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Author Topic: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33  (Read 462629 times)

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #210 on: November 28, 2010, 11:46:44 PM »
like I said all these ideas are trivial and posting more of these trivialities should be discouraged to keep the discussion focused. Non-trivial is the actual making of these devices and some individuals such as @Roobert33 are obviously better than others in that.

Omni:

Chill out.  Please do not ridicule others ideas when you admitted that you still think Mylow's motor was real and working without the fish line.  I really thought that you were more intelligent than that.  And the Bill Clinton thing?  Man, I saw that a mile away the first time she stood next to him at a press conference.

This motor is not a real working motor.  The "inventor" freely admitted that.  I really don't see the point of replicating another fake.  It was an interesting design and a unique approach BUT, it did not work which is why it had to be faked.

When you come up with a working design, I will be the first to shake your hand, but, until then, anyone's ideas on how this might be done are as valid as anyone else's.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #211 on: November 28, 2010, 11:54:18 PM »

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #212 on: November 29, 2010, 12:31:50 AM »
Omni:

Chill out.  Please do not ridicule others ideas when you admitted that you still think Mylow's motor was real and working without the fish line.  I really thought that you were more intelligent than that.  And the Bill Clinton thing?  Man, I saw that a mile away the first time she stood next to him at a press conference.

This motor is not a real working motor.  The "inventor" freely admitted that.  I really don't see the point of replicating another fake.  It was an interesting design and a unique approach BUT, it did not work which is why it had to be faked.

When you come up with a working design, I will be the first to shake your hand, but, until then, anyone's ideas on how this might be done are as valid as anyone else's.

With all due respect,

Bill

It's not about ridiculing ideas. The truth is these ideas are all trivial and there's no need to generate more trivialities. You won't disagree, I hope, that overwhelmingly the posts are by armchair philosophers, repeating the obvious over and over again although in difference wraps and not by people really involved in the research. @Roober33's is by no means just an idea but is a real apparatus made with superb craftsmanship. You can't compare that with someone's scribble, calling it an idea, not to say with the impudent interference of certain individuals with their useless blabber, interrupting the discussions.

As for the admission, like I said, I don't believe a word of that admission. Please show how this drum can turn, powered by a coil in your shirt and then I may start believing it is fake. I don't know about Mylow either. The fishing line escape was too fishy. If you need a real scam, however, look at what @alsetalokin(@Tinsel Koala) did when trying to teach @overconfident a lesson. Yes, that was a genuine scam. I don't know what lesson @overconfident learned from that but many of us learned not to trust a word of what @alsetalokin(@Tinsel Koala) says.

As for @Roobert33 there may be many reasons why he went into oblivion faking an admission. He might have been threatened or may just want the likes of Sterling Allen to get off his back. People may have all kinds of reasons for such behavior. He may, for instance, think that it isn't good enough because it can't be used in its current form to cut his utility bills.

Of course, there's a new trend among those who want to squash the OU movement. They know the times have changed, especially when there's Internet, and a plain denial won't work let alone prohibition. The innovative approaches to fight the "fools" dealing with OU are, in addition to ridicule, resorting to offering plausible fakes to teach anyone of those wide eyed crazies a lesson by leading them along a garden path to nowhere. In this way they hope the coo coos will be burnt out and will stop multiplying, thus clearing the road for the mainstream. This @Roobert33 action very well may be another one of those projects aimed at what said forces see as nuisance in the face of the OU adherents. That's a possibility if we didn't already have a firm basis to know such machines are possible.

So, look at this situation from its positive perspective following from these two things: on the one hand it has already been proven that such machines can exist and on the other, instead of just theorizing @Roobert33 has actually shown a realliy skillfully made model, a model of perfection rarely seen in these forums. The question we have to ask ourselves at this point is whether or not the principles of the magnetic propulsor (the device definitively proving OU) are implemented in @Roobert33's device. If these principles are implemented then it really is a perpetuum mobile. On the face of it it appears they are but the real answer can be reached only through experiment. The theoretical analysis isn't straightforward, unfortunately.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #212 on: November 29, 2010, 12:31:50 AM »
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #213 on: November 29, 2010, 01:47:12 AM »
I guess the main thing that made me think this could possibly work was that the cam was leveraged.    I wrote this paper in 2009 about a leveraged stator concept and even named the concept LevStat.  (work in progress)     I really believe it has not been fully explored.    The V-gate rotor design by Robert33 looks to provide a possible a good test of the concept whether it works or not.   

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #214 on: November 29, 2010, 04:58:55 AM »
It seems like the sticky spot is always the problem.  I've been working on an idea to get through that sticky spot and it involves turning the magnet at the exact point where it would normally hang up.  I made a video which shows what I'm talking about at:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMtVYat4MKs

It might help with the V-track design, or maybe not? 

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #215 on: November 29, 2010, 06:19:34 AM »
@Dusty,

Good demo and thanks for sharing. Now you have to think of a way to have the device itself lock and unlock the magnets at the right moments. I tried doing it with a one-way bearing clutch which is something similar to what Mikhail Dmitriyev does. Unfortunately the clutch needs to be able to lock both ways at a certain point and after carrying through one quarter of the circle resume its one-way locking. Probably that can be accomplished but the cam idea seems more technologically viable.

As for rotating @CLaNZeR's stator (and mine too) around the axis of cylinder, that won't seem to help because the poles will stay the same. If, however, it can be rotated sideways somehow just at the right moment, having it mechanically blocked and then later released, that may help. But, again, the device itself has to spend mechanical energy for that reorganization and that energy has to be less than the energy needed to overcome the sticky spot. How can this be done without losing energy to friction?

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #216 on: November 29, 2010, 02:24:35 PM »

Just a quick idea.

I found this vid on YouTube, please take a look and then read the on...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VN6KWM8Rbc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

As you can see (If I'm making sense of the vid), the ball runs up a slight incline and because the ramp is quite far apart, it is able to drop out (via gravity) and continue rolling.

The point is: that the ball drops out at a height which is higher then its starting point.   This would suggest that the track could be bent around in a gentle curve, decreasing in height, until its at the starting point of the ramp where it might start again.

Thoughts?





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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #217 on: November 29, 2010, 02:37:55 PM »
Just a quick idea.

I found this vid on YouTube, please take a look and then read the on...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VN6KWM8Rbc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

As you can see (If I'm making sense of the vid), the ball runs up a slight incline and because the ramp is quite far apart, it is able to drop out (via gravity) and continue rolling.

The point is: that the ball drops out at a height which is higher then its starting point.   This would suggest that the track could be bent around in a gentle curve, decreasing in height, until its at the starting point of the ramp where it might start again.

Thoughts?

This experiment (not the concrete video because there are tons of such videos) has been discussed extensively and I have proved conclusively that conservation of energy principle (CoE) can be violated. As I already said, @Roobert33's experiment has to include the principles which the youtube vid you showed is based on. That will guarantee that excess energy is indeed produced which would drive @Roobert33's device. Like I said, it's difficult to analyze that theoretically and the solution will come about only through experiment. Too bad @Roobert33 disappeared in the usual manner so many claimants evaporated into thin air and we can't learn more from his experience. That behavior is so common that I would've wondered if I saw him in this discussion. That would've made me even more suspicious. That's how twisted the whole business in this area of research has become.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #218 on: November 29, 2010, 02:46:06 PM »
Dusty
Good to see your still at it ,always thinking and sharing !
Perhaps turning would cost less than lifting?
Thanks
@Phild,
Attraction only [Rob the Mr.Handman said]!! "tune" the magnets out and keep the ball rolling?
Seems to be what this fellow is doing?
Not bad for his first attempt!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VN6KWM8Rbc&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Thanks
Chet
« Last Edit: November 29, 2010, 03:13:06 PM by ramset »

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #219 on: November 29, 2010, 03:55:10 PM »
Hi.
My small observation: all guys here seem to neglect the small contraption at the bottom of the original R33 machine: it is never seen in any replica. I think, it gives a momentary "boost" to the wheel.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #220 on: November 29, 2010, 04:03:19 PM »
Hi.
My small observation: all guys here seem to neglect the small contraption at the bottom of the original R33 machine: it is never seen in any replica. I think, it gives a momentary "boost" to the wheel.

Yeah, the role of that detail is unclear. Seems like what you get as boost is due to spending of the earlier produced energy. That's how it appears superficially but there may be more to it.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #221 on: November 29, 2010, 10:37:29 PM »
One positive thought about the magnet at the bottom.... Maybe it is a control to slow the motor down since it might speed up too much and break....  if it really works.   

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #222 on: November 29, 2010, 10:38:05 PM »
Wonder why R33 used fake magnets in the V-track - made of CNC machined steel rods. I also wonder why the seesaw in the very bottom wasen't affected by the "magnets" at all, except when it was activated by the cam - it should stick instantly into the "magnets" in the V-track. I also wonder why some still believe this V-track was a working one which is worth replicating.

Just wondering.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #223 on: November 29, 2010, 11:00:49 PM »
Just a quick idea.

I found this vid on YouTube, please take a look and then read the on...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VN6KWM8Rbc&feature=youtube_gdata_player

As you can see (If I'm making sense of the vid), the ball runs up a slight incline and because the ramp is quite far apart, it is able to drop out (via gravity) and continue rolling.

The point is: that the ball drops out at a height which is higher then its starting point.   This would suggest that the track could be bent around in a gentle curve, decreasing in height, until its at the starting point of the ramp where it might start again.

Thoughts?
Let me apply some facts about such devices:

The energy that appears to "pop" up from nowhere, are actually the work done by the hand in advance. What most people doesn't know (Or just don't admit), is when releasing the steel ball further away from the ramp, it will repell and go backwards. Everyone who have tried this SMOT ramp knows this well - me included. This repelling force is easily overcomed by the hand which place the steel ball close enough to be attracted. This force over the required distance to get close enough to the ramp is the energy you need to apply in order for the steel ball to climb that hill in the first place. So what to the eye appears to be OU are not OU at all.

What seams like to be a potential difference when it regards the hight is also misunderstood. Yes the hight in altitude are greater at the end of the ramp, but the magnetic field which is affecting the ball, is virtually leveling out the difference in hight because it is more attracting at the end than in the bottom. Also when the ball falls through the ramp at the end, it does not fall at 9.81ms^2, but less due to the attraction to the magnetic ramp which slows down the acceleration towards the ground.

The above facts are the very reason why such ramps cannot be looped back. A succesful loop back are depending on overunity. No overunity will not make a successful closed loop. Also for these reasons there has never been a single video on Youtube of a successful closed loop.

EDIT: Furthermore; The ramp is also working like a hoist which exchange weight pr hight with time. It require less force but more time to roll a 1 ton car up a gentle uphill, but if the end of the hill are suddenly terminated into a steep hill, none are able to keep that car from falling down. SMOTs are nice tricks, but not OU.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #224 on: November 29, 2010, 11:13:15 PM »
Let me apply some facts about such devices:

The energy that appears to "pop" up from nowhere, are actually the work done by the hand in advance. What most people doesn't know (Or just don't admit), is when releasing the steel ball further away from the ramp, it will repell and go backwards. Everyone who have tried this SMOT ramp knows this well - me included. This repelling force is easily overcomed by the hand which place the steel ball close enough to be attracted. This force over the required distance to get close enough to the ramp is the energy you need to apply in order for the steel ball to climb that hill in the first place. So what to the eye appears to be OU are not OU at all.

What seams like to be a potential difference when it regards the hight is also misunderstood. Yes the hight in altitude are greater at the end of the ramp, but the magnetic field which is affecting the ball, is virtually leveling out the difference in hight because it is more attracting at the end than in the bottom. Also when the ball falls through the ramp at the end, it does not fall at 9.81ms^2, but less due to the attraction to the magnetic ramp which slows down the acceleration towards the ground.

The above facts are the very reason why such ramps cannot be looped back. A succesful loop back are depending on overunity. No overunity will not make a successful closed loop. Also for these reasons there has never been a single video on Youtube of a successful closed loop.

Vidar

Complete nonsense.

 

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