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Author Topic: Water battery with similar metals?  (Read 19735 times)

Offline ibpointless2

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Re: Water battery with similar metals?
« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2010, 03:17:13 PM »
I don't think my Water captret is really a water captret, but it does show some capacitor and electret effect it just i don't want to confuse people with names. I name things the way i see it, and the water captret is just water and it acts like a capacitor and a electret so the name might stick. But for the record the water captret and the regular captret are two different thing that happen to be very same, if that makes any sense.

As for the water captret it also seems to be a water battery, well, it's more water battery than any water battery out their. I say this because it seems it might be consuming the water as a power source, the water is being transformed into hydrogen and oxygen from what i'm seeing. And unlike a normal water battery where it has two dissimilar metals and one of the metals is consumed this water captret has the same metals and still produce power without consuming the metals themselves.

So in-fact the water captret are merely batteries, when used produce hydrogen. So that voltage amiplication i was seeing in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGQmHY0ervQ was merely do to the fact that the water captret is a battery that was put in series to give me more voltage. So if you think this who experiment is a bust, you're forgetting that in order to have a water battery you needed two dissimilar metals but yet the water captret is the same metals that use regular old tap water- this is amazing.

The water captrets can be used by them selfs as batteries and they can be hooked in parallel and charge a capacitor too. when you do use them bubbles start to form on the pates and i believe they're hydrogen and oxygen bubbles. Whats even more crazy is that you can short the water captret out and bubbles will start form, so even when shorted its producing power. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITf0zNdNK0M
its crazy to think that you can make hydrogen without any power needed.

So this is what i've seen so far, its easy to copy this experiment and cheap too so please do try yourself.

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Re: Water battery with similar metals?
« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2010, 03:17:13 PM »

Offline billmehess

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Re: Water battery with similar metals?
« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2010, 05:08:32 PM »
I don't see why it shouldn't but i'm going to need more than a diode, maybe a joule thief. and also more of the caps need to be in series inorder to get something of that nature.
This will not charge the battery. Your cap (by the way what is the value of the cap) will simply discharge into the battery. Since the cap.value is most likley low there will be no effect on the battery. If you charge up a line of caps in series that will decrease the total cap. even more.
You are looking at voltage in vs voltage out , this can be extremely misleading. You need to look at power in (watts) vs power out (watts). Consider a Van De Graff generator. A 12 volt power supply can produce 100's of thousand of volts out put the current is in the micro or pico range.
In these types of batteries its all about amperage not so much voltage.
Keep experimenting though- good for you!


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Re: Water battery with similar metals?
« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2010, 11:21:25 PM »
Now i'm getting somewhere with this water captret "water battery" idea.

For a long time i couldn't piece it together as to why it was working the way it does, i could not figure out how to get more voltage out of it. Now i've figured it out.

To get more voltage and have the water captret run at its best performance is very simple. The big piece of aluminium needs to big but very THIN. The littler piece of aluminum needs to be small but really THICK.

Before with my normal setup i could get around .100 volts. Now with a big Thin piece and a Thick little piece I seen voltages as high as .500 volts.

So there you have it, Its about thickness and size and the right combo gives you good voltage.

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Re: Water battery with similar metals?
« Reply #18 on: December 28, 2010, 11:34:47 PM »
Here is an interesting experiment you can try. See how long it takes to charge up your cap.
Go ahead and put together a quick water battery with copper and zink or a galvanized plate and compare the charging rates of both of them. The speed of the cap. charge is directly related to the amperage from the charging device. A good cap to use is a 4700mf 25v electolytic. Give it a try you will  learn a lot.


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Re: Water battery with similar metals?
« Reply #19 on: December 28, 2010, 11:40:01 PM »
Here is an interesting experiment you can try. See how long it takes to charge up your cap.
Go ahead and put together a quick water battery with copper and zink or a galvanized plate and compare the charging rates of both of them. The speed of the cap. charge is directly related to the amperage from the charging device. A good cap to use is a 4700mf 25v electolytic. Give it a try you will  learn a lot.

I don't make water batteries the way you described, I don't use copper or zink or any dissimilar metals. My Water batteries use only Aluminum foil for both plates.

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Re: Water battery with similar metals?
« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2010, 11:56:43 PM »
ok, I was just interested in the amperage produced. You are doing some good work!

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Re: Water battery with similar metals?
« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2010, 03:19:20 AM »
As i been playing with the water captret "water battery" trying different prototypes i found that my cats prefer to drink the water captret water. I'm not worried as it is only tap water but it is quite strange they would come all the way here, far from the water and food dish, to drink my water captret water. They seem to really like it, don't know if the water taste different or if its the shinny aluminum foil attracting them.

The cats seem as normal and healthy as they ever been. I just can't figure out why they would go all the way across the house to drink out of a small cup of water, their heads barely fit in and if the water is at the bottom they will try to get to it? Makes me want to drink the water to see whats so great about it.

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« Reply #21 on: December 29, 2010, 03:19:20 AM »
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Re: Water battery with similar metals?
« Reply #22 on: December 29, 2010, 04:08:21 AM »
Its about 7pm and I have just finished replicating ibpointless2 alum. foil battery. It certainly works and I have been able to charge up a 4900 mf 25 volt cap to 177 mv.
The big problem with water batteries is that the cat. and anodes will breakdown. Using auminum
this would not happen. I am going to run some long term test to see if anything unexpected happens. Also I will set some cells up in series and parallel to monitor voltage and amperage.
Congradulations to ib!!

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Re: Water battery with similar metals?
« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2010, 04:47:05 AM »
Its about 7pm and I have just finished replicating ibpointless2 alum. foil battery. It certainly works and I have been able to charge up a 4900 mf 25 volt cap to 177 mv.
The big problem with water batteries is that the cat. and anodes will breakdown. Using auminum
this would not happen. I am going to run some long term test to see if anything unexpected happens. Also I will set some cells up in series and parallel to monitor voltage and amperage.
Congradulations to ib!!

Thanks, thats about what i'm getting too. I've seen up to .600 volts sometimes.

i'm doing long term test too, i've got one that is completely shorted out and so far the plates seem to be fine and look like new. I actually believe that shorting them out is much better for them as they will find there sweet spot. After you had them shorted out they will not go dead like normal batteries, they seem to go back up in voltage like a electret.

You can also put them in series with a AA battery and it will increase the AA battery voltage and charge a capacitor too.

I'm also testing to see if my cats will prefer to go to water in the water captret or just regular tap water in a cup. So far my cat has gone directly to the water captret one even though the regular tap water was closer she still wanted the water captret water.

 

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« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2010, 02:04:59 PM »
Hello ib,

Thanks for sharing your research. I just wanted to make a comment about the water in your experiments. If the only metal you are using is aluminum then it is probably not too far of a stretch to say that small amounts of aluminum may be oxidizing off its surface, or actually dissolving in the water. Aluminum is very slightly soluble in water.

That being said, it is also a noted tidbit that Alzheimer victims have been found to have an elevated level of aluminum deposits in their brain tissues. Where this aluminum comes from I don't think has ever been definitively determined. My suspicion is it is from the aluminum chlorohydrate that is so common in underarm antiperspirants, but again, there is no definitive proof on that either.

I just mention this so that you may consider keeping your cats and yourself from drinking the water from your experiments. I am probably totally off base here, but I thought I would throw this out as something to consider. Thanks again for your efforts.

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« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2011, 06:10:41 PM »
Thanks, thats about what i'm getting too. I've seen up to .600 volts sometimes.

i'm doing long term test too, i've got one that is completely shorted out and so far the plates seem to be fine and look like new. I actually believe that shorting them out is much better for them as they will find there sweet spot. After you had them shorted out they will not go dead like normal batteries, they seem to go back up in voltage like a electret.

You can also put them in series with a AA battery and it will increase the AA battery voltage and charge a capacitor too.

I'm also testing to see if my cats will prefer to go to water in the water captret or just regular tap water in a cup. So far my cat has gone directly to the water captret one even though the regular tap water was closer she still wanted the water captret water.

Good afternoon
I have been reading your thread with much interest. Have you been able to put your water water batteries in a series to build voltage?
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Re: Water battery with similar metals?
« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2011, 09:28:42 PM »
Good afternoon
I have been reading your thread with much interest. Have you been able to put your water water batteries in a series to build voltage?
Bizzy

yes, i've gotten it up to a 1 volt. I one experiment i left it connected to a resistor and over time it started outputting more power than what i started with.

I've had hook the cells up to a battery to increase the voltage output of the battery and gotten a 1.5 battery to light a 2.5 LED.

I've been fine tunning the cells, trying to keep evaporations away has been my main goal.


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« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2011, 09:36:25 PM »
yes, i've gotten it up to a 1 volt. I one experiment i left it connected to a resistor and over time it started outputting more power than what i started with.

I've had hook the cells up to a battery to increase the voltage output of the battery and gotten a 1.5 battery to light a 2.5 LED.

I've been fine tunning the cells, trying to keep evaporations away has been my main goal.
Good afternoon
This sounds interesting and would like to run it side my side with my magnesium/carbon batteries. What metals have you used so far?
Thanks
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Re: Water battery with similar metals?
« Reply #28 on: February 22, 2011, 12:29:17 AM »
Good afternoon
This sounds interesting and would like to run it side my side with my magnesium/carbon batteries. What metals have you used so far?
Thanks
Bizzy

I've also used graphite in distilled water and work fine. A lot of metals will work, the only important thing is that you use similar metals instead of dissimilar metals, if you don't then you merely created a galvanic reaction. The voltage will be low but thats due to the galvanic reaction being eliminated. With cell like your magnesium/carbon batteries they get most of their voltage from the galvanic reaction and due to the galvanic reaction the magnesium will soon corrode away and the battery will stop working. This is what i'm try to get rid of so that i can have batteries that will last for a very long time. As to why i get electricity is from my theory that water is a electret.


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Re: Water battery with similar metals?
« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2011, 04:15:48 AM »
yes, i've gotten it up to a 1 volt. I one experiment i left it connected to a resistor and over time it started outputting more power than what i started with.

I've had hook the cells up to a battery to increase the voltage output of the battery and gotten a 1.5 battery to light a 2.5 LED.

I've been fine tunning the cells, trying to keep evaporations away has been my main goal.

 Try Mineral oil or if you like buy some therm oil for batteries to reduce the evaporation. I like the smell of the mineral oil better then the therm oil.

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