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Author Topic: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33  (Read 530682 times)

Offline neptune

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #390 on: January 01, 2011, 03:21:51 PM »
Go to http:Peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Kedron:Eden_Project:Permanent_Magnet_Energy_gain .

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #392 on: January 01, 2011, 04:35:58 PM »
@nievsoliveras . Many thanks , my friend for help with that link . I am no computer genius . By visiting the said site , you will see experimental proof from two independent researchers , That if two magnets approach each other in attraction , they yield more energy than is necessary to separate them along a different path . The overunity is between 13 and 20% . Isn't this exactly what is happening in the machine we are discussing? . That is why I believe , that with very careful construction and tuning , it will work .

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #393 on: January 01, 2011, 06:58:44 PM »
@LightRider,

Thanks for the clarification. That's a complete turnaround from what I understood initially. Honestly, when @FatChance!!! mentioned his observation I watched the vid at 2:29 and somehow it appered to me that he may be right. I was even thinking of extracting that short piece and having it looped so that I can observe it over and over again. You came up with a real solution, however, and your superb quantitative data put that point to rest. Of course, I'd like to hear also what @FatChance!!! thinks about this. Thanks againg for the great job.

@Omnibus,
I must confess that the personal reason to do this analysis is that I also saw the same thing than both of you (at 2:29).
thanks for the compliment, we must remain open to the possibility of another logical explanation.

These results are very far from affirming or deny the veracity of the phenomenon,
until then, I remain confident but with a critical mind.

Cheers,
LightRider

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #394 on: January 01, 2011, 08:25:37 PM »
@LightRider,

Don't get me wrong. It goes without saying that unless someone (better many more) makes the device and shows it turning on its own, the reality of this device as an OU machine cannot be claimed.

Nevertheless, it's interesting to discuss your findings more.
First, I'd like to make sure -- the picture shown in http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10034.msg269139#msg269139 icorresponds to 2:29s in the vid, that is, corresponds to the large pink dot in your graph, correct?

Also, regading the fine structure of the curve -- there are practically two regions (aside from the short ending anomalous one) showing two different lumen levels. One may argue that there's a short third in between but that I don't think is substantial. These different levels are because the guy turns the rig at one point, right? Then, the fluctuations in the lumen levels. They reflect the movements of the experimenter around the rig and probably the imperfections of a youtube vid, I take it. It may be argued that some of the minimums  in these levels do not reflect what they are expected to be from the maximums. But, I guess, it also has something to do with motions in the room around the rig. Of course, these motions in the room by no means can be the cause of the spinning of the rotor so regarding the main effect the said fluctuations can be ignored. That's just a curiosity which also shows that there's no looping or messing with the vid in view of the randomness of the fluctuations. That looping was suggested by somebody as a proof the vid is fake but your results show looping is out.

And, again, how can that spinning of the rotor be faked, if one insists this isn't the real deal?

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #395 on: January 01, 2011, 09:02:38 PM »
Of course, I'd like to hear also what @FatChance!!! thinks about this.
Good analyse. It made me look at the sequence over and over and actually
Lightrider can be right about this. It does seems like it could be the tip of his
finger that barely touches the backside of the drum and brakes the rotation.
But one has to look really closely to see it.

And, again, how can that spinning of the rotor be faked, if one insists this isn't the real deal?
Simply by placing a large synced & pulsed electromagnet or spinning wheel with an attached NdFeb
below the table of the V-track motor. The pulsing EM or wheel noise is covered by the music.
The bottom magnet on the lever is perhaps used as pulse indicator & picked up by a hall element.
This type of scam have been used numerous of times before by other fakers.

One thing is obvious though, he turns the V-track around but never moves it from its location or
lift it of the table. If serious he could easily have lifted the V-track gently around while spinning.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #396 on: January 01, 2011, 09:27:18 PM »
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This type of scam have been used numerous of times before by other fakers.

I know of only one attempt using electromagnetic field. That was shown by someone with the handle @RunningBare as an attempt to debunk something, probably Mylow. It was so ridiculous, however, that it would have been funny if it were not pathetic. Coluld you please give a link to another scam with rotating electromagnetic field?

There is one more (probably) fake vid that I know of -- that with the Lego motor. Someone claimed that the video is shown in reverse. That method cannot apply to the video at hand.

Mylow's also has been said to have been debunked by observig a fishing line in one of the vids. That also isn't convincing enough. The rotating magnetic field scam should also be applicable there but the question still remains. How is that done? Same thing with the Whipmag, if we believe the lie it was turning for 7 hours without external energy source (but in fact has been powered by a hidden electromagnetic field turning).

When @Roobert33 wrote to Stefan that he has faked the effect with a coil in his shirt and apparently appologized to the community, he in fact made an even greater disservice to it. If he were really honest he should have also shown how he exactly did the trick. I'd really like to see how this motor can be driven by a coil in one's shirt.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #397 on: January 01, 2011, 10:37:19 PM »
OMG, ffs, the OmniBot hyper-spamming service is still active?
What a novelty, 2011 is starting with the OmniBot's "wisdom"...

Sorry, just noticed... Ahh, it's the OU site...

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #398 on: January 01, 2011, 10:41:59 PM »
OMG, ffs, the OmniBot hyper-spamming service is still active?
What a novelty, 2011 is starting with the OmniBot's "wisdom"...

Sorry, just noticed... Ahh, it's the OU site...

spam

Offline tbird

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #399 on: January 01, 2011, 11:00:26 PM »
hi,

this is for you "mechanically inclined" to tell this "mechanically challenged" guy if he is right or wrong.

thanks!

tom

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #400 on: January 01, 2011, 11:02:39 PM »
Jeeez, the retard is still awake?
Let me guess, he probably tried to torture you with his "knowledge" over the New Year's eve, too?

Some things will never change...

Hey bot, someone mailed that "white paper" of yours to me...
Any comments?



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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #401 on: January 01, 2011, 11:06:02 PM »
The faking seems plausible. I could easily do the electromagnetic pulse trick.
When I tested the big solenoids Em's for the split spiral motor I was shocked to feel
all kind of iron tools vibrating strongly by the pulses, up to several feet's distance.
If I placed anything of iron close by then it jumped around like crazy.

Just put one of those babies under the vtrack and sync it...no shit.
It would spin like crazy, totally in grip of the Em fields.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #402 on: January 01, 2011, 11:32:30 PM »
Jeeez, the retard is still awake?
Let me guess, he probably tried to torture you with his "knowledge" over the New Year's eve, too?

Some things will never change...

Hey bot, someone mailed that "white paper" of yours to me...
Any comments?

spam

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #403 on: January 01, 2011, 11:35:33 PM »
The faking seems plausible. I could easily do the electromagnetic pulse trick.
When I tested the big solenoids Em's for the split spiral motor I was shocked to feel
all kind of iron tools vibrating strongly by the pulses, up to several feet's distance.
If I placed anything of iron close by then it jumped around like crazy.
 
Just put one of those babies under the vtrack and sync it...no shit.
It would spin like crazy, totally in grip of the Em fields.

Well, I'd be quite interested to see the particular rotor spin under these circumstances. Can you do it and post a vid?

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #404 on: January 02, 2011, 12:54:01 AM »
Well, I'd be quite interested to see the particular rotor spin under these circumstances. Can you do it and post a vid?
That I could not do, as I have neither any vtrack or time to build such design.
By doing it "easily" was if I had the vtrack and all I had to do was hook up the EM beneath it.
I only wanted to inform you that it's fully possible to influence magnets and iron by an EM from quite a distance.