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Author Topic: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33  (Read 531114 times)

Offline Omnibus

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #375 on: December 31, 2010, 08:35:09 PM »
@Omnibus: (Here's a quick outline of the situation at 2:29) I'll be back later for explanation.

Thanks, @LightRider. Looking forward to your explanation.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #376 on: December 31, 2010, 09:32:41 PM »
@LightRider,

So, on the ordinate you have plotted the lumens while the abscissa is time in seconds and every point indicates one measurement of lumens at that particular time, right? Does the zero time on the abscissa correspond to the zeroth second in the vid?

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #377 on: December 31, 2010, 10:38:20 PM »
When using four magnets as driver the idea is to not use the cam.
Instead all the magnets should be at the specific height less a few milimeters that the cam raises the magnet.

That way the cam is eliminated and there is always a good magnetic field around the rotor.

I could be wrong though.

Jesus

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #378 on: December 31, 2010, 10:44:27 PM »
When using four magnets as driver the idea is to not use the cam.
Instead all the magnets should be at the specific height less a few milimeters that the cam raises the magnet.

That way the cam is eliminated and there is always a good magnetic field around the rotor.

I could be wrong though.

Jesus

Every time you try to solve the sticky spot problem with adding more and more magnets you get deeper and deeper into the dead-end. Therefore, the device should be kept as simple and streamlined as possible.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #379 on: December 31, 2010, 11:03:09 PM »
What I think is that the sweet spot is a few milimiters below the full height of the lifted magnet by the cam.

Finding that sweet spot and instead of four magnets that are a balanced field, use three or five magnets all at that same sweet spot height around the rotor to create an unbalanced field and there will be two or four magnets against one always.

 The rotor spinning inside the magnetic field.

And the cam eliminated.

Jesus

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #380 on: December 31, 2010, 11:10:03 PM »
What I think is that the sweet spot is a few milimiters below the full height of the lifted magnet by the cam.

Finding that sweet spot and instead of four magnets that are a balanced field, use three or five magnets all at that same sweet spot height around the rotor to create an unbalanced field and there will be two or four magnets against one always.

The the rotor spinning inside the magnetic field.

And the cam eliminated.

Jesus

Now, that you have to show in an experiment. Mind you, anytime you have magnetic force pushing one way, there's always a countacting froce obstructing it. It's easy to fool oneself (I've done it many times) in thinking that a disbalance can be achieved purely magnetically. I doubt it. You have to show it to have me back in that rut. What has become obvious already is that if such motor is to work there should be negative feedback or assistance by gravity. Wish the theory of that were as clear as the theory behind the magnetic propulsor which, if nothing else, is the definitive demonstration for the violation of CoE.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #381 on: December 31, 2010, 11:14:46 PM »
A motor with a negative feedback was the Walter Torbay motor and this one (@Roobert33's) is even better because it's simple to build and tweak. I wonder what @xpenzif's was because, remember, his was somewhat inclined and that may make it gravity-assisted. As for Prendev, that would be a magnet motor of the type you're talking about --  purely magnetic motor utilizing unbalanced forces. That would be great if such a twhing can be achieve but It seems to me it would be more difficult than the negative-feedback type of a motor.
« Last Edit: January 01, 2011, 10:15:37 AM by Omnibus »

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #382 on: January 01, 2011, 02:06:19 AM »
I cannot spend money on magnets and experiments. I can barely pay my bills.

I apologize if I said something wrong.

Jesus

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #383 on: January 01, 2011, 04:27:27 AM »
@LightRider,

So, on the ordinate you have plotted the lumens while the abscissa is time in seconds and every point indicates one measurement of lumens at that particular time, right? Does the zero time on the abscissa correspond to the zeroth second in the vid?

(@FatChance!!!)
@Omnibus:

Ordinate (y-axis) => "the lumens" and Abscissa (x-axis) => "time"
(but as you noted in the analysis, the start time is not synchronized with the original video frame time (this could be revised in a future analysis if necessary)...
(the time is a "relative time" with the video ... every second of the video equal one second in the analysis)


The primary objective of this second analysis was to determine if the engine slows down at 2:29 before being touch. (question raised by FatChance!!!)

Every bump represents the "cam" crossing the surveillance zone (RGB+lumens). Or in other words each bump represents one full turn.

So the distance between two bumps is the time to make a complete revolution.

We can deduce two things, the RPM for each full turn and the constancy of the speed between each complete turn.

This analysis shows the last 6 full turn. 5 of them have a speed of 125 RPM and the last one is 88 RPM.

(60sec) / (0.48sec per turn) = 125 RPM.
(60sec) / (0.68sec per turn) = 88 RPM (last turn)

The image in my previous message (repost here) represents the moment just before hand contact. This "moment" comes during the last full turn (as we see in the image), which explains the 88 RPM.

Thanks,
LightRider

ps.: the image is reposted to facilitate understanding.



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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #384 on: January 01, 2011, 05:20:32 AM »
Great analysis @LightRider. Thanks a lot. It confirms quantitatively the observation made by @FatChance!!!. This is an example of the high quality research we should all be doing both when claiming an effect and when criticizing a claim. All the best for the coming 2011 year and hope your next fine analyses will confirm OU. Once again, Happy and Prosperous New 2011 Year to everybody.
« Last Edit: January 01, 2011, 10:13:51 AM by Omnibus »

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #385 on: January 01, 2011, 05:29:18 AM »
Of course, this last anomalous time still begs the question as to what caused it? If that anomaly indicates that those rotations were faked then  how was that achieved?

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #386 on: January 01, 2011, 07:08:24 AM »
I saw this remark at Youtube backup video of Roobert33's motor.
It sounds very likely.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bssBAb6EzM4

"Look at 2:29 just when his hand approaches to stop the rotor.
It's clearly visible that the rotor slows down well before his hand touches it.
In my book this means he switched off an external power source a bit to early,
perhaps hidden below the table, and the rotor slows down before he can reach it."


From the analysis, speed remains constant (125 RPM) until the end...

...at that time "the end" (the last cycle) the speed is reduced to 88 RPM probably because of the contact with his hand.

Thank you,

Happy New Year 2011 to all,
That the collective genius opens our eyes to new avenues.

LightRider

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #387 on: January 01, 2011, 08:02:47 AM »
From the analysis, speed remains constant (125 RPM) until the end...

...at that time "the end" (the last cycle) the speed is reduced to 88 RPM probably because of the contact with his hand.

Thank you,

Happy New Year 2011 to all,
That the collective genius opens our eyes to new avenues.

LightRider

Could you please indicate at what point on the graph does the contact with the hand occur? I remained with the impression that the sixth full turn (the anomalous one) took place before the contact with the hand and that confirms @FatChance!!!'s observation.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #388 on: January 01, 2011, 09:02:20 AM »
Could you please indicate at what point on the graph does the contact with the hand occur? I remained with the impression that the sixth full turn (the anomalous one) took place before the contact with the hand and that confirms @FatChance!!!'s observation.

@Omnibus :
The contact with the hand occur => at the largest pink dot inside the red circle. Accuracy is approximately to hundredths of seconds.
So, the contact with the hand occur exactly in the middle of the last complete revolution.

- the last complete revolution lasted 680 millisecond (not even a second)
- before the last cycle no noticeable slowdown ... a constant speed of 125 RPM

In very clear words, the slowdown seems appears exactly when the engine is touched.

I regret that my words have misled you, I hope it is more understandable now.

Many thanks,
LightRider

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #389 on: January 01, 2011, 10:10:32 AM »
@LightRider,

Thanks for the clarification. That's a complete turnaround from what I understood initially. Honestly, when @FatChance!!! mentioned his observation I watched the vid at 2:29 and somehow it appered to me that he may be right. I was even thinking of extracting that short piece and having it looped so that I can observe it over and over again. You came up with a real solution, however, and your superb quantitative data put that point to rest. Of course, I'd like to hear also what @FatChance!!! thinks about this. Thanks againg for the great job.