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Author Topic: Finalizing Ed Gray's System Build  (Read 18533 times)

Offline Zarko

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Re: Finalizing Ed Gray's System Build
« Reply #30 on: September 17, 2010, 05:29:15 PM »
Thank You Gustav!!

You have certainly explained how to use the transistors!

But I don't believe the article is correct that the LV rod is a capacitor with the grid.  The picture of the Tube in the patent shows the grid around the HV rod ONLY.  And Gray says the arc "electrostatically couples" with the grid.  He doesn't say anything about capacitive coupling.  And he ALWAYS uses the word "couple" to mean "connect".

The reason Hackenberger couldn't replicate the earlier success was because the first thing he did was rewind all the motor coils with bigger wire.  With positive potential only, little wires don't burn out, but give much more power because there's a lot more amp turns.

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Re: Finalizing Ed Gray's System Build
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Re: Finalizing Ed Gray's System Build
« Reply #31 on: September 17, 2010, 05:43:20 PM »
Thank You Gustav!!

You have certainly explained how to use the transistors!

But I don't believe the article is correct that the LV rod is a capacitor with the grid.  The picture of the Tube in the patent shows the grid around the HV rod ONLY.  And Gray says the arc "electrostatically couples" with the grid.  He doesn't say anything about capacitive coupling.  And he ALWAYS uses the word "couple" to mean "connect".

The reason Hackenberger couldn't replicate the earlier success was because the first thing he did was rewind all the motor coils with bigger wire.  With positive potential only, little wires don't burn out, but give much more power because there's a lot more amp turns.
Fin, that is understand.
Jed the gray, device , the condensor is in other function.
Waht i will explain: Above shematics diodes zener caps in serie is another mind, that i tried to transferre in engisch words and sense.  ONLY AC will transferred (near) correctly over condensors.
(half waves , or unsemetrica half waves -over zeers- ,
will only charge up an cap with DC.

(an zener with (Example) 0,7volt (one side) 7 volt (other direction), will  transferre  about 2 volt ac to the cap,
IF the Input (AC) to this circuit was 10volts.

Possibly its now better to understend. otherwise i will
do small handwritten schematics for you

Gustav


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Re: Finalizing Ed Gray's System Build
« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2010, 07:37:38 PM »
There's been quite a bit of discussion about Gray's motor operating in resonance.  But this concept of high frequency oscillations is in conflict with Edwin's statement that the magnetic field is oriented 360 degrees.  Even John Bedini shows the North pole field on the side of the coil, rather than one end.  This kind of field can only be produced by unidirectional positive pulses.

@Gustav: If Gray used a vacuum tube for his diode, my question is if this can act as a zener?

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« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2010, 08:03:45 PM »
There's been quite a bit of discussion about Gray's motor operating in resonance.  But this concept of high frequency oscillations is in conflict with Edwin's statement that the magnetic field is oriented 360 degrees.  Even John Bedini shows the North pole field on the side of the coil, rather than one end.  This kind of field can only be produced by unidirectional positive pulses.

@Gustav: If Gray used a vacuum tube for his diode, my question is if this can act as a zener?
Tube can have an avalanche effect , in the region of
maximim breckdown limits.

also gas filled  aswell mercury-vapor filed diodes , even tyratron (like tyrisors or scr) , hae this
effect.

This info will help you

ustav

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Re: Finalizing Ed Gray's System Build
« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2010, 11:46:04 PM »
Tube can have an avalanche effect , in the region of
maximim breckdown limits.

also gas filled  aswell mercury-vapor filed diodes , even tyratron (like tyrisors or scr) , hae this
effect.

This info will help you

ustav
I agree there can be an avalanche effect - inside the motor itself as the static is stretched across the plastic.  An avalanche here would increase the "recovery" energy.  Any electron cascade within the Tube would require electrons to be emitted from the positive rod.

Here's what Edwin says (Patent #4661747, coulmn 3, lines 54 to 58}:
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In this invention, a high-voltage, high-current, short duration energy pulse is applied to the inductive load by the conversion element.  This element makes possible the use of certain of that energy impressed within an arc across a spark gap

The certain energy he's talking about is the static from the capacitor, as this energy expands around the arc to touch the end of the grid.  Shorting the grid to the HV anode.

Also (column 4, lines 39 to 41):
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The energy content of the high energy pulse is electrostatically coupled to the conversion grids 34 of the conversion element.

The energy of the pulse is connected to the grid through the electrostatic sheath around the spark.  This energy is stored on the grid momentarily, then transferred to the load.  The amount of energy in the pulse depends on how long the grid is shorted to the rod, before the vacuum tube switch is turned off.  Seems simple enough to me.

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Re: Finalizing Ed Gray's System Build
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Re: Finalizing Ed Gray's System Build
« Reply #35 on: September 18, 2010, 12:42:15 AM »
Tube can have an avalanche effect , in the region of
maximim breckdown limits.

also gas filled  aswell mercury-vapor filed diodes , even tyratron (like tyrisors or scr) , hae this
effect.

This info will help you

ustav
I agree with the importance of including gas in the Conversion Tube, but not because of a potential avalanche effect.  I'm not convinced this effect is part of the operation.  However, there is an issue associated with my Puff Spark which needs to be overcome.  This spark is bi-phasic, which makes it a type of ionizing radiation.  It ionizes the electrodes, coloring the spark.  But it also breaks the carbon out of the atmospheric gas, covering the inside of the grid with soot.  And the electrodes, for some distance.  So I plan to use a pure gas inside the next Tube I build, to exclude the CO2.  I've got oxygen on hand so I'll try that first.  I also have helium, so I may try that at some point.  And I'd like to get some nitrogen if my budget ever comes back.  As it is, if I don't exclude the CO2 the Tube has to be cleaned fairly quickly, even with limited usage just for tests.

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Re: Finalizing Ed Gray's System Build
« Reply #36 on: September 29, 2010, 09:29:50 PM »
Inside Gay tube was inert gas, probably Argon.The normalize and spread effect because inert gas is a good conductor of radiant energy.

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Re: Finalizing Ed Gray's System Build
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