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Author Topic: Steel Chain Magnetic Transfer Motor - a bulletproof idea (allmost)  (Read 5099 times)

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Hi again. This evening has been great. Good to emty my ideas into this forum and get some fresh air...

Anyways, the next idea seems to be bullet proof. It is based on the principle that two steel parts repel eachother when close to either S or N magnetic pole. These same steel parts will attract eachother when each of them reapectively are in precense of a N and S pole.

In the drawing below I have taken two steel chains and let them go between the rollers "A". Right after this roller, there is a magnet pole - it could be S or N; I choosed N. The steel chain will now, as explained above, be forced apart. This force will also affect the rollers "A" so they are pushed to the left - see green arrows.

Now after the chains has passed this magnet they will rest on rollers "B". After rollers "B", the chains are respectively passing each N and S pole of a second magnet, and therefor forced together. This force will allso affect rollers "B" so they are pushed to the left.

This setup of magnets and rollers can be repeated to increase force.

Well that is the idea anyways.

Any comments are welcome :)

Vidar

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Re: Steel Chain Magnetic Transfer Motor - a bulletproof idea (allmost)
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2010, 11:24:02 PM »
This post contiues from another thread found here:

I quote:
@Low-Q
Sorry about the Christmas thing, I guess I was just to excited about the concept of operation in general.
I mean, this has to work! Just take into account the only two things that could possibly prevent it from working.

#1 Magnetic remanence.
Once somethings are magnetized, they tend to want to stay magnetized. There are materials used in shielding that do not remain magnetized and would be a good choice to eliminate this problem.

#2 Surface exposure.
If a stack of washers are exposed to a magnetic field in a parallel direction, they will become magnetized in a common direction and repel from each other. The attraction to the magnet also increases due to a larger exposed area to the magnetic field. But in a continuous band or ring, the increased field area does not increase or change the direction, it can only increase the #1 effect.

This shows that the RING MOTOR or your chain motor or several other motors that employ this concept are GUARANTEED to operate!
The chain motor (not chain saw) are "GUARANTEED" to operate. OK! Let us see what most probably happens:

The two chains will pull apart within the whole area of the magnetic pole. What we already know is that these chains also will be pulled harder to the magnetic pole when they are apart, than when they are close together. My view on the subject is that magnetism will try to pull back that part of the chain which has already left the surface of the magnet. This pull is greater than the pull it performs on the other side where the chains are closer together. My guess is that this difference in force will perfectly counterforce the push it will perform on the wheels.

Try two washers and slide them across a magnetic pole. The washers will be pulled towards the magnet even if they are outside of the physical surface of the magnet. If the washers are slightly further apart, the pull will be greater. This very same thing will probably also happen when using a continous chain which enters and exits the magnetic pole with different mutual distance.

However, it can be another force that also come into play. The part of the chains which has further mutual distance also want to move in the direction inwhich the distance between the chains are greater. So the chain are not only forced to move by the pressure it presents on the wheels, but also because the force between the magnet and the chains are greater in the same direction due to the increased mutual distance between the chains.

So hopefully the result is greater or less than zero - that is what OU is all about; math that doesn't make sense.

This remains to be seen in practice - how it reaaly turns out to work (or not).

Vidar

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Re: Steel Chain Magnetic Transfer Motor - a bulletproof idea (allmost)
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2010, 04:37:32 PM »
This is an alternative version of the chain motor. A magnet ribbon (made of several magnets in an array), will repell when equal poles are facing. The polarity will also "twist" 180 degrees inside a magnetic shield so there can be attraction between the magnet ribbons.

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Re: Steel Chain Magnetic Transfer Motor - a bulletproof idea (allmost)
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2010, 04:37:32 PM »
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Re: Steel Chain Magnetic Transfer Motor - a bulletproof idea (allmost)
« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2010, 12:04:40 AM »
L-Q,
please, take under consideration that placing oversized material makes difficult reading your thread. Wuold you like to modify this, please?

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Re: Steel Chain Magnetic Transfer Motor - a bulletproof idea (allmost)
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2010, 12:25:56 AM »
Sorry. I was not aware of it as I have a 26 inch computer screen. I can make the pictures smaller. Thanks for bringing this up:)

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Re: Steel Chain Magnetic Transfer Motor - a bulletproof idea (allmost)
« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2010, 12:25:56 AM »
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Re: Steel Chain Magnetic Transfer Motor - a bulletproof idea (allmost)
« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2010, 11:41:45 AM »
Here is a smaller picture of the one above:

However, a simpler and more "efficient" version which use the same principal here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10059.msg265273#msg265273

 

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