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Author Topic: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33  (Read 530679 times)

Offline Omnibus

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #405 on: January 02, 2011, 12:58:15 AM »
That I could not do, as I have neither any vtrack or time to build such design.
I only wanted to inform you that it's fully possible to influence magnets and iron by an EM from quite a distance.

Ni, i don't believe it's fully possible. I can start believing it only after you manage to show it. Until then yours are only words with no backing whatsoever.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #406 on: January 02, 2011, 01:06:15 AM »
Then please stay in the unbelieving state of mind.
I know this for sure after all my time and testing of many setups on the split spiral motor.
And I have no intention to to build the vtrack as I'm completely sure its a trick.

You have shown considerable effort in the Steorn replication. Very admirable.
How about reaching inside for some more of that effort and give the vtrack a try for yourself?
It's a simple enough build, if you have the time and skill.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #407 on: January 02, 2011, 01:17:05 AM »
Then please stay in the unbelieving state of mind.
I know this for sure after all my time and testing of many setups on the split spiral motor.
And I have no intention to to build the vtrack as I'm completely sure its a trick.

You have shown considerable effort in the Steorn replication. Very admirable.
How about reaching inside for some more of that effort and give the vtrack a try for yourself?
It's a simple enough build, if you have the time and skill.

It's not that I'm on the unbelieving side. Simply, what you're conjecturing is unjustified. Making a rotating drum w/ embedded magnets is a pretty simple exercise to complain you can't do it. As for myself, these days I'm going back to Massachusetts to do some more work on this. Here in New York City there are no conditions to do any such work, unfortunately.

So, for that turning drum, all you need to have is a an axis (non-magnetic, preferably), a can of Coke which you can cut with scissors and affix it to the axis and a bunch of small magnets. You can have them in pairs on the inside and the outside. This is a really inexpensive stuff and I might order it for you and send it to you to show me how this can turn by the electromagnetic fields your coils generate. That will be a contribution if the device at hand can be debunked that easily.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #408 on: January 02, 2011, 01:23:20 AM »
What a pretender you are, OmniBot....

The shameless bastard....




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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #409 on: January 02, 2011, 01:24:10 AM »
What a pretender you are, OmniBot....

The shameless bastard....

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #410 on: January 02, 2011, 01:25:59 AM »
You don't really need V-track. That's a distraction. Take look couple of pages back how I'm doing it -- just a spiral of magnets.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #411 on: January 02, 2011, 01:46:40 AM »
"New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33" is a fake.

I thought this was quite obvious from the beginning?



Jeeez, have you all been born just yesterday? Well, Congrats!







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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #412 on: January 02, 2011, 01:52:48 AM »
"New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33" is a fake.

I thought this was quite obvious from the beginning?



Jeeez, have you all been born just yesterday? Well, Congrats!

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #413 on: January 02, 2011, 02:18:47 AM »
I never thought a "V" track device could work, but after a week of computer modeling I think I found something!
Still doing some refinement to pinpoint the exact reason for the gain, but I can say that if that video is actually working, those are steel and not magnets on the rotor. The stator magnet poles are front to back and not side to side.

Something happens when the steel is exposed to both stator poles on the "V" track. It seems to have nearly the same attraction but not the usual "V" track interaction.




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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #414 on: January 02, 2011, 02:37:33 AM »
I never thought a "V" track device could work, but after a week of computer modeling I think I found something!
Still doing some refinement to pinpoint the exact reason for the gain, but I can say that if that video is actually working, those are steel and not magnets on the rotor. The stator magnet poles are front to back and not side to side.

Something happens when the steel is exposed to both stator poles on the "V" track. It seems to have nearly the same attraction but not the usual "V" track interaction.

That should be interesting to see. If you recall @xpenzif's "screw motor" rotor was all steel. In this case it doesn't matter and, ike I said, V-track is only a distraction. It has no significance at all. The same effect is achieved by, say, a spiral of magnets. The concept is pretty trivial. A lot of tweaking is needed in any of these well-known cases, though.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #415 on: January 02, 2011, 02:42:04 AM »
Two years ago or so I was doing it with a triangular iron sheet. Same thing. Haven't posted it but I might as well do so when I go to Massachusetts sometime next or the following week. We'll see how it goes.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #416 on: January 02, 2011, 03:34:49 AM »
That should be interesting to see. If you recall @xpenzif's "screw motor" rotor was all steel. In this case it doesn't matter and, ike I said, V-track is only a distraction. It has no significance at all. The same effect is achieved by, say, a spiral of magnets. The concept is pretty trivial. A lot of tweaking is needed in any of these well-known cases, though.

No, this is related to a "V" track! Let me explain what the data shows. If two metal cylinders are close together on a "V" track (like at the start), they become magnetized in the same direction. This causes them to interfere with each other and not become as magnetic as the next set further away from each other. So the stator is attracted always more to the set further away.

Now as they pass under the stator, they change polarity and the situation continues. But under the stator, the cylinders are magnetized horizontally which they do not want to do so the stator can be easily pulled away. Unlike a conventional "V" track with all magnets where the stator continually becomes more attractive as the track widens.

Anyway, the attraction is based on a totally different concept of operation than a "V" track with magnets on the rotor.

 

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #417 on: January 02, 2011, 03:44:24 AM »
Lumen,
Funny thing,Some of the fellahs in the beginning of this thread said those were not magnets in the V,but metal slugs?

Chet

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #418 on: January 02, 2011, 04:07:40 AM »
No, this is related to a "V" track! Let me explain what the data shows. If two metal cylinders are close together on a "V" track (like at the start), they become magnetized in the same direction. This causes them to interfere with each other and not become as magnetic as the next set further away from each other. So the stator is attracted always more to the set further away.

Now as they pass under the stator, they change polarity and the situation continues. But under the stator, the cylinders are magnetized horizontally which they do not want to do so the stator can be easily pulled away. Unlike a conventional "V" track with all magnets where the stator continually becomes more attractive as the track widens.

Anyway, the attraction is based on a totally different concept of operation than a "V" track with magnets on the rotor.

You know, that's very interesting if that's the case and has to be studied more. Several months ago, however, I made a drum with steel cylinders just like the ones in @Roobert33's case and the the result was pretty mediocle, compared to the case when I replaced the V-track steel cylinders with agnets in a spiral. As I see things now, if there's any promise it would be with that magnetic spiral rather than with the V-track. However, your observation may have some merit and probably I should reconsider my current position. That's why I'm looking forward to seeing your model and results.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #419 on: January 02, 2011, 04:18:11 AM »
I should mention how my spiral rotor works. At the beginning of the spiral the stator N is facing the spiral N and repels it. As the rotor turns, the repelling decreases but the attraction increases and this is the reason for further truning of the drum. That happy conditions would end at the minimum of the magnetic potential energy but this is where the cam kicks in and causes the rotor and the stator to distance themselves. That moving apart has a significant effect even if it is slight because the force of magnetic interaction decreases with the cube of the distance. So when tweaked successfully the excess energy acquired during the turning of the drum will be sufficient to pull apart the stator from the rotor so that the sticky spot can be overcome and a new roind of turning to begin. That's typical negative feedback. So, that's the whole idea in a few words. Would be interesting to see if you can model that.