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Author Topic: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33  (Read 457221 times)

Offline ramset

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #135 on: November 23, 2010, 12:52:18 AM »
Laurent
This link isn't going through

laurenthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAUHrVyKJ1k

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #136 on: November 23, 2010, 12:55:45 AM »
One more observation about the cam.... it appears that it may make the rotor overbalanced.   I wonder how much counter weight is needed with the bolt in the inside of the wheel of Robert33's design?  At first I just considered the extra weight of the magnets/slugs or what every material on the opposite side of the wheel.  Now I think consideration must be given to whether the wheel must be balanced or overbalanced to work. 

Do you think replications should also be able to adjust the amount of balance weight?
Notice photo from before.

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Offline woopy

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #137 on: November 23, 2010, 12:57:18 AM »
ok

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAUHrVyKJ1k

must be better so

good luck at all

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #137 on: November 23, 2010, 12:57:18 AM »
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #138 on: November 23, 2010, 01:09:27 AM »
Thank you @pirate!

I have been blowing transistors and damaging electronic parts trying to get a self runner.

But I had a small victory yesterday when I made to work an aluminum can made hobo stove with alcohol as fuel.
It has been my first victory for a long time.

Jesus

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #139 on: November 23, 2010, 01:57:19 AM »
Just an interesting photo of my balloint pen.   The end looks similar to the magnets...

Bill
« Last Edit: November 23, 2010, 10:59:34 AM by maw2432 »

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Offline DreamThinkBuild

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #140 on: November 23, 2010, 04:56:06 AM »
Thank you Laurent, for the video of your tests with different materials. It was pretty interesting how some magnets needed very little displacement from the gate to jump it.

Now if we could just replace "Mr Hand" with "Mr Robot".

Offline ramset

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #141 on: November 23, 2010, 02:35:57 PM »
Sean,
Can you make a Quick summary of the things that Don't work with a Vgate?

I noticed you had a 2 gate track[flat] where you passed thru the 1st gate to another V ? could these be put at 45's around a long tube??

can the gate be burried? drawn down at the end [the slugs inside Rob33's wheel] diminished somehow?
Tuned out of attraction at the end??

The flat track can have many gates and excellerate ?
Just don't close them??[loop]

And a cnc question?
Can you build an erecter set out of your new machined design [the flat one your going to use for a mold]

Where the whole thing can have tongued/grooved [ ball joints]
slots and grooves for in out [V angles]

Different Magplug sizes [press in mags?]

A quick change chassis for experiments?

I'll buy one!!

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Offline Poit

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #142 on: November 23, 2010, 03:01:25 PM »
Just an interesting photo of my balloint pen.   The end looks similar to the magnets...

Bill

Thats an awesome looking pen!!!

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #143 on: November 23, 2010, 03:19:36 PM »
Sorry but a super cap will absolutely not work. It would be impossible ( I hate that word) to generate enough energy to charge a cap let alone a super cap to do anything in one revolution or should I day in less than one revolution.
Hi Omni
Regarding Paul Sprains device it was predicated to work by having a electromagnet pulsing the rotor thru the sticky spot. Again with less than one revolution not enough energy can be generated to do this. To increase somehow the torque to generate more energy in a cap system on ly increase the strength of the sticky spot. At this point its a mystery.

You missed my point.  I did not say 1 revolution but maybe thousands initially.  Now the supercap has real power and some good, well timed powerful pulses just may do something in Jesus's design.  Super caps charge up very, very fast and can store a lot of power...relatively speaking. 

I can spin my Bedini motor up with one flick of my wrist and it will turn many, many thousands of time with that initial impulse.

Just a thought, I am not saying this will work any better, or at all.

Bill

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #144 on: November 23, 2010, 05:20:12 PM »
You missed my point.  I did not say 1 revolution but maybe thousands initially.  Now the supercap has real power and some good, well timed powerful pulses just may do something in Jesus's design.  Super caps charge up very, very fast and can store a lot of power...relatively speaking. 

I can spin my Bedini motor up with one flick of my wrist and it will turn many, many thousands of time with that initial impulse.

Just a thought, I am not saying this will work any better, or at all.


Bill
If you have a device that will spin 1000's of time of course a super cap would store a lot of energy. I was talking specificialy about a magnetic motor configuration where so far there has been not a single completed  revolution. Your work with earth batteries is great!
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #145 on: November 23, 2010, 06:33:47 PM »
@woopy

Thank you for taking the time to show us the different metals on the vgate.
I mean how it reacts to them.

Jesus

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #146 on: November 23, 2010, 11:16:05 PM »
Thats an awesome looking pen!!!

@ Poit,   the pen is really just a cheap pen with a metal looking clicker on the end.   Not only does it look like a metal but these plastic coated ends could fool one into thinking it was a magnet.   It could be a way to make an inexpensive fake.   The pen clicker tops would only cost a fraction of real magnets.  My question is what else would be required to make this an inexpensive and real looking/working desktop top toy?  Even if this really does not work,  replication attemps may still be worth building to have a cool desktop demonstration toy.  So even if one thinks this may be fake, it may really encourage some replication attempts.  Who knows,  maybe even discover something that can work.  I may even give it a try with the limited materials that I have from other experiments.   
     
Bill
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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #147 on: November 24, 2010, 12:00:35 AM »
@All,

Here's an update of my replication attempt.  I had the 64 cylinders made by the machinist as well as a drum of 80mm dia and 60mm height. I assembled the whole thing and the result was that it won't budge. The device has to be made really light and the shown construction of the drum with the spirally placed iron cylinders may not be the best setup. I won't show a pic or a vid of it because it is trivial. A year ago I was carrying out experiments which I haven't shown in this or other forums which used much different rendition of the same attraction idea. I had the rotor make almost full turn (up to the sticky spot) but I didn't continue by adding a cam. I think these experiments should be resurrected as more promising than the design at hand. In the discussed case it is obvious @Roobert has found conditions for the device to work and a successful replication would only depend on his good will to share his findings. Otherwise, it would be much simpler to further the research by going back to the design I mentioned above (I'll show it in due time). There's nothing fancy, innovative or exceptional about these feedback type designs. The devil is in finding the right conditions and the right balance of forces which will allow for the perpetuum mobile effect to show itself. It's a pretty painful and time consuming process but those of us who are really interested in this
question have to persevere.

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #148 on: November 24, 2010, 12:03:43 AM »
Hi all.....Ihave been try to get that wheel to spin for over the past ten years,.......gravity and magnetic attraction,......I think you have to add dimension to the mix......magnetism and gravity seem to be equal in force.....instead of a flat plane work with a sphere....I built a spherical rotor..it had 8 poles 4n  4s,....the poles went all around it with = strength.........if you place opposing magnets all around the outside,....slightly offset.............maybe rotation?......just a thought........shylo

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Re: New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33
« Reply #149 on: November 24, 2010, 12:37:15 AM »
This may be a good rotor for me to try.   It is 97mm dia by 50mm wide.
I wonder if thumb tacs would make a good attracting V-gate effect?

Bill

 

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