. Calloway recommended.

This rotor now weighs about 1.3 pounds.

I really would like to find some shorter ferrites or have them made.
10mm X 10mm ferrites would be a lot closer to what is in the original video.
I also think my rotor is a little bit narrower than the one in the original video.

Mine is 2" wide X 4" diameter.

The one in the video might be closer to 2.5" wide X 4.5" diameter.

But I don't know if any of that really matters.
If this thing works; it should be very scale-able.

Make a larger rotor, use a larger stator, etc.

In fact I may have to re-fabricate the upright supports to accommodate a rotor that is now about 5.5" in diameter.

This is what is called "a work in progress".
If I can make this thing function, the final build will use as much acrylic as possible including rotor, uprights, and stator shafts.


}:>

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #572 on: November 13, 2011, 11:42:13 PM »
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #573 on: November 14, 2011, 12:04:17 AM »

This is what is called "a work in progress".
}:>
Good job!!! I recomend to balance it as nice as propeller and then shift the balance to make 4 line ferrites move forward automatically
I like it, really!

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #574 on: November 14, 2011, 01:21:14 AM »
I see you have added a copy of that video, I showed you the other day, to your youtube page. Glad to see it because, sometimes, these videos disappear and I probably should do the same at my own youtube page.

}:>
I can see 2 guys that watch that video from state of Louisiana:)

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #574 on: November 14, 2011, 01:21:14 AM »
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #575 on: November 15, 2011, 01:45:53 AM »
This is what is called "a work in progress".
}:>
Got small , flat v-gate, for me positive result:) Waiting magnets from US. Analysing negatives...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV7WkZ9R7S4
http://s017.radikal.ru/i412/1111/59/86d0d3d587c6.jpg

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #576 on: November 16, 2011, 01:52:28 AM »
I have got better result, same setup, just tun horizontal magnet to gate, now N pole of gate in front of S pole of horizontal magnet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24Hug7CPDIM

And a bit humor:) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKUdvs-atJI

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #576 on: November 16, 2011, 01:52:28 AM »
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #577 on: November 16, 2011, 05:58:23 PM »

Thank you Roobert33, again, for the better images.


I do have some questions-


What is the diameter and width of your rotor?
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What is the diameter and length of the pole pieces attached to the rotor?
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How many pole pieces fit on your rotor?
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And just an observation:


It does appear you are actually using the original rocker that was in the original video.
This is a very custom part including specific shape, solder patterns, color and glue points under the "magnet"
If we review the original video, we can see these things as compared to the new image which appears to be EXACTLY the same part only its little more tarnished over time.
(See attached)


And this increases the credibility of Roobert33's claims even more.
And the claim of PESN, that Robert Calloway is Roobert33, is highly questionable.


}:>

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #578 on: November 16, 2011, 07:51:08 PM »

And this increases the credibility of Roobert33's claims even more.
And the claim of PESN, that Robert Calloway is Roobert33, is highly questionable.


}:>

Dear Scorch thank you. I had catch it and then Roobert33 said he has sold motor:) And even better he told that V-gate can not work alone and it means by simple logic - he sold motor that is not working:)
This man dont want to open set up and will never do that. As I said, he is going to go to grave with this motor info..shame on him.. no more comments!

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #578 on: November 16, 2011, 07:51:08 PM »
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #579 on: November 16, 2011, 10:27:43 PM »
@ Scorch
I try to help you as much as possible in the answers ...
The circle of wood inside the rotor, the circular base of Plexiglas and the fake magnet below are the same as the first "original V-gate". I've used them again for the video that I sent to this Forum.
In the first "original V-gate" that I sold, I just removed these pieces, as they were not suitable from the point of view of mechanical beauty.  At that time I have rebuilt them more beautiful ...

I give you the measures of the "original V-gate" that you wanted to know :

1) The diameter of the disk was mm. 100, width mm. 62.
2) The aluminum rods were used "total 66", diameter 8 mm x 7 wide.
3) The right pillar of wood height mm.137, 15 x 15mm. Left mm.160, 15 x 15.
4) the central axis mm.128 x 6.

Bye!

@ Arrow
I'm sorry you've misjudged me, you don't know me and you can not get the wrong idea of me only for a few comments that I wrote in the Forum ...
And I also regret that you deleted me from your YT channel.
Bye!

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #580 on: November 17, 2011, 12:29:33 AM »
@ Arrow
I forgot to respond to one thing:
I must not take any secrets to the grave, because the V-gate is a "FAKE" Put it in the  mind ...

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #580 on: November 17, 2011, 12:29:33 AM »
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #581 on: November 17, 2011, 02:58:14 AM »

Thanks for the measurements.
Looks like I judged the diameter of the rotor pretty close but, just as I suspected, yours is about .5" wider.

It might have been a fake BUT there is still some real potential with this design you came up with and still worth exploring.

Like I wrote before; if we can build a repeating V track, that carries a car the entire distance, there has to be a way to repeat a single V.

There are obvious challenges.
For example a rotor is an entirely different geometry than a flat track and curved magnets might be the solution.

I can certainly try to make a functional version based your fake device but my knowledge is limited when it starts getting into specific magnetic fields and geometry.
It occurs to me that it might actually be better to build an inverse rotor with ferrites facing inward and magnets also inside.
But this is getting way ahead of the game.  Just want to recreate what you made only with real materials, instead of fake ones, so I can get a "feel" of what needs to be accomplished.

Of course there is still this appearance of misrepresentation at PESN and I now have to rethink whether not Mr. Calloway's suggestion of using ferrites is the right path.
I am already having a lot of difficulty getting much motion from this very narrow V that I built. It's too narrow, the ferrites are too big, and too close together.
Already considering a rebuild of my rotor at this point. And I must now consider an attempt with magnets instead of ferrites as this might help reduce the geometry challenges.

Do not be to hard on yourself for building a fake device as it does ENCOURAGE others, such as myself, to experiment.
Some great inventions have been accomplished in this very manor where a research & development department is shown a video of a "competitor's device" and the challenge is to reverse engineer it; even though the video is fake. . .

By presenting it as being real, this lights a fire under their tails and challenges them to accomplish it because, in their mind, it has already been done!

}:>


@ Scorch
I try to help you as much as possible in the answers ...
The circle of wood inside the rotor, the circular base of Plexiglas and the fake magnet below are the same as the first "original V-gate". I've used them again for the video that I sent to this Forum.
In the first "original V-gate" that I sold, I just removed these pieces, as they were not suitable from the point of view of mechanical beauty.  At that time I have rebuilt them more beautiful ...

I give you the measures of the "original V-gate" that you wanted to know :

1) The diameter of the disk was mm. 100, width mm. 62.
2) The aluminum rods were used "total 66", diameter 8 mm x 7 wide.
3) The right pillar of wood height mm.137, 15 x 15mm. Left mm.160, 15 x 15.
4) the central axis mm.128 x 6.

Bye!

@ Arrow
I'm sorry you've misjudged me, you don't know me and you can not get the wrong idea of me only for a few comments that I wrote in the Forum ...
And I also regret that you deleted me from your YT channel.
Bye!

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #582 on: November 17, 2011, 02:13:37 PM »
Hi Scorch,
I'm not totally opposed to achieving a true "V-gate".
In the course of several years I have made several attempts with different systems as possible to try to make it run, but everything so far has been in vain ...
The real question is not whether to do calculations on the weight of the rotor or to put more or less large magnets on it, the failed mechanism is subject to the magnets which are opposed to when the wheel wants to bypass the high point. Even if we make a "perfect balance", it will be inevitably blocked by the opposing magnets ...

However, when you want some advice from me, I answer you with pleasure  :)
There is a very important thing, however, I do not speak English, my wife makes me the translation and to avoid discomfort to give her every time, I'll write you in Italian and then you translate my message in English.
Bye!

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #583 on: November 17, 2011, 03:11:20 PM »

@ Arrow
I'm sorry you've misjudged me, you don't know me and you can not get the wrong idea of me only for a few comments that I wrote in the Forum ...
And I also regret that you deleted me from your YT channel.
Bye!

Hi Rob, ok I regret that you are telling here that your rotor not working one as far as your shown fake second rotor did not prove that first one fake. You just show not right rotor that you had in video. BUT! I still can understand your situation and dont want to ask you second time to show right rotor video.The problem is - you had use in your second fake rotor parts from first working rotor.Nobody and nothing can prove me the opposite, because when I had use your video V-gate angle from drawing that I have got from video revers engineering - its works! V-gate can work alone with rotor with magnets and all that we have seen in first video and dont try to make mess here with fake info. Stop argue with me until you did not show real rotor video - remember? you said me NO! I have same as you south blood type in my vessels Sir , do dont make me more crazy than you have done already!
OK then feel comfortable to get such actions from me as the reaction to your "NO Sir". Earth is round object, hope to see you soon!
Sorry...that is the life! I am horrably getting crazy when somebody lies long-term to me, even can panish very tuff for that!
If you dont have proves as second video of motor and sold it - then you are kindly asked to stop writing any info here about V-gate!
You sold even not a gold Sir - you sold to punks the hope of the people in the world!Very "clever" move from you!
Truly
Rob
« Last Edit: November 17, 2011, 03:49:19 PM by Arrow »

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #584 on: November 17, 2011, 03:18:59 PM »


I am already having a lot of difficulty getting much motion from this very narrow V that I built. It's too narrow, the ferrites are too big, and too close together.
Already considering a rebuild of my rotor at this point. And I must now consider an attempt with magnets instead of ferrites as this might help reduce the geometry challenges.

}:>

Dear Scorch I made already 3 flat V-gate and can tell you - the V-gate structure very sensitive to its components, it  react negative to its "static trust" if you are making it narrow than 5 degree from central mid axi(looking from the front to rotor). All sises here are connected to each other. I am trying to calculate already dependence of gate angle to its magnet size and to top magnet. All connected together, believe me!
sorry for my english.. this is first time in my life that I pity - I am not born in US to speak with you in pure english and help you!
I can tell you the angle must be  bit more than even 5 degree... working on it, soon you will have answer from me.
« Last Edit: November 17, 2011, 04:05:51 PM by Arrow »

 

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