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Author Topic: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33  (Read 496755 times)

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #450 on: January 05, 2011, 02:03:11 AM »
The "Eden Project", I tested this about a year ago and found the major error they made. They used spring scales in their testing! I performed the exact same tests with the same 3/4" square magnets and found no difference in energy at all. Everything balanced perfectly using a digital scale.

I originally had nearly exactly their same results until I noticed the plastic handle stretching on my digital scale and causing small position errors in the magnets when under high tension.
I modified the scale to provide a solid steel mount directly to the measuring unit to remove any spring when under high tension. I tried the tests several times after that, but all gain shown previously was gone!

You will find a difference, however, using even a digital scale if you study the magnetic propulsor. You don't even need a scale to see there's a difference and the work depends on the path.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #451 on: January 05, 2011, 11:14:06 AM »
@lumen. Thanks for telling us about your experimental results . Just shows how easily we can be misled .@Omnibus . Could you please  provide a link to the Magnetic Propulsor .

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #452 on: January 05, 2011, 02:52:01 PM »
This one proves the obtainment of excess energy in a closed loop:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5163427245750490858

You can also observe excess energy generated in steup like this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKyGDWeblQw

You may also take a look at the one posted by @CLaNZeR in this very thread: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCJqFMNejrc

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #452 on: January 05, 2011, 02:52:01 PM »
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #453 on: January 05, 2011, 03:32:01 PM »
This one proves the obtainment of excess energy in a closed loop:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5163427245750490858

You can also observe excess energy generated in steup like this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKyGDWeblQw

You may also take a look at the one posted by @CLaNZeR in this very thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCJqFMNejrc

Oh, gee, Mr. Hand is still confusing the retard....

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #454 on: January 05, 2011, 03:41:45 PM »
Oh, gee, Mr. Hand is still confusing the retard....

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #454 on: January 05, 2011, 03:41:45 PM »
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #455 on: January 13, 2011, 05:16:46 PM »
This is an experiment I made yesterday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnqXJbwpNRo . On the one hand it demonstrates once again why we should be confident a magnetic motor can be real -- it proves clearly that excess energy can be produced. On the other hand it shows how difficult it would be to actually make one in view of the relatively small amount of excess energy produced even when using the strongest permanent magnets available on the market.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #456 on: January 13, 2011, 05:36:55 PM »
Hi All,
what do you think about this video from
Roobert33:

Regards, Stefan.

I think it is a FAKE.

I have been experimenting with this setup, (not complete as yet).

I went back to view the video and noticed something off-the-wall about it. Observe the Cam closely and you will notice that there are some revolutions where the Cam is not even lifting the upper bar. It also appears to be wobbling, past (around) the bearing that engages the Cam.

You should see some revolutions where the Cam is obviously lifting the top bar, but then you will see some revolutions where it isn't lifting the top bar, at all, and yet it continues to rotate!!!!! I am observing the video over at peswiki.com.

Although it is obviously a fake, I haven't given up on the concept as yet. I am still building and experimenting with slightly different configurations.

 :'(


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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #456 on: January 13, 2011, 05:36:55 PM »
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #457 on: January 13, 2011, 06:16:17 PM »
This is an experiment I made yesterday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnqXJbwpNRo . On the one hand it demonstrates once again why we should be confident a magnetic motor can be real -- it proves clearly that excess energy can be produced. On the other hand it shows how difficult it would be to actually make one in view of the relatively small amount of excess energy produced even when using the strongest permanent magnets available on the market.

Ya know what, I did an experiment very similar to this last night (about 1:00 am) I couldn't sleep, so I got up and experimented.

Only what I did was I took cylindrical magnet, polarized on the ends.

I then placed a Circular magnet at a distance, then slowly rolled the cylinder towards the circular magnet. I noticed that the orientation of the cylinder made a difference in it's engagement. Circular Face up orientation took longer to engage then horizontal, polarization - compared to the ends of the cylinder.

I also did the same thing substituting a bar magnet for the circular one. The results where repeatable.

One more thing. The center of the cylinder was aligned such that the circular magnet always had its edge aligned to the left of the middle of the line of the middle of the cylinder. I wanted it to always be attracted to the left end of the cylinder magnet, and always starting off just slightly to the left of the center line.

My conclusion is that the magnetic fields are strongest when oriented in the same plane.

I think this what you are seeing for sure.

Your test is much fancier and then mine, but at least I can back you up with what you are observing.


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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #458 on: January 14, 2011, 12:11:00 AM »
Hi Chipper,

I would like to understand your test setup and make a simple drawing with three figures. Please tell which of them shows the best your circular-cylinder setup.  (all figures show top view, the rectangular shape is the cylinder of course). If none of the figures is correct feel free to modify them as you see fit, just use the Windows built-in Paint program.

I do not get fully your conclusion either, sorry, would you put it with different words, meaning the same please?

Thanks,  Gyula

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #458 on: January 14, 2011, 12:11:00 AM »
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #459 on: January 14, 2011, 10:40:49 AM »
This is an experiment I made yesterday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnqXJbwpNRo . On the one hand it demonstrates once again why we should be confident a magnetic motor can be real -- it proves clearly that excess energy can be produced. On the other hand it shows how difficult it would be to actually make one in view of the relatively small amount of excess energy produced even when using the strongest permanent magnets available on the market.

"-- it proves clearly that excess energy can be produced."
Here we go again... "OU has already been proved beyond any reason of a doubt"....

Hey, is Mr. Hand out there?

"Magnetic gun/cannon" concept is so 1900.... Glad you have discovered it... Again.  No wonder, SMOT is your obsession, alright...

It's typical for such experiments to deceive the innocent. On a first sight, there's a low energy input (v1 of the ball), and considerably higher v2 (with the same mass of the ball, of course).
Which would mean that "OU" has been achieved.
As long as one doesn't count ALL the energies involved in the process (potential and kinetic would suffice).

Ok, forget about the theory, just build the (circular, oscillating,..) track and try to perpetuate the thing.
 ???

P.S. Sorry to say that, but you're certainly one of the "thickest wannabe (self proclaimed) scientists" of the last few years....

 

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #460 on: January 14, 2011, 03:36:05 PM »
Hi Chipper,

I do not get fully your conclusion either, sorry, would you put it with different words, meaning the same please?

Thanks,  Gyula

Here is an attachment of what I did.

1. Circular Magnet Face up (to ceiling). Vertical Plane. Cylinder = horizontal plane, along table top. Measure Distance engaged = 1.56 inches.
2. Circular Magnet on Edge (Balance it). Horizontal plane. Engaged 2.25"
3. Bar Magnet Face up. Vertical plane. Engaged = 1.54 inches.
4. Bar Magnet Face horizontal. Horizontal Plane. Engaged 2.25 inches.

This works out to a 44% increase/decrease in Magnetic Field strength, relative to distance of engagement.




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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #460 on: January 14, 2011, 03:36:05 PM »
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #461 on: January 14, 2011, 04:57:45 PM »
Of course, we're not going to forget about theory no matter how much some who claim they know science would surmise.

The distance of displacement of a body of mass M from a position of rest when struck by another body of mass m is a measure of the work done by the striking body. This is well known (known even before 1900).

it is equally well-known scientifically that the potential energy of a body of mass m attracted by another body converts into equivalent amount of other energies (kinetic energy will suffice) when that body of mass m is allowed to approach freely the attracting body from a point of displacement. The maximum potential energy can be converted into its equivalent maximum kinetic energy when the body of mass m is let go from a point where the force of attraction is zero to the point of maximum attraction force. This is also well-known since even before 1900.

This maximum kinetic energy is a potential to do work. In this case we choose the work done by the body of mass m to be the displacement of a body of mass M when struck by the body of mass m when it possesses the maximum kinetic energy.

The common understanding, known since even before 1900, is that a magnet of mass m will always exhibit the same amount of maximum kinetic energy when attracted by another magnet, independent of the point from which it starts, provided the force at this starting point is zero.

The validity of this common understanding can be checked. Use the same billiard ball of mass M, always place it at a point where the attraction between the two magnets is maximum (where the minimum of the potential energy of the two magnets is), remove one of the magnets away from the other to a piont where the force of attraction is practically zero and let it go. If aligned properly, the billiard ball will be struck by the approaching magnet and will be displaced. Move the magnet to another position of zero force and repeat the above. Compare the distances traveled by the billiard ball.

Use different magnets for the experiment explained above and you will find that in many instances you will confirm what has already been know since even before the nineteen hundreds -- the work done by the magnet being attracted done on the billiard ball will be the same (the distance traveled by the billiard ball will always be the same) independent of where you release it from as long as the starting point is where the force of attraction is practically zero.

However, there will be instances, such as the one shown in my vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnqXJbwpNRo where the energies produced from two different points of release are different. In this case the experiment shows that the integral of force over distance is different in the two cases. This means that the integral of the force over distance in a closed loop (the two magnets attracted, one of the magnets removed to a point where the force of attraction is zero, same magnet moved to another point where the force of attraction is zero and then let go) is not zero. Even though the fact that magnets are attracted and that the work to remove two attracted magnets away from each other equals the work done when they spontaneously go back to their initial state has been known since even before 1900 the fact of the non-zero integral value of the closed-loop integral has not been known. This is new to science.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #462 on: January 14, 2011, 05:35:50 PM »
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...Even though the fact that magnets are attracted and that the work to remove two attracted magnets away from each other equals the work done when they spontaneously go back to their initial state has been known since even before 1900 the fact of the non-zero integral value of the closed-loop integral has not been known. This is new to science.

Jeeez... What a pretender... What the hell are you blabling about? "This is new to science" ??? WTF
If you have problems with understanding "potential" and "kinetics", don't blame the rest of the World...

And you certainly don't understand what a "closed-loop" means. That's for sure....

If you'll be shitting this site further, I'm going to post some "interesting" quotes of yours from over the last few years. For anyone to see what a shitfarm you really are....
Yadda yada da, OU has already been proven beyond any reason of a doubt, and bla bla & yada..dada..daa....



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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #463 on: January 14, 2011, 06:01:00 PM »
As is seen @spinner_MP is giving no arguments and is continuing to resort to personal attacks. This is going too far, as seen from his disruption also of other discussions.

Therefore, I'm issuing an open appeal to Stefan (as Stefan knows unlike others, I've never complained to him behind anybody's back) to ban @spinner_MP from this board. This would allow for more productive discussions uninterrupted by the attacks of zealous activists and confused individuals. The low class garbage @spinner_MP is spewing continuously does not belong to this or any other scientific discourse.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #464 on: January 14, 2011, 06:14:02 PM »
As is seen @spinner_MP is giving no arguments and is continuing to resort to personal attacks. This is going too far, as seen from his disruption also of other discussions.

Therefore, I'm issuing an open appeal to Stefan (as Stefan knows unlike others, I've never complained to him behind anybody's back) to ban @spinner_MP from this board. This would allow for more productive discussions uninterrupted by the attacks of zealous activists and confused individuals. The low class garbage @spinner_MP is spewing continuously does not belong to this or any other scientific discourse.
Uh.. And Ahh... Lol!
Feeling scared that I may actually provide some proof about you?
What a farce...


Damn, you have a good chance to succeed with your appeal !
(I'm sure you'll be backed up with some members (Wilby, Ramses, &co. ..)). It happened before...

After all, this is The Over Unity site...

 

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