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Author Topic: Splitting The Positive  (Read 12852 times)

Offline Jerry Volland

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Splitting The Positive
« on: September 15, 2010, 06:54:46 PM »
History has it that the Ingenious Mr. Gray learned how to split the positive in 1958.  This phrase means just what it says: positive potential is split so that it travels through two different branches of a circuit.  In order to do this, Gray used a special home made wire wound resister which was a bifilar inductor.  (Shown connected to the battery on the left in the first attached image.)

The two wires coming off the bottom left of this resister go to the popping coils at the left end of the bench.  (Shown in the second attached image.)

And the last image shows a unit I made.

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Splitting The Positive
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Re: Splitting The Positive
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2010, 10:54:28 PM »

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Offline Jerry Volland

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Re: Splitting The Positive
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2010, 12:52:01 AM »
MasterPlaster,

I haven't done any experiments yet, except to show some longitudinal sparks which have two positive polarities.

Thanks for the link, but isn't it theoretical?

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Re: Splitting The Positive
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2010, 09:37:04 PM »
The two pictures I just posted in my last message show pairs of sparks which are entwined.  The potentials which produced these sparks are in the same direction, but out of phase by 180 degrees.  The effect is the result of sparks down inside the aperture which have bidirectional potentials.  These potentials occur in the spark which is produced by my Ed Gray Test Circuit, in which the potential from a capacitor moves through the arc in one direction while the potential from the inductor's CEMF travels through the arc in the opposite direction.  When these bidirectional potentials are pulled out of the arc by the gradient field produced by the shape of the aperture, they then move in the same direction.  And Dr. Tesla pointed out that two out of phase potentials moving in the same direction produce a longitudinal energy.

If these longitudinal potentials intercept a conductor - such as a grid - they will still move in the same direction.  In this sense, Gray's Conversion Tube, IF it uses a Puff Spark, would convert bidirectional energy into longitudinal energy.  Then it would only be a matter of splitting the two positive potentials and sending each through its own coil.  That would make the motor equivalent to a two phase system.  Using a Puff Spark requires only that an inductor be placed in series with the Tube, something which in itself would not invalidate the patent.  This is the effect I've shown in my Coil Popping video.  I placed the Tube inside this extra inductor, for magnetic quenching of the arc.  (Which did make a difference.)  The grid was then connected to the two coils, in series.  I'll have to repeat this experiment with my new bifilar inductive resister, with the coils in parallel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwoxAdJtUdc


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Re: Splitting The Positive
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2010, 02:37:19 AM »
The two pictures I just posted in my last message show pairs of sparks which are entwined.  The potentials which produced these sparks are in the same direction, but out of phase by 180 degrees.  The effect is the result of sparks down inside the aperture which have bidirectional potentials.  These potentials occur in the spark which is produced by my Ed Gray Test Circuit, in which the potential from a capacitor moves through the arc in one direction while the potential from the inductor's CEMF travels through the arc in the opposite direction.  When these bidirectional potentials are pulled out of the arc by the gradient field produced by the shape of the aperture, they then move in the same direction.  And Dr. Tesla pointed out that two out of phase potentials moving in the same direction produce a longitudinal energy.

If these longitudinal potentials intercept a conductor - such as a grid - they will still move in the same direction.  In this sense, Gray's Conversion Tube, IF it uses a Puff Spark, would convert bidirectional energy into longitudinal energy.  Then it would only be a matter of splitting the two positive potentials and sending each through its own coil.  That would make the motor equivalent to a two phase system.  Using a Puff Spark requires only that an inductor be placed in series with the Tube, something which in itself would not invalidate the patent.  This is the effect I've shown in my Coil Popping video.  I placed the Tube inside this extra inductor, for magnetic quenching of the arc.  (Which did make a difference.)  The grid was then connected to the two coils, in series.  I'll have to repeat this experiment with my new bifilar inductive resister, with the coils in parallel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwoxAdJtUdc
Looking at Gray's schematic again, I see there is an inductor in series with the system capacitor #16.  This inductor is the field coil of the vibrator.  As long as the vibrator is wired up so that the field coil is connected while the transformer's spark has the polarity to pass through the 'one way energy path' diode, the spark between the rods in the Conversion Tube will be a Puff Spark.  This type of spark has bi-directional potentials, one from the capacitor and one from the field coil inductor's CEMF.  When the Puff Spark touches the grid, these bi-directional potentials then move in the same direction to the load.  So the grids convert the bi-directional potentials into a unidirectional longitudinal energy.  The recovery capacitor #38 does not power the motor.

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Re: Splitting The Positive
« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2010, 02:37:19 AM »
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Offline Jerry Volland

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Re: Splitting The Positive
« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2010, 04:00:03 AM »
Here's a more accurate circuit, complete with my copyright - in case someone at Energetic Forum decides to add one more "obvious" component from Gray's patent, copyright that circuit, and use it to prevent me from discussing that addition relative to my own research, as has been the case in the past.

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Re: Splitting The Positive
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2010, 05:12:06 AM »
After agents from the Federal Government seized the Black Boxes, Gray was forbidden to replicate the original technology.  However, he knew what the effect was and hired a variety of workers to help find an alternate way to produce it.  I'll point out why the circuit shown in the patent doesn't operate in the same way, but Gray plainly states in his last two patents that variations of the circuit might be used and still fall within the scope and intent of the claims.  I've also discovered one of these variations.

One thing I've found while working with my Ed Gray Test Circuit is that the Plasmoid effect I call a Puff Spark will appear across multiple arcs placed in series.  This Plasmoid effect is NOT the same thing as the plasma spark produced by an ignition coil circuit.  The bidirectional potentials which give the spark surface tension and make it opaque also make it hot, and an ionizing type of energy.  The fact that it is hot and does ionize the electrodes is what also would make it erode the electrodes of the interrupter, if the effect were allowed to occur.  This is what Gray was referring to when he stated that the blocking diode prevents this erosion.  Unfortunately the diode also prevents the Puff Spark effect itself, by blocking one of the bidirectional potentials - the one which would otherwise come from the inductor's CEMF.

Luckily for me, I've discovered a circuit which produces a slight variation of the effect.  With this circuit, there is a long, skinny blue spark, with the Plasmoid only on one end - by the positive electrode.  So THIS spark can be divided across two shorter gaps, with the effect occurring only across the gap within the Conversion Tube, but not across the gap in the interrupter.  So there's still a bidirectional potential emitting the radial longitudinal biphasic energy to the grids, but without any erosion of the interrupter points.

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Re: Splitting The Positive
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2010, 08:30:54 PM »
The term 'Splitting the Positive' is spoken in a lot of forums, I think everyone has been wrong so far. Marvin Cole is the originator of the Gray motor. It is understood that Gray did not know what Splitting the positive means, thus the Gray Tube was invented. Original motor did not have a 'Tube' per say. Arc's where in the motor.

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Re: Splitting The Positive
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2010, 04:26:12 AM »
The term 'Splitting the Positive' is spoken in a lot of forums, I think everyone has been wrong so far. Marvin Cole is the originator of the Gray motor. It is understood that Gray did not know what Splitting the positive means, thus the Gray Tube was invented. Original motor did not have a 'Tube' per say. Arc's where in the motor.

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Core

If you're wanting to replicate the technology it would be a mistake to disregard statements attributed to Gray.  No one has ever said that Cole understood lightning, was fascinated by radar, or knew the advantages and applications of a delay line.  Cole was a mechanical engineer.  How many of the miracle million dollar cutting edge electrical inventions on the table with Bing Crosby's accountants did he invent?  If Gray didn't know anything, how was he able to advance the technology, including his eventual 1,000 Hp White Motor?  I think there WERE original CSETs, in the Black Boxes, represented by the power supply in Gray's first patent.  The Internet has a lot of disinformation, perhaps designed to minimize clues.

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Re: Splitting The Positive
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2010, 04:26:28 PM »
Well I wouldn't say the Tubes were in the Black Boxes themselves.  Looking at that picture I can see two short square cases which are just the right size to carry a Tube with multiple, thick grids.

Who's getting credit on all these forums for putting the delay line around the plastic tube, for increased efficiency with the repulsion demo's?  And did Gray build the Electrostatic Generator or is that something else Cole supposedly discovered?

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Offline Jerry Volland

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Re: Splitting The Positive
« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2010, 07:59:55 PM »
I finally figuered out an experiment I could do with my new Bifilar Inductive Resistor, which matches Gray's component.  It occurred to me that if there is a time varying potential across the component on one side, there might be a potential difference induced across the other side.  So I wired it up so that one side is in series with a home made nano Farad range capacitor.  After a few experiments I finally got a little spark across the inductively coupled side.  This only happened when I accidentally jostled everything around so that the diode's input wire sparked to the nearby ground wire, from the transformer's center tap.  So I put a spark gap at that point and set it so that it will only spark when the interrupter is operating.  And there has to be an interrupter, since the output spark doesn't appear with just a regular spark gap at the bottom.  So now I'm getting a consistent operation.

It seems likely that the energy in the output spark will be greater if there's a more pronounced potential difference across the component, such as there would be if the input were a stair step waveform.  Or even the top half of a sine wave.  With this component the output is relative to the same potential at a different point in time.  This may be the reason Gray called his system "Electro Magnetic Association".  Power is derived when the Positive associates with itself.

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Re: Splitting The Positive
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2010, 09:11:13 PM »
I tore my setup down and did a different experiment.  Then I set up the special resistor circuit again, after checking for any arc trails that would indicate it might be shorting across the windings, although I haven't seen any arcing.  And the effect still works, which means it's replicable.  The spark I'm getting is only around 1/8" but it's white and looks intense.  I still have experiments to do with a car battery added to the circuit, to see if that adds energy to the spark.

I think one of these 'isolation' winding resistors is in the box Gray had with the three outlets.  This box was apparently one of his key components, or it wouldn't have been on the original display desk.  Here's a picture with it powering the underwater light bulb:


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Re: Splitting The Positive
« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2010, 08:56:07 PM »
I've been characterizing the operation of my bifilar resister and it seems the coupling between the two windings is based on a weak corona discharge from the primary winding.  I did a test with the resister in parallel with the capacitor, which caused the arc to make a loud high pitched screaming sound.  Then when I took the jumper wire across the other winding I got a strong output spark, but I also observed an arc on the resister, at the edge, between the last two turns.  So I gave the resister a heavy coat of super glue on all sides and especially the edges.  This apparently minimized the corona because when I set up the main circuit again I only got a very weak output spark, although it's still white.  Of course this doesn't mean the component won't work with an inductive coupling if the pulse is short enough or has the right waveform. 

Also, looking at the last picture, I can see the wire from the negative battery clamp angling down behind the small Black Box with the diagonal handle, around the left corner of the front battery and into the Box.  The wire from the positive clamp droops down and comes around the front battery just below the white mark, then goes into the Box.  Each of these wires has a clip leading to the outlet box.  So the outlet box is in parallel with the Black Box and the battery.  The outlet box must be getting 12V from the battery, superimposed with a possible inductive kick from some potential vibrator mechanism inside the Black Box.  Any other operation would surely require more wires in a non parallel circuit.

Before I do any more experiments along these lines I'm going to make another component with two separate well insulated layers.

 

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