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Author Topic: Lafonte based generator.  (Read 9109 times)

Offline broli

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Lafonte based generator.
« on: November 15, 2010, 05:23:21 PM »
For a while now I wanted to propose a rotary design for a concept shown by Butch Lafonte, which really got shoved in the dark for no apparent reason. I'm talking about the effect that magnets can be moved effortlessly when between a flux path as can be seen here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhfqe2dyR3s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZqJhm_8LpA

The attached concept is based on the later. This generator should produce no forward or back torque, all the forces should be perpendicular to the motion of rotation irregardless of the fact that the coils generate their own magnetic field. You can have as much static magnets/coil groups around the perimiter. When the rotor magnet goes from one group to the next it decreases the flux through the coil which makes it induce an EMF and thus generate current. But there is no "reducing factor" in this setup. Whether or not the coil is producing its own field it won't affect the motion of the rotor. All the forces should be parallel to the rotation axis.

I admit it's not an easy built as without soft ferrite rings/disks it's a fools build due to eddy currents. But it's also not a very advanced built as it eliminates the reciprocating actions seen in the video.

Butch has shown and demonstrated many interesting concepts but it's sad to see that most if not all have fallen on deaf ears. Yet people spend money and effort chasing after closed off ideas.

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Lafonte based generator.
« on: November 15, 2010, 05:23:21 PM »

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Re: Lafonte based generator.
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2010, 05:09:18 AM »

"Butch has shown and demonstrated many interesting concepts but it's sad to see that most if not all have fallen on deaf ears. Yet people spend money and effort chasing after closed off ideas".
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Broli,
I don't understand why over 50 designs that work were just passed over. It is so clear that overunity is at work in these designs. No wonder there are no working overunity devices out there, people don't know one when someone puts it right in their face.
Butch

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Re: Lafonte based generator.
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2010, 07:52:11 AM »
"Butch has shown and demonstrated many interesting concepts but it's sad to see that most if not all have fallen on deaf ears. Yet people spend money and effort chasing after closed off ideas".

Broli,
I don't understand why over 50 designs that work were just passed over. It is so clear that overunity is at work in these designs. No wonder there are no working overunity devices out there, people don't know one when someone puts it right in their face.
Butch

It's ironic to see people whine about open sourcing and sharing. But when it does happen it's completely ignored. If every human could build all his ideas the world would be a different place, but we don't live in such world. Some have a more fortunate positions than others when it comes to building, it's only when we cooperate that we can make up for each others short comings. To share and contribute, that's what's open source is about.

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Re: Lafonte based generator.
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2010, 07:52:11 AM »
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Re: Lafonte based generator.
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2010, 09:24:58 AM »
"Butch has shown and demonstrated many interesting concepts but it's sad to see that most if not all have fallen on deaf ears. Yet people spend money and effort chasing after closed off ideas".

Broli,
I don't understand why over 50 designs that work were just passed over. It is so clear that overunity is at work in these designs. No wonder there are no working overunity devices out there, people don't know one when someone puts it right in their face.
Butch

I don't really understand you Butch. You have presented 50 designs. Cool. How many of them are working ones ? How many of them are already found concepts (like Flynn's PPMT presented in your second video as if it was your finding)? Anyway, none of these have ever led anybody into achieving overunity. So I don't really see, at this point, any reason why I should salute you. Just to make it clear - I'm familiar with your designs but I find absolutely nothing interesting in them. Sorry.

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Re: Lafonte based generator.
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2010, 12:58:20 PM »
I don't really understand you Butch. You have presented 50 designs. Cool. How many of them are working ones ? How many of them are already found concepts (like Flynn's PPMT presented in your second video as if it was your finding)? Anyway, none of these have ever led anybody into achieving overunity. So I don't really see, at this point, any reason why I should salute you. Just to make it clear - I'm familiar with your designs but I find absolutely nothing interesting in them. Sorry.

I'm surprised. It's rare to see so much bullshit condensed in such a small paragraph, congratulations.

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Re: Lafonte based generator.
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Re: Lafonte based generator.
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2010, 01:32:45 PM »
I'm surprised. It's rare to see so much bullshit condensed in such a small paragraph, congratulations.
And this bullshit can be found exactly where if you can be precise ?

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Re: Lafonte based generator.
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2010, 09:16:07 PM »
I was thinking about this and was wondering would use of the following ferrite rings be plausable;

http://cgi.ebay.com/Russian-M15BA-300-1k-Ferrite-Ring-100x50x9-mm-Lot-6-/250701996914?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a5f00e372

If so, first dumb question - is ferrite immune to eddy currents?  A think Butch mentions in his video that ceramic heated beyond it curie temp would be needed.  One obvious problem I see is the mechanical friction between the disks and the spinning magnets - maybe some nylon washers and lots of grease...

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Offline broli

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Re: Lafonte based generator.
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2010, 10:02:09 PM »
I was thinking about this and was wondering would use of the following ferrite rings be plausable;

http://cgi.ebay.com/Russian-M15BA-300-1k-Ferrite-Ring-100x50x9-mm-Lot-6-/250701996914?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a5f00e372

If so, first dumb question - is ferrite immune to eddy currents?  A think Butch mentions in his video that ceramic heated beyond it curie temp would be needed.  One obvious problem I see is the mechanical friction between the disks and the spinning magnets - maybe some nylon washers and lots of grease...

The only reason why ferrite is mentioned is due to eddy currents. So yes it's immune because it's a bad conductor. The curie temp has little relevance imo. As for friction, obviously you want a very small air gap between rotor and stator. This might have small disadvantages but the advantages far outweigh a design with no air gap and maximum friction.

Offline Sprocket

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Re: Lafonte based generator.
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2010, 06:56:32 PM »
I know it's supposed to be an air-gap, and not such a problem with those huge magnets Bruce was playing with.  The reason I posted a link to the ferrite rings was for feedback on the feasibility of scaling it down to using much smaller magnets - the outside diameter of these rings are just 10cm, so we're talking much smaller magnets, therefore the air-gap would have to be correspondingly smaller than the 1mm cited by Bruce to redirect a useful amount of flux.  I would have problems with the 1mm not to mind smaller spacings, hence the washer & grease notion...

Good to know about the eddy currents though or lack thereof, I have no unmagnetised ferrite rings that I could have spun up and checked for myself.  I might just order a few of those rings and have a play with the idea.  It makes sense and I'd love to see something that generated power without also generating back-torque when loaded.

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Re: Lafonte based generator.
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2010, 08:08:43 PM »
I was also thinking, what if you replaced both disks as above with ferrite E-cores, 1 above, 1 below each magnet-pair, therefore 4 E-cores for the above set-up.  That way you could wind your pick-up coils on the E-cores themselves, tapping both the main flux path as well as the secondary one.

Or do you need a 'continuous' flux path (ferrite all the way round) to produce the 'Bruce Effect'?  Maybe 'fat' E-cores??  Just musing...

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Re: Lafonte based generator.
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2010, 09:05:01 PM »
The only reason why ferrite is mentioned is due to eddy currents. So yes it's immune because it's a bad conductor. The curie temp has little relevance imo. As for friction, obviously you want a very small air gap between rotor and stator. This might have small disadvantages but the advantages far outweigh a design with no air gap and maximum friction.
Sure but you forgot about one common problem with ferrite cores - they usually have very low saturation level - you cannot use strong magnetic field on them. That's why you don't usually see this kind of cores in the motors. But maybe you can suggest some ferrite cores for that ?

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Re: Lafonte based generator.
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2010, 09:08:52 PM »
Sure but you forgot about one common problem with ferrite cores - they usually have very low saturation level - you cannot use strong magnetic field on them. That's why you don't usually see this kind of cores in the motors. But maybe you can suggest some ferrite cores for that ?

Then why not just stick with ferrite magnets too?

Offline norman6538

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Re: Lafonte based generator.
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2018, 01:44:34 AM »
Does anybody know if Butch LaFonte is  still  around.
I have not seen and recent posts and I'll like to
get in touch with him about some new ideas.

Norman

 

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