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[Localjoe]

Well yes and no... is a battery pulsed dc or ac??? Im not thinking so...yet it can also act in series with a circuit.  This leads me to believe something else is going on. If someone can answer this in good faith and tell me why would that metal reaction give more amps of current near dry tree soil separated 5 or 6 feet than in a wet soil a foot apart? If we can answer that it may shed more light on how this is working.  I dont know something i'm not telling those are just my observations that don't fit the logical conclusions.

[Pirate88179]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_battery

The above is a good link to info on this type of device.  I have read where the water in the ground may act as an electrolite but I am getting reasonably good results in dry soil.  Tesla said that there is enough electricty in the earth to supply all of our needs forever.

I do think it makes a different what type of metals are used, and the position relating to the poles of the earth seem to be important as well. Nathan Stubblefield appeared to use coil types of devices set into the ground as did some others. (See link above)

I have not yet tried to link several in series to see what happens yet...hopefully this weekend will be good for that.

Bill

[Localjoe]

Good thinking Bill,
                        I really think that this doesn't have anything to do with a galvanic reaction. Mainly because of the tree factor .. Why is my current 10 times higher near a large old tree with dry soil?  If it were real moist ground It could fit possibly, and maybe the tree roots have something that would speed up the reaction or help it but thats a stretch and if the height didn't make much of a difference It could fit  too but with this experiment when the zinc screw is raised higher than the copper in the ground you see an increase of voltage and current. So the proximity to the tree and the height of the electrodes regardless of distance I see as factors that don't fit the galvanic cell description. I do understand there is a ratio to the ammts of metal in a galvanic cell but this is too much of an extreme. Consider inserting different amounts of the metals into the conductive medium  and theres probably a fall off point where you would see diminishing returns but thats assuming your exposing all the surface aera to that.  Why would taking some of the screw out raise the voltage and current instead of making it fall ?

[Pirate88179]

Exactly!  My best voltage was with the 2" long screw, which I started almost burried completly, backed out more than halfway.  This was once I did as you said and moved it around the polar alignment to find the best spot.  I wish I could visualize what was going on here.  Common sense would suggest that we could sink 10' long copper rods/tubes and 10' long zink material and get a large voltage when in fact, I'll bet it would be less.  This seems to be something just below the surface as if there was a circular field of energy, like a vortex on its side, with the top edge of the field just below the surface.  Maybe the other edge of the vortex is just below the surface on the other side of the planet...who knows?

Some early experimenters (1800's) used copper plates and zink plates and burried them just below the surface as well.  I don't know how much voltage they got out of them but then, probably neither did they. (No voltmeters at the time) There are a lot of varibles to play with here by experimentation.  I even tried an empty aluminum beer can twisted into the soil (dirt, no grass) only maybe 1/16 inch and got .29 vdc between it and my north facing copper pipe.  I also set a neo magnet into the dirt about 1/4 inch and between the copper pipe and the mag I got .94 vdc.  distance was, in all cases about 16" from the pipe, give or take.

Bill

[Localjoe]

Remember neo magnet .... I forgot to mention i put one on my zinc screw to start with ... easy way to hold the agitator clip lead on wouldn't bite.. I wasn't testing voltage or current at the time i was out there with a d battery or 2 in a holder and i put the positive from the battery to the zinc screw, negative of battery to the led and a jumper from the copper pipe to the positive side on the led and it ran the current through the ground. Maybe the magnet had something to do with part of it anyways, ive been reading all the patents and every one i find seems to take the outputs and connect them to inductors. coils. One shows two induction coils for the old clock battery so one lead to each but another looks like an ac transformer single wire connects the plate and screw and is wound around an iron core then another wire comes off that for the circuit,secondary we'll say. I think keeping the power in an electromagnetic state.. i know thats not the proper term, but if we transform that earth energy to magnetic then wind leads off of that transformer i think that might be the trick so we would set up and oscillator on the other side that we will be stepping up.  I see it common in all the patents just a little different each time.  Tell me what you think

[Pirate88179]

I have not read the patents yet, but I will do so.  I did see a video (from google earth battery search) that showed a guy with a coil device he said replicated the early experimenters and he only got about what I got from an empty beer can sitting on the ground to the copper pipe.

I don't know a lot about coils.  I am familiar with what they do and all, but I am not an electronics guy by any means.  Did it mention what was used for the cores in the coils? (I will read the patents)  What if we used the copper pipe on the north side and a capacitor, partially in the ground for the secondary metal?  We could take the voltage off of the outside of the cap and the pipe and route it into the cap for charging.  Maybe a combination of coils, caps...and who knows?  I was wondering if a resonance might be involved somehow for tuning for max voltage.  The diameter of the copper pipe, length, length in the ground, distance from screw, or other zince or metal.  Maybe the variables have to be "tuned" so a type of resonance takes place that matches the eath's resonance, or a fraction thereof, in some way.

I have not found much anywhere on the web about anyone really working on this in modern day. (Except for the video I mentioned)  what I mean is, I have not seen anywhere that a university or science foundation has fully explored this and determined it is not viable.  It appears the old guys were getting usable electricity from these things.  I wonder what happend?  Possibly 1 cent a kilowatt hour for electricity delivered to your house made further research not practicle at that time.

I also read that one guy, who also had patents, heated and illuminated his home using only this type of device.
Off to read some patents.

Bill

[Pirate88179]

http://www.flicklife.com/185b45ae4752a1e7d544/Battery_Hack_The_Planet.html

This link is to a pretty good video.  He said he is getting 1.5 amps I believe.  I think his rods are too close together and he could get more with a little experimentation.  He uses it to run an LED in his bathroom...for free.  A step in the right direction.  Read most of the patents, a few more to go.

Bill

[Localjoe]

Bill if that dude is right we found out way more than him already and just havent realized it .  He stopped with the electrodes that close....  and we just need longer pieces of metal.......... Awesome find man that just solidified this is defiantly worth our while.

[Pirate88179]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmNoLfjIEac

Above link is another video that is a kind of replication of Stubblefield.  I am not impressed by the results shown here.  Just thought you might like to see it if you have not already.

The other video from my earlier post does not even mention if he aligned with the north/south meridian or not.  If not, probably more power there from just this change.  Also, I think he said one rod was a grounding rod...are these zinc coated?

The following is a list of metals and their potentials in the earth:

[edit] Metals and Soils
Potential Differences of metals
(Soil Galvanic series) 
Metal
... Potential
V Cu/CuSO4 electrode
Magnesium (pure) -1.75
Magnesium (alloy) -1.60
Zinc -1.10
Alluminum (alloy) -1.05
Aluminum (pure) -0.8
Steel (clean) -0.50 to -0.80
Steel (rusted) -0.20 to -0.50
Cast Iron -0.50
Lead -0.50
Steel (concrete) -0.20
Copper -0.20
Brass -0.20
Bronze -0.20
Steel (mill scale) -0.20
Cast iron (high silicon) -0.20
Carbon +0.30
Graphite +0.30
Coke +0.30
Notes:
Non-uniform conditions at node surface 


I am not sure, but I think the idea is to choose two that are as far apart on the scale as possible.  If I am calculating this correctly....I used a coper tube (-.20) and a zinc coated screw (-1.10) and this gives a difference of -.90 and I achieved .94.  If these numbers really correlate this way, then we can calculate, within reason, the potential of our metals.  I could be wrong about this.  I would like to try carbon or graphite (+.30) and zinc (-1.10) which should be a 1.4 potential.  This could get interesting.

Bill

[Localjoe]

Ive got a few carbon rods left from an electrolysis exp i'll try that one tomorrow too if i have a chance